Let's settle this once and for all. Listen up summerfags. 1plate is 20kg therefore 1/2/3/4 is 20kg overhead press...

you don't add the bar to your lifts btw

You're right, fuck accounting for the total weight of the object you're lifting

If you put 45 pounds on both sides of a bar and put it on a scale how much would it weigh

Why yes OP, I also enjoy pretending to be retarded

No you fucking retards, what if someone can only lift the bar?
Do they just say:
>Yeah dude I can bench 0kg for 10 reps
Protip: they don't.
Some barbells also weight less than the standard 20kg bar. Not only that, but they also count the bar in powerlifting totals and olympic weightlifting.

Are you supposed to count the weight of the bar?

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90 as says

YES

NO

kill yourself

How many reps, faggot?

lifting with a bar dictates what the lift it (it wouldn't be a bench without a bar, not a squat without a bar) so the bar is necessary to start the lift in the first place, you don't add it as weight, lifting with the bar is a +0kg net for the lift.

Like if someone NEVER benched before, you wouldn't say they have 0kg bench, you'd say they have an invalid bench, because they never tried. So if someone benched the bar, they benched 0kg, You don't add the bar, the bar is the starting point +net 0kg

It's sarcasm, the other dude is the one trolling

This is my first time visiting Jow Forums and i cant believe how stupid this thread is

So returning to the starting position from the negative phase with no plates on either side isn't moving weight, roger

This is a fit classic buddy, it will be a reoccurring thread until the end of time

This
People are fucking retarded.
The bar itself weights 20kg, you have to add it up.
2 plates means 2 (20kg/45lbs) on both side yeah.
But 2x2x20+20, that's the real weight.

Just check the world record for deadlift or else, they count the bar

BUT SOME GYMS LITERALLY HAVE BARBELLS THAT WEIGHT 5, 10 OR 15KG'S! IF SOMEONE CAN LIFT 15KG BAR + 40KG DOES HE JUST SAY THAT HE CAN LIFT 40KG?? THAT SHIT DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE FUCK YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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If you are benching the bar, it obviously is weighted, but it DOES NOT count as "Bench Press" weight. Like if I bench air, it is weight, but it counts as 0kg because its not a lift. So since a bench REQUIRES the use of a bar MINIMUM, then the bar is +0kg, even in the "real world" its 20kg, as a "Bench Press" the bar is 0kg and you do not add it

>not including air resistance on your return to the starting position.
ISHYGDDT

>count the bar, don't count the bar
the total weight doesn't change whether you "count" it or not

Post your body

No worries, he's trolling you

No you don't add the bar. Most records don't add the bar, you are most likely reading the plates wrong or not adding the clips. You don't add the bar, it makes no sense to add the bar weight. There is only ever going to be one static bar, you don't add more bars.. you add more weight in pl8s, so you only count pl8 weight... this is a weight lifting not bar lifting

I mean bars are mostly standardized so people can easily find the weight there using (since they don't add the bar it is easy). Just add the pl8's and not the bar, most people do it this way. You do not count the bar

count the bar
count the bar
count the bar

>Most records don't add the bar
than why isn't everyone using plexiglass bars gain an edge?

You're trying way too hard

So let's say i weight 75kg
I want to squat, i put a 20kg bar on my back.
But following your logic the bar is 0kg.
So now i put the bar back on the rack
Tadaaaaa i weight 55kg now

You fucking retard

Don't feed the troll

how reps and sets are you meant to do?

Okay I just realized that this is top tier bait, good job.

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Let me explain this you brainlet. These barbells lifts require a barbell at MINIMUM to be the lifts that they are. A squat isn't a squat without a bar, a bench isn't a bench without a bar. You cannot squat or bench without a bar, using a barbell for those lifts classifies them into either a bench or a squat. So if you squat with the bar, you are using the minimum amount needed, so you add +0kg to your squat... if you squat without a bar you are not squatting..

>44lb OHP
hahahaha are you a fucking woman OP?

Op here. Let me break it down for you idiots. 1 plate = 20kg total weight. For the overhead press you need to lift 20kg TOTAL. Bench press is 2 plate = 40kg TOTAL weight lifted. Squat is 60kg TOTAL & deadlift is 80kg TOTAL weight lifted.

So who's got the actual answer in lbs to what the 1/2/3/4 is I wanna see if i even lift

135/225/315/405

1/2/3/4 is 90lbs ohp, 180lbs bench , 270 squat , 370lbs dead

So wait if I use dumbbells instead of a barbell, and I don't put my plate extension attachment onto my dumbbells, and I leave my plates at home, but I do incline dumbbell plateless, barless bench press, am I even benching?

It's 45/90/135/180 then you minus the bar weight. If you use a 45lb bar it's 0/45/90/795

Just add 45 to each of these and you'll be good

>if after 6 months you can't lift what you could already lift you're a failure

>people seriously can't lift 45lbs over their heads
>people seriously can't bench 88lbs
>people seriously can't squat 132lbs
>people seriously can't deadlift 176lbs

So are you a midget or did you not hit puberty?
Because a normal grown man can do all those things with no training.

You fucking retard, do you actually think that people struggle 6-12 or more months in the gym in order to fucking overhead press the fucking bar? Think about what you're writing you dumbass.
Pic related, it's (You)

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sometimes those deadlifts be hittin doe

The balanced weight negates the weight of the bar and the bar half cancels out half the weights: therefore 1/2/3/4 is 15/30/45/60

>Tfw 3 plate ohp

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>counting the bar

I'm assuming the whole point is to be able to lift/press a total of 1000 lbs. 135+225+315+405 adds to 1080.

>1plate is 20kg
>posts a 45lbs plate

You are correct sir.
It's based on rough estimates for competitive weight lifting. You add up your number and it gives you bragging rights where you can shit talk saying I have 1200 or 1400.

You only count the big 3 towards a 1000lb total

>if you squat without a bar you are not squatting..
Yet you are you autistic mong. Fuck all of you with your gripes about technicalities.
You can communicate better when you account the total weight you are lifting with you hands.
How hard can the be. God. You like arguing about nothing don't you?

If im doing bench press with dumbells,
40kg dumbells in each hand
Do i tell people I can bench 80kg?

Thus thread proves the main rule:
>DON'T EVER TRUST Jow Forums
This is a meme and troll board for gym related stuff, that's it.

Squatting without a bar sure is a squat, but its not a Weighted weightlifting "squat", I can bench without a bar but i am not officially benching. Don't add the bar.

40kg in each hand i will accept u saying you have a 80kg bench yes

You are correct. Op described my starting weights

That's a 70kg bench. 40kg each hand minus 5kg each bar = 70kg or 3.5pl8.

But I can be adjusted to more due to stabilizers being stronger thus maybe 78 but then you remove the bar and it’s closer to 60

Just count the weight in plates not kg
Burger plates are slightly heavier but it saves me a lot of hassle when moving back and forth

I'm at 15 on each side.
Last last week I was at ten
Last last last week I was at the bar

When will I be able to join the 1/2/3/4 movement?

When you can lift 20kg/40kg/60kg/80kg

1pl8 ohp, 80kg bench, 2pl8 squat, 3pl8 deadlift. how did i do?

Yes.
People seem to be confused, the plates are what you don't count

>all the brainlets taking multiple baits in one thread

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>I always thought it was 40 OHP, 80 bench, 120 squat and 160 DL

Been training for 4 years and I always wondered why this shit was supposed to be a benchmark for beginers, kek.

Holy crap does the bar count!? Why do they count it as weight in the olympics, but fit thinks it has antigravity properties? Someone explain.

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T-the people taking this bait are just shitposting, r-right?

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>falling for memes
wether you count the bar or not, as long as you have a 20kg/45lbs plate on each side of the bar = 1pl8

>mfw

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>Picking the lighter weight.
Pls.

>olympics
>Canadian moose hunting forum
I wonder which one is correct

Do you count your clothes when you weigh yourself? Idiot.

...yes?
if I'm wearing clothes when I weigh myself, why wouldn't i

THATS 1/2/3/4!?

SWEET FUCK

How do you people achieve the aesthetics builds you have with just 1/2/3/4, I passed that shit a year ago and am WAY further in and I barely look like a lift at all

It really is genetics, holy shit

I always take off my clothes, put them on the scale, zero it out, put on my clothes, then weigh myself with them on

Retard

I do this too sometimes.

it'ss a beginners metric, and people surpass it, hence the better bodies
also do you train hypertrophy, strength, or endurance

just weigh yourself while you have no clothes one.

Strength, it was baity desu cause I know why I look like bad, I can't cut for shit. No excuses, I'm just shit at keeping my hand away from the cookie jar

150kg deads this month tho so these hips are staying till I'm huge

>falling for bait like everyone else in this thread
the summer is real

>being so new he thinks people playing along with the joke is newfag
>accidentally outing yourself as the real summer

>falling for the super triple double mega reverse bait

Yes and No.

If you are tracking training then you tend to just track the added weight to the bar, ignoring the bar weight.

If you are doing competition then you count the bar.

If you are assessing 1RM you can do both, as depending on your training method you can do lifting 50 to 80 percent of your 1RM.

So ignoring bar weight at say 100kg (total weight) and training at 80% would mean training at 84kg, including the bar weight under the same circumstances would mean training at 80kg.

good, for a 130lbs woman.

t. insecure dyel who counts the bar

the bar removes half of the plates when converting to pl8s
for example: overhead press with two plates (one plate on each side) + bar = 1pl8
bench with four plates: bar removes 50%, we call it 2pl8
etc.

This.
Plates come in pairs that add up to the label number.
i.e. 1pl8 is 20kg bar + 2*20kg plates (10kg each) = 40kg
The plates are labeled 20kg, but that means they add up to 20kg when counted *together*.
When counted *alone* a 20kg plate is just 10kg each.

1/2/3/4 is a common goal for Jow Forumsizens to aim towards, regarding 4 of the big compound barbell lifts.

The 4 lifts are...

THE PRESS®™ 3.0
BENCH PRESS
SQUAT
DEADLIFT

1/2/3/4 is sometimes referred to as 1pl8 2pl8 3pl8 4pl8.

To lift 1pl8, you put 1 plate on each side of the bar.
To lift 2pl8, you put 2 plates on each side of the bar.
To lift 3pl8, you put 3 plates on each side of the bar.
To lift 4pl8, you put 4 plates on each side of the bar.

Therefore you are actually lifting...
2 plates + bar, when you lift 1pl8
4 plates + bar, when you lift 2pl8
6 plates + bar, when you lift 3pl8
8 plates + bar, when you lift 4pl8

A plate is a large single disk of weight that is placed onto the bar before lifting.

The weight of a single plate is as follows...
20kg for Europeans.
45lbs for Americans.

European 1/2/3/4.

1pl8 overhead press = 60kg.
20kg bar + 1 x 20kg plate on each side.

2pl8 bench press = 100kg.
20kg bar + 2 x 20kg plates on each side.

3pl8 squat = 140kg.
20kg bar + 3 x 20kg plates on each side.

4pl8 deadlift = 180kg.
20kg bar + 4 x 20kg plates on each side.

American 1/2/3/4.

1pl8 overhead press = 135lbs.
45lb bar + 1 x 45lb plate on each side.

2pl8 bench press = 225lbs.
45lb bar + 2 x 45lb plates on each side.

3pl8 squat = 315lbs.
45lb bar + 3 x 45lb plates on each side.

4pl8 deadlift = 405lbs.
45lb bar + 4 x 45lb plates on each side.

Converting the European kg into lb shows that Americans have to lift more to reach 1/2/3/4.

American | European
1pl8) 135lbs | 132.277lbs
2pl8) 225lbs | 220.462lbs
3pl8) 315lbs | 308.647lbs
4pl8) 405lbs | 396.832lbs

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This is a joke I'm 510 wristlet and I could lift that after a month. Guess manual labour makes YOU STRONG!

NEW FAGS LISTEN THIS IS THE CORRECT MEASUREMENT

this is still wrong because you should count the bar