Am i onto something

Yeah you're right, it's the shadow, not the collective unconscious. I do think there is such a thing as a collective subconscious, which is what i think would be the collective shadow if there such a thing.

> I guess we just have to pick up where the great ones left of, but there's so many bullshit distractions in the modern world.
Do you think there might still be stuff left to find out? It seems like Jung has already discovered most of what is to discover.
And yeah. There is a lot to occupy yourself with these days so most people are not really interested in these things. Though as a consolation for those who are, it's much easier to find information and material

Yeah, but those get discussed here as well, so you get a peek at those as well. My belief is that most people on the -darker corners- are also on Jow Forums. Jow Forums seems so far to be the "full experience". Though i'm sure there are some corners dark enough to not even be seen here

You're freaking me out dude, you just described me almost to a T. I lift and consider myself masculine, but I definitely don't shy away from feminine things either.

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For scientific purposes you should try browsing crystal (dot) cafe to see females interacting without male influence, etc.
Then if you can stand it try lolcow.
You'll be apalled at the sheer vehemance and virtriol females are capable of.

The archetype doesn't work if you look at "feminine" as a societal concept rather than a hard natural law.

The description's accurate but what can I do about it?

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they have a literal fetish for irony and get off to the idea of someone fucking them up the ass, but it not being "gay".

No those are just traps/fags. They may not even be distinctly feminine, in the case of most of them the act of femininity is to gain the attention of men. Some of the others are agp traps who actually get off on being feminine and the men are just there to complete the fantasy. While they're closer to what i'm describing here they're still far off. They actually like being that way and carry it out irl with no shame. What you're describing is just a way for them to piss off people, they're fully aware ot what they're doing.

The group i'm describing is just feminine. They're usually straight, they just have a stronger feminine side while still being primarily masculine. What is interesting is how its always accompanied by the type of autism you see in outcast guys here.

>Do you think there might still be stuff left to find out? It seems like Jung has already discovered most of what is to discover.
I'm barely beggining to explore the ideas of jung, but at least if you are already a jung scholar, which would probably take a lifetime, he also points to a lot of other interesting stuff e.i Ancient myths aka symbols aka the language of the unconscious.

user I would recommend you to keep a dream journal and try to get familiar with the language of the unconscious to better the individuation process, we might be the Jungs of tomorrow.

>And yeah. There is a lot to occupy yourself with these days so most people are not really interested in these things. Though as a consolation for those
who are, it's much easier to find information and material

We are exposed to a stream of bullshit everyday. I guess we just have to learn to balance the bullshit with more important stuff.

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Why would you want to do something about it?

Maybe I wouldn't feel depressed and isolated all the time

This describes me to a T
It would also explain the prevalence of pedos on Jow Forums and similar imageboards too since according to a study I read most pedos have both masculine and feminine tendencies but are not like traditional faggots.

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Feminine in what way?
Can you be a bit more specific. I think I know what you mean but I want to be sure Im not understanding you wrong.

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That... doesn't make me feel too good.

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Well I'm autistic and probably fit in with your observations.

Theres nothing wrong with enjoying the little things

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Well in the most obvious way it would be an attraction towards girly stuff and wanting to feel pretty and graceful if you will. Not in an obscene and expressive way like trannies, but in a more modest and traditionally/normally girly way. In a deeper sense its being more empathetic, emotional, intuitive and introspective. It's hard to explain but it's archetypical femininity, the best way i could describe it is a stronger anima (google it).

I think thats a different issue altogether. There may be some correlation but the cause is different.

>Well in the most obvious way it would be an attraction towards girly stuff and wanting to feel pretty and graceful if you will. Not in an obscene and expressive way like trannies, but in a more modest and traditionally/normally girly way.
Actually scrap this part. Some may have this but most don't

>In a deeper sense its being more empathetic, emotional, intuitive and introspective. It's hard to explain but it's archetypical femininity, the best way i could describe it is a stronger anima (google it).
This is the more important part

holy canoodles thank you so much for showing this.
I'm a femanon came into this thread bc i thought half of the guys here are actually the same but flipped, autistic girls larping as gay traps. I'm kind of shocked that people replying are unironically saying they fit this model. I 100% genuinely thought half of us were larping femanons.

That's literally what he said.
I won't lie to myself and say I don't enjoy the 2D lolis, but your statement makes some pretty troubling implications.

I completely agree with that assessment.

>I'm a femanon came into this thread bc i thought half of the guys here are actually the same but flipped, autistic girls larping as gay traps. I'm kind of shocked that people replying are unironically saying they fit this model. I 100% genuinely thought half of us were larping femanons.
Why did you think that? Explain

>lolcow
what kind of person actively seeks out people to gossip about
that site isn't shocking, just nauseating

You can change the depression but i think you'll always find isolated amongst normies. This type of person seems to be almost exclusive to Jow Forums and other loser communities. There is just too much difference between you and normie men

Makes sense. Is there a difference between anima posession and having a strong anima. And is autogynephilia caused by this sort of archetype as well?

>Ancient myths aka symbols aka the language of the unconscious.
Are you suggesting there are still more to discover?

>user I would recommend you to keep a dream journal and try to get familiar with the language of the unconscious to better the individuation process,
How do i do that?

>we might be the Jungs of tomorrow.
Kek, i hope so.

>We are exposed to a stream of bullshit everyday. I guess we just have to learn to balance the bullshit with more important stuff.
Look at it this way, all that stuff is information. Just as we can use the internet to observe symbols, so can we use any information

Dont be concerned. I have it under control Its not illegal if it stays in the realm of fantasy.

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>Is there a difference between anima posession and having a strong anima. >And is autogynephilia caused by this sort of archetype as well?
I believe full on AGP to the point it starts affecting your daily life and your personality would be anima possession. I don't think there is necessarily a connection between agp and this besides the obvious. Obviously if you have a stronger anima you'll be more prone to anima possession but the actual cause of anima possession seems to be different.

I have pretty much given up on befriending normies. All my friends are either cyborgs robots or at least kind of beta failed normies. I find I get along with people on the spectrum really well but Im pretty high functioning as it is.

>I believe full on AGP to the point it starts affecting your daily life and your personality would be anima possession.
To clarify, as in when you want to become a trap because of it it's probably anima possession

No but I want to fuck a trap and suck her feminine penis.

But I have no interest in men or in being a trap myself.

I couldn't imagine it would ever come to that. It's just that within the context of the thread, I worry what the implications of how much I match OP's model are.

Any Jung quotes on this subject?

Read up on the anima in men. Anima possession is also related. I don't think Jung himself ever encountered someone like this though, or if he did he probably wasn't aware. This seems to be mostly a 21th century thing

Interesting read here innerexplorations.com/psytext/anima.htm

>Traps
>21st century invention
Damn, read something about the history of theatre, especially worldwide.

There are more to be discovered if are talking in terms of the psyche, there might be things which might even be undiscovereable and we can only hope to gain a glimpse of if we are talking about the purest forms of these collective archetypes.

I would recommend to watch the videos on academy of ideas; specifically the ones on Jung.
Or also try to get a book on the general writings of Jung. If you find something that peaks your interest there, then dive in into the source material.

Anyway, best of wishes in your exploration or studies on this type of matter.

This isn't about traps. Read the OP again

>there might be things which might even be undiscovereable and we can only hope to gain a glimpse of if we are talking about the purest forms of these collective archetypes.
Do you have anything specific in mind?

Thanks for the advice btw. If you ever want to talk again and have a discord or something similar, feel free to drop it.

You're just gay then lol
also checked

Well we know there are certain similar symbols that show up in different cultures, but essentially point to the same collective unconscious archetype. So you see we only get an "idea" of the archetype by the different symbols we can observe.
Anyway, I'm 22 and just trying to understand all this on my own. No one seems to be interested in this stuff, unless they are already probably going to school for it.
I tried making a discord the other day, but fucked up the verification process. I might try again, but if you just want to talk about Jung's ideas or related stuff hmu rm618164 at the Gmail for now.

Yeah I know what you mean, the easiest example is body language. The way people like us sit, cross our arms, etc. is often pretty feminine/gay even though we're not homos

Basically boys who got raised by a single mother and learned how to deal with their feminine side but still struggle with forming relationships due to a positive male influence?

Yeah sort of me, I don't mind some masculine shit but I think sports, constant banter and being overly competitive is queer as fuck.

A lot of them could be exactly that, good point. Though i see this amongst guys who weren't raised by single moms as well. There is also another component to it which is the male autism that accompnies it, which i don't think has anything to do with being raised by single moms

Holy shit you just described me

What do you think of autists having hyper-masculinized faces? Is there any way this could factor into the phenomenon?

Honestly I think it's a good thing and it's more to do with society as a whole being hyper masculine. I've really been trying to understand feminism more because I have too many female friends that call themselves feminists but when I state my views they tend to agree with me and say thats why they need feminism which confuses me. I think they're really just jealous that men get to do what they want to do with women around and it's more than just penis envy. Maybe it's just them being Tsundere and they're actually describing what turns them on but somewhere in their brain makes them project it as a bad thing like some kind of weird reverse psychology. What they don't realize is they have the exact same situation where men aren't allowed to show their emotions and any men that do are instantly insulted, belittled and mocked. It's dumb as fuck seriously.

I wouldn't say I am hypermasculine but I do think I have a decent jawline, I just have really sad looking just woken up sort of eyes that make people nervous when I look at them for too long and makes me look sort of creepy but some girls like it, it's weird.

This is pretty interesting user. I've noticed this myself, although I've usually just chalked it up to the sort of guy you find on here being "sensitive" and not "feminine" but there probably is truth in what you say. I often break things down into Aristotelian thinking and Platonic thinking (as wanky as that sounds) with Platonic being more traditionally masculine and Aristotelian being more traditionally feminine and I usually try to account for both in my decision making, which is probably why I have a "sensitive" or "feminine" side.

To be honest your post intrigued me because it describes me to a tee. I like action movies and fps games other things you'd consider traditionally "masculine" but I'm also a sensitive bunny rabbit with anxiety and depression and who wants everybody to be happy. To be honest, as much as I disagree with the whole SJW thing I think that there is a degree of truth in the idea that gender is a spectrum, at least on the basis of somebodies personality. I think that maybe this imageboard by design attracts men who have "feminine" aspects, although I don't think that Moot had that in mind when he made it. It's an interesting idea though user, thanks for sharing.

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What do you mean by feminine side, give us some examples. I see other anons know what are you talking about since they are aware of being closet homos.
>autism hobbies such as technology, science, war, history
>autism hobbies
>technology, science, war, history
Imagine being this KIKED.COM

>Anima possession
Sounds like me if this article is correct (appliedjung.com/anima-possession/).
>Coming back to the Anima, she always attacks the man in his inferior function. So where most men are thinking types, typically, his feelings will be poorly developed and here the Anima takes control. She plays his emotions like a fiddle. He is moody, sulky, throws tantrums and gets really upset. When he has the rare moments of happiness and elation and has a fabulous time, she quickly casts doubt and destroys the experience for him. And naturally, as a consequence, his evaluative ability tends to be poor.
>The danger with Anima possession is when the man takes on an average, reluctant, undifferentiated attitude. His attitude towards risk is to avoid it, because he simply does not believe that anything he undertakes will succeed. This hopelessness opposes the hero within.
Though I think this is just overcomplicating things. A simpler explanation is that people like me are defective and so have personalities that don't function well in the real world.

Daddy issues with lower-middle class men and families; the father is hardworking and around, but never really involved. It's understanding the concept of masculinity, but not understanding how to act masculine.

You might be onto something. I think, however, that Jow Forums is more feminine than most other boards. Female-type autism is possibly more common here as well.

>Female-type autism
Explain

>Though I think this is just overcomplicating things. A simpler explanation is that people like me are defective and so have personalities that don't function well in the real world.
I don't think it is overcomplicating really. It's just answering why

I think it plays a major influence but i don't think it's simply that considering the autism plays another major part in the formation of a person like this. Blacks also have no fathers yet they don't end up like this

>Blacks also have no fathers yet they don't end up like this
If I was to go by niche groups of father based autism, then wouldn't the lack of a father figure entirely lead to the "you/a man's gotta do what you/a man's gotta do" mentality that comes along as some part of the reasoning for joining a gang young?

being a trap isn't gay, liking them is

Core symptoms of autism appear less severe in female than male autism. However, other things such as sensitivity to environment seem to be higher in female autism. Also, signs of BPD are more common.

I think these are some of the differences between the autisms:
Male
>can't really cope in social situations except by avoiding them, higher-functioning individuals also use memorizing and scripting (planning in advance what to say and when)
>intense and unusual special interests
>restricted and repetitive behaviors
>few if any friends, social relationships tend to be short-lived
>usually cisgender and heterosexual
>males at least try to be gender-conforming
>typically STEM or NEET
>low digit ratio
Female:
>multiple ways to cope in social situations: memorizing, scripting, copying, avoiding, getting someone to orotect/support/guide
>special interests are intense but not that unusual
>fewer restricted and repetitive behaviors than in male autism
>1-3 very close friends at least in childhood and adolescence
>often non-cisgender and non-heterosexual
>most are gender-noncomforming, especially males, but a minority of women are hyperfeminine
>typically artist or in a helping profession
>high digit ratio
By the way, I'm not a doctor. Most of these are just things I've picked up from media (mostly internet).

As a buddhist I think there are people who seek balance by finding a person of the opposite gender and people who seek balance by developing qualities of both genders inside themselves. Like internal sexual balance vs external sexual balance. Internal might be more reliable but also harder to obtain.

Yes they also tend not to be able to control their emotions and be literally governed by their feelings. Hence the autistic screeching. They're basically the other flip of the coin of females that have a conflicting relationship with their animus. It's no coincidence that autistic screeching and being trigerred is so similar in manneer.

Not necessarily so. Men with a stronger anima are indeed the flip side of women with a stronger animus, but the way that works is that the man is more quiet and contemplative. I guess when they do sperg out it would be autistic screeching but it's not the defining characteristic. The autistic screeching seems to actually be a feature of the weaker animus in such a male.

i don't understand what your saying can somebody sum it up

Holy shit, being an introvert is now autism
Guess that makes sense, blasting gucci gang while injecting heroin into my arm and fingering my boyfriend's pussy is the new norm

I fit this archetype very well. I think some early examples are James Dean and Morrissey, they both look masculine but have more of a feminine side in their behavior.

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What if you somewhat behave in a feminine way and look slightly masculine?

That's more or less what he is saying lol

>tfw fit that to a t
>always have been self aware enough to recognize my personality as a typical stacy: robot version
Damn, what's happening here?

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>typical stacy: robot version
What did he mean with this

ONLY
IF
YOU
ARE
A
TRAP
YOURSELF

hmm... I always thought
1. Feminism/tumblrism = daddy issues (+ high prenatal T)
AND
2. Robotism/incelism = mommy issues (+low prenatal T)

There was something feminine about Moot, although I'm not sure what exactly. Facial features? Wishing to be the little girl? Interest in cute anime and manga?

>What did he mean with this
That many stereotypes of stacy apply to me, and I mean the many
I've always been bitchy

Thanks for pointing out the obvious? You're not on to something because this has been prevalent and obvious since day one

This is what I see myself as (not OP):
>physically and personality wise mostly masculine
When people see me, they assume I'm a guy, although I don't look that masculine. There are many female things in my body such as high digit ratio. Internet tests say my personality is neither masculine nor feminine. I myself think my personality is more feminine than masculine. Some people assume from my online posts that I'm a girl.
>much more pronounced feminine side
Yes, it's much more pronounced than in guys in general.
>meme autism or actually on the spectrum
I'm professionally diagnosed to be on the high-functioning end of the spectrum, but I believe there was a mistake and I should've been placed somewhere lower. Perhaps my autism wasn't obvious enough, as is often the case with female autism.
>masculine but autism hobbies
Yes, but they have been more socially acceptable than in typical (male) autism.
>social outcast virgin, no friends
True, "no friends" part especially so since my early 20s.
>dislike faggy side
I'm actually okay with and kind of like it. In fact, I wish I looked cuter and maybe more feminine (but not necessarily like a girl) and also that other people accepted it.
>don't align with the lgbt sjw axis
This is another point which sets me apart from most other robots. I identify as mostly asexual and somewhere between cis and trans. I also think about privilege a lot.
>identify with masculine ideals
I'm not sure about this.
>higher IQ
Probably (or maybe I'm just good at faking it outside Jow Forums.
>typical male type autism
Typical FEMALE-type autism in my case.
>balanced gender identity
I identify as 45...65% male 35...55% female.

>That many stereotypes of stacy apply to me
Can you list some or explain further?

Autism primarily hits males.

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Saged. You literally just highlighted some incredibly common non-specific characteristics.
Fpbp

Why do you want to know?
I'm paranoid that you might "know" me

I fit your archetype perfectly.
FeelsConfusedMan

I don't know you lol. I'm just curious as to what you exactly mean and want to know more. I just want to know more basically, elaborate however you like

I'm an attention whore, shallow feelings too, seeing as I fake a lot of reactions just to draw attention to me
Catty even, as I used to gossip around just to make a shitshow
>one of my hobbies is getting trips and going around the site shitting generals
Bipolar
Whiny
I suffer from a self centered view of the world a lot, sometimes even solipsism
There are other things vut I dont know how I can say them

*but
Sorry phoneposting

Damn. How did you even end up here? You don't seem socially impaired just emotionally turbulent
>There are other things vut I dont know how I can say them
Just say it the best you can, i'll understand

ur definitely onto something
it fit me way too well

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>How did you even end up here?
It's no mystery, as I fit a lot ofrobot traits too, its in my nature to be a loner.
>Just say it the best you can, i'll understand
I take it you're OP, i'm better with questions

Holy shit dude I think you are describing me perfectly. I am autistic in the sense I suck at talking to people, but i do have irl guy freinds. I skipped the 2 last years of high school to become a CS major. I know what you are talking about the feminine side and I hate it and I hate sjws

And is this a surprise to you? Most people around here have a problem/deviance with their personality which they can't accept, call it autism, being a faggot, whatever. Irl they might conceal it or just avoid socialising altogether. Which is why they are here, because they seek anonymity, they don't want people to see this part of themselves but it still IS a part of themselves. Kinda sad when you think about it they'd rather be no one than themselves in front of people.
While we're at butchering Jung, didn't he say that you should accept this part of yourself, otherwise you will always be a fuckwit and that is the difference between good men and bad? To transcend good and bad in you, understand what is what and why it is inside there and truly become You.

Boy oh boy of course there is still stuff to discover. There are so many elements that form You that no one could ever describe and understand it in their entire lifetime. Jung did go inside but you'd have to spend eternity if you wanted to discover it all since You is formed out of every man and women's life full of experiences prior to you and maybe even much more. Especially nowadays, when you encounter so much shit, your You is made out of all kinds of cultures, mythologies, histories, mysticism, so so SO much.

>It's no mystery, as I fit a lot ofrobot traits too, its in my nature to be a loner.
Like which ones? I'd guess the interest in autistic stuff, but i'm assuming you're socially adept since you basically described a manipulative personality and manipulating requires you to be able to understand people.

>I take it you're OP, i'm better with questions
Not OP but honestly i'm not looking for something in specific, i just want to know more whatever that may be. It doesn't really matter if you explain it in a shitty way, it's better than nothing.

the amount of replies in fembot and orbit threads tell me that none of you are masculine at all.