How do feminists and empowered modern women deal with the fact that female sexuality is the antithesis to female...

How is other people enforcing rules on your sexuality (autistic or otherwise) emancipation? Emancipation means being free to live the life you want to.

See NO ONE gets to just "live life the way they want to".

this. i personally know a girl who is a full-time stripper, but also VERY vocal about being a feminist and how stripping is "empowering".

like alright bitch wow youre so empowered. now here's $20 to dry hump this married man 40 years older than you.

I'm not arguing with you, but more saying it in general because it's a horridly unpopular fact.

The truth though, about feminists, is if they want to be be taken seriously then they need to drop their socialized displays of "weakness" and submissive behaviour and start using their brains to think logically rather than to manipulate or attempt to climb the social ladder to achieve status.

The problem with the modern feminist movement is that they still try to fit into vain and outdated female gender roles and think that they can organize an actual uprising and liberation of women around the world while still maintaining an American culture-based social hierarchy within their ranks.
"Why should we listen to Gertrude's ideas? She's so ugly, and her husband doesn't even make over $XXk per annum! As if!"

Make war like you mean it.

yeah but thats MY CHOICE that im free to make

I am too dumb for this intellectual conversation. I am tapping out.

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Yup, I don't get why they don't see it.
And we're all free to not respect you and not take you or feminists seriously so long as you try to posit that it's okay, and think less of women for it.
If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop the submission.

>OP believes that consensual roleplay and real life abuse are the same thing

no wonder you are a virgin

>moron thinks you can separate the bedroom and the rest of the life
The personal is political. And no, I'm not a virgin.

>moron believes you can't
stay virgin

You can't, that's why it's such a big argument in the movement. You literally can't.
Not a virgin either.

if im CHOOSING to do that then its not submission you fucking virgin

You literally can, all it takes is not being a virgin with no experience like yourself

You are choosing to submit and put yourself in an inferior position based on your sex with respect to a man. That is not feminist no matter how much you cry that it is.
Im not a virgin. Try again.

>virgin
>virgin
>virgin

Not an argument

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Nope. You can't. I thought like you until I actually became sexually active and started reading feminist theory. This argument will continue within the feminist movement and society at large. Stay mad.

Imagine being such a virgin that you believe that just because a woman has sex then it means she must become a second class citizen irl

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>You can't
spoken like a true virgin

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Imagine being such a virgin that you think there is no way to have sex without power dynamics, especially based on the sex of the people.
Gender based BDSM is anti feminist.

>guise I SWEAR i am NOT a virgin
textbook virgin response

lol it's obvious now you don't have anything. Don't argue with me though, this is a huge argument within the feminist movement, you need to bring it up with them.

a stripper's worth is 100% dependent on whether or not she is sexually appealing to a man.

it doesnt matter if shes happy.
it doesnt matter if she thinks shes pretty
it doesnt matter how she feels about the "customer"

what does matter is whether or not brad likes the way she wags her pussy in his face

imagine being such a virgin that you believe a simulation is the same as the real

an actor that gets killed in a movie actually dies irl according to this virgin

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>it's obvious now you don't have anything.
I am a sexologist

>feminist movement
the feminist movement is irrelevant tho

go ahead, try to explain how female sexuality is inherently submissive

Posting a Classico.
This one comes with normanbook coments for shock value.

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what do you think about fat girls camming for money though?? still a choice.

You literally haven't said anything but "you're a virgin".
This isn't just my opinion, this is probably the biggest argument within the feminist movement itself because of the problem that it poses.
The reality is women can not at the same time as a sex class be submissive to men sexually while also being equal to men politically. It is inherently dichotomous.
You sound truly stupid now. I'm arguing FROM a feminist position, I'm not right politically. It's obvious you aren't educated in these things though.
>i'm a sexologist
so you should know better.
>the feminist movement is irrelevant tho
No it isn't, either way what we're talking about is clear.
I don't believe
>go ahead, try to explain how female sexuality is inherently submissive
Never said it was INHERENTLY submissive, but how it works now it is. Women cant ubiquitously cry for daddy to choke them while also being respected as equal to men politically.

only a virgin would think that having sex makes you submissive

No one said "having sex makes you submissive".
Are you all trolling or are you all legitimately stupid human beings?

that's because you sound like the typical virgin

>feminist movement
irrelevant lol

>The reality is women can not at the same time as a sex class be submissive to men sexually while also being equal to men politically. It is inherently dichotomous.
spoken like a true virgin

>I'm arguing FROM a feminist position,
which is incorrect

>No it isn't, either way what we're talking about is clear.
lol

>Never said it was INHERENTLY submissive
then you have nothing, keep sperging about people having sex tho, virgin

>Women cant ubiquitously cry for daddy to choke them while also being respected as equal to men politically.
simulation =/= real

>No one said "having sex makes you submissive".
OP did

>are you all legitimately stupid human beings?
so not only a virgin but also autistic

I'm not sperging out about people having sex, I'm just talking about the reality that gender based BDSM is dichotomous with gender equality. I'm simply making the correct statement that you can't be into gender based BDSM while also being equal. It's not a simulation, it's REAL sex and a real power dynamic. There are ways to have sex without power dynamics like that.
>OP did
It was not stated or implied that it was inherent.
>so not only a virgin but also autistic
Neither.

Yeah mate you've got it right so when I tell you to go fuck yourself, I'm giving you a compliment. When I tell you to get fucked I'm wishing you good tidings.

They don't see it because they don't want to see it.
Climbing the social hierarchy has been the only way to achieve power that was available to women for so long that when little girls observe their mothers and mimic their behaviour and values, this social status seeking behaviour is taught and emulated. This is why inter-female bullying continues among feminists.

Because women within the feminist movement still believe that there is value in high social status, they validate behaviour, such as hypocritical "sex-postive" opinions and behaviour like 's, while simultaneously devaluing intelligent women like Temple Grandin who CHOOSE to not partake of gendered behaviour.

Ask yourself: who do you think has the better ideas and should be celebrated among feminists, an ugly genius, or an attractive groupthink-female? Feminists choose to support the groupthinkers because they can't compare to the female geniuses and they don't want to lose power.

Without the ability to be "sexy" and partake of gendered behaviour, modern feminists are afraid they will lose their high social status and ability to manipulate through sex. Keep in mind: there's a lot of Stacies at the top of the modern feminist movement. The Stacies are desperate and they don't want geniuses like Temple/Gertrude to get a higher social status than them when the social value of a female becomes determined by intelligence rather than sexiness.

> I'm simply making the correct statement that you can't be into gender based BDSM while also being equal. It's not a simulation, it's REAL sex and a real power dynamic.
lol, imagine being this much of a virgin, I guess an actor REALLY dies in real life if he dies in a movie

>There are ways to have sex without power dynamics like that.
feel free to provide an example of such instances

>It was not stated or implied that it was inherent.
if it is not inherently submissive then it cannot be submissive at all, are you going to start arguing about subjectivity now you fucking post-modern faggot?

>Neither.
you are not kidding anyone

autistic virgin; the post

Asking stupid questions help.

I'm not Sure if your virgin posting is trolling or if you are actually buttmad

yeah thats fine just so long as they arent fucking proud of it

You have to be an autistic virgin to believe that the simulation and the real the same thing

Remember OP, when a prostitute tells you that she loves you, she actually means it!

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By partaking of gendered power-behaviour, like stripping, you're only using your gender to achieve social status and sexual power, which is the absolute anti-thesis of feminism.

>inb4 incel virgin bla bla bla
I'm a female with ovaries and breast cancer to prove it.

nice damage control virgo

>lol, imagine being this much of a virgin, I guess an actor REALLY dies in real life if he dies in a movie
This literally have nothing to do with what we're talking about. Is this supposed to be a point?
>feel free to provide an example of such instances
All sex that isn't gender based BDSM. Now who sounds like a virgin lmao.
>if it is not inherently submissive then it cannot be submissive at all, are you going to start arguing about subjectivity now you fucking post-modern faggot?
I don't believe it to be an biologically inherent thing, I believe it's constructed based on gender roles in our society and it wouldn't exist and doesn't need to exist if we dropped the bullshit. You don't need to cry "choke me daddy" in sex, doing so puts women below men especially when it's so common.
You don't know what you're talking about. You sound dumb af bro sorry.

what damage oregon

>I'm a female
see, this is why you are wrong

simulation isn't real, stop being autistic.

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>thinks sex is a simulation
>calls other people virgin
Oh you're projecting, it makes sense now.

>sexologist
Never even heard of the term.

Please state your education, starting with basic undergrad courses, and your full medical title as stated on your license.
If you don't have a license, you're practicing therapy without one, which is against the law.

she was an autistic retard lmao

why is that fine? its still whoring right??? so what if im proud when i do it

who made you secretary of the virgin council

>This literally have nothing to do with what we're talking about. Is this supposed to be a point?
it literally has, you are too much of a brainlet to understand it, according to you, simulation = real ONLY when talking about sex.

If an actor has to follow a submissive role in a movie, is he submissive in real life?

>All sex that isn't gender based BDSM. Now who sounds like a virgin lmao.
lmao, sex in the missionary position with the sole focus of procreation can and does have BDSM implications you fucking autist.

>I believe it's constructed based on gender roles in our society
which are biological you fucking autist

>You don't need to cry "choke me daddy" in sex, doing so puts women below men especially when it's so common.
Yet women do, out of self determination, which pretty much proves they can do whatever the fuck they want while having sex, which isn't submissive at all.

Good god, imagine being so fucking autistic that you believe the opposite lol.

>You don't know what you're talking about. You sound dumb af bro sorry.
says the one who is quoting feminist theory

A "retard" with an IQ of 120.
Keep trying.

ad-hominem non-rebuttal: the rebuttal

>thinks sex outside of the role of procreation isn't a simulation
>thinks he can call anyone a virgin

>Never even heard of the term.
because you don't even have sex lmao

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nice fallacy fallacy

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>it literally has, you are too much of a brainlet to understand it, according to you, simulation = real ONLY when talking about sex.
>If an actor has to follow a submissive role in a movie, is he submissive in real life?
An actor in a movie isn't not you yourself in sex. That isn't a simulation.
>lmao, sex in the missionary position with the sole focus of procreation can and does have BDSM implications you fucking autist.
Not at all, and you can do other stuff I'm not saying you have to just do that.
>which are biological you fucking autist
OH that's the problem, you're ignorant. They aren't biological at all.
>Yet women do, out of self determination, which pretty much proves they can do whatever the fuck they want while having sex, which isn't submissive at all.
Them doing what they want doesn't mean it's not submissive. It doesn't remove the gender power dynamics.
>Good god, imagine being so fucking autistic that you believe the opposite lol.
It's becoming obvious when you say "autistic" it means "intelligent".
>says the one who is quoting feminist theory
LMAO yea you're dumb af bro

Thanks! Get fucked!

"I went to an anime convention the other day and a group of models called me daddy while handing me leaflets, I guess I am actually their daddy and they are my slaves" - OP

I volunteer for credit as an actual therapist in the university counselling department and I'll be an accredited psychologist in a single academic year. Try again.

I'll restate my main argument with your post:

>sexologist
Never even heard of the term.

Please state your education, starting with basic undergrad courses, and your full medical title as stated on your license.

If you don't have a license, you're practicing therapy without one, which is against the law.

MASSIVE SPOILER: You and I would have taken the 45 same undergrad courses.
List them, or you're lying.

i think you're on the wrong side of the desk user

i think you're misunderstanding me. i dont fucking care what girls do, i just dont want any blowback if tell them that they're nasty.

you can be a stripper or a camwhore or whatever, but understand that being a sex worker is not respectable or honest work. and definitelt dont try to tell me about the patriarchy and how we need women to be in charge

Nice dodge.
List the courses, larper.

I guess the OP must've hit a nerve given all those frothing-at-the-mouth assmad posts

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I'm not the OP, I'm just explaining the situation. I don't get why you're all so mad about it. You can't be gendered submissive and equal. To think so is crazy. That goes both ways too.

Oh, it's the endless tap-dance of the larp!
I love this one!

Oh, wait, no I don't.
List the fucking courses.
It's the only thing that'll prove any of what you said wasn't just a massive bullshit larp.

>a movie isn't a simulation
lmfao

>An actor in a movie isn't not you yourself in sex
prove I am myself, the real me, everytime I have sex. Now do the same but with a hooker.

>Not at all
yes at all, the reason an instgram model does not want to procreate with you and instead wants to procreate with another instagram model has inherent class, genetic and social domination implications.

>and you can do other stuff I'm not saying you have to just do that.
such as?

>OH that's the problem, you're ignorant. They aren't biological at all.
oh wow, here we fucking go, gender roles were stablished by an abiological entity outside of our realm and other irrelevant bullshit right?, let's not forget that your concept of gender roles is the typical reductionist position used by the typical feminist.

>Them doing what they want doesn't mean it's not submissive.
it is a simulation, an actor having the leader role in an auschwitz film and enjoy the experience of acting such role doesn't mean he wants to experience it in real life, autist

>It's becoming obvious when you say "autistic" it means "intelligent".
you are very intelligent indeed

>LMAO yea you're dumb af bro
see

nice projection you've got there buddy

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>>a movie isn't a simulation
>lmfao
HAHAHAHAHAHA OKAY you truly are stupid. I did not say that no one with a brain between their ears would interpret what I wrote as "movies aren't simulations". Didn't even read the rest of the post because this right here is so laughable stupid. Stay mad.

OP went from "having an specific fetish means you are submissive irl" to "Hookers do not deserve respect"

nice goalpost moving

Fuck, now I miss eating my ex's ass out .

You're arguing with multiple different people you retard. It's not the OP

>when confronted with something he couldn't understand, OP went into an autistic fi.

It's okay OP,women realy want to be treated like trash in real life just because they have certain fetishes, one day you might have your own harem of submissive chool girls, just like in your animes!

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Notice how the larper avoids actually discussing any of the statements that proved them wrong and moves straight into insult territory?

we are arguing about an specific subject, don't move the goalposts you autist, doesn't matter if you are a different person

im not op.

fucking faggot

I'm not the OP.
I said sex isn't a simulation, not that the movie isn't a simulation. lmao learn to read

see it applies to you aswell

>It's okay OP,women realy want to be treated like trash in real life just because they have certain fetishes
I never said anything about what women WANT, I said what is philosophically possible. Women may WANT to be hypocrites but that doesn't matter.

I didn't know sassy strippers with an attitude posted on r9k, intredasting

I'm not even sure anymore who's post is whose, but if you mean the larper is a faggot then yes, yes they probably are.
No one else would larp being a stripper and a "sexologist" whatever that might even be.
A stripper's life is far from glamourous.

you seem awfully touchy about all this, are you a camwhore or something?

if so just know that youre part of the reason why women generally aren't taken seriously

They don't. It's a larp.
Strippers usually have serious drug addictions, a history of sex work and/or serious childhood sexual abuse, and often have been in raised, poorly, in foster care without forming emotional attachments needed to fully function in society.

>sex isn't a simulation
that is true, everything that happens while having sex is real, even in role reversal scenarios

A man that has a session with a dominatrix must be 100% submissive in real life, he must enjoy being pushed and humiliated by others all the time. It doesn't matter if he is the CEO of a multi-million dollar entity and if he is respected and feared among his co-workers. He must be a wimp in real life

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>hypocrites
there is nothing hypocrite about enjoying certain simulated situations and not wanting to experience the real scenario

are you really that autistic that you cannot see the difference?

Kids REALLY want to kill people, after all that's all they do in GTA 5!

Imagine being this triggered at the fact that some women can get money by showing their boobs lmao

Don't worry you don't have to post tits, we can tell you are a femoid

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list your proof of authority of speaking of things you know nothing about, virgin

You dodge like a pugilist.
If you don't believe then do some fucking research. There's textbooks about this shit, go torrent one or something.

You haven't effectively refuted a single valid statement, and every time one's raised you revert to insults.
Do you even debate?

If men as a class all wanted to suckle tits and call women "mommy" and be stepped on were highly submissive, would you think men were respectable? Or is it just because men are diverse so we can judge them as individuals that your CEO example not work?
Protip: it's the second one.

lmao at the two idiots thinking everyone else is each other

There's the one guy arguing against I think 5 separate people