NoFap Mystery

Why are there no long-term studies of NoFap?

Most of them seem to go up to a week then stop.

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I havent seen any good studies yet. the one in your pic is bullshit btw, has already been debunked

that's how long it takes ((them)) to shut the studies down

Because it's not that easy to measure things like 'confidence', 'motivation' and so on in a lab controlled study.

Why not just measure serum testosterone?

It's a hard number that you can easily track, assuming you do it at the same time every day.

proofs?

Because clearly it's not that simple. There's a lot more to the human body than just testosterone. Androgen receptor sensitivity. You also must control for things like diet, sleep, genetics, if the subjects exercized or not and possibly quite a lot of things.

The reality is that most of these studies are memes because social science suffers from a massive replication crisis. Few of these studies are trustable.

It's best to try it out and see for yourself. But the fact is that not masturbating CLEARLY does something. If you dont fap for 3 days, you will be more horny around women. That's simply a fact. Clearly something in the hormonal distribution changed, because, hey, that contrls how we feel. So clearly it does SOMETHING.

There's another study where college aged men were told to abstain from beating their meat or sex for a month while the second group beat off and fucked.

The Control group had higher base test then the

It all could be interlinked. For example dopamine abuse (fapping, porn) could long term lead to dopamine desensitization, which leads to elevated prolactin levels which in turn can lead to gyno, leptin resistance (obesity) and of course lowered testosterone.

Notice 'long term', this could be a result of long years of porn or fapping, and not fapping for a time might not even do anything. Or the whole process could be non-reversible. It's pretty complex.

There is a study on three weeks that shows test is higher after three weeks abstinence.

People who came up with the 7 day peak and drop are brainlets who read the week study wrong.

It's not a hot research topic because it's not relevant to most medical uses.

Still, there are like five studied showing test increasing with abstinence, two in humans.

Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence.
Exton MS1, Krüger TH, Bursch N, Haake P, Knapp W, Schedlowski M, Hartmann U.
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Abstract
This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

PMID: 11760788

>has already been debunked
If you're going to post that, post a link faggot.

I don't partake in nofap but I don't watch porn anymore.

I don't think porn is universally damaging but my cock absolutely gets harder during sex since I've stopped

There's also a study that says that complete abstinance and celibacy leads to a longer life and extended youth.

Which is odd.

What causes the huge dip at 8 days?

I would understand if it was a slow decline but it completely nosedives.

Because test starts to go down after about a week, and then gets lower and lower.

>The Control group had higher base test then the
Did candlejack ge

Well the girl doesn't have to compete with porn in your mind anymore, so it's not that strange.

Nothing, because it doesn't exist. People somehow misread the 7 day peak ending here as it declining to baseline. It doesn't. It stays the elevated level for at least 3 weeks.

A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men.
Randomized controlled trial
Jiang M, et al. J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr.
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Abstract
The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak. Ejaculation is the precondition and beginning of the special periodic serum testosterone level variations, which would not occur without ejaculation. The results showed that ejaculation-caused variations were characterized by a peak on the 7th day of abstinence; and that the effective time of an ejaculation is 7 days minimum. These data are the first to document the phenomenon of the periodic change in serum testosterone level; the correlation between ejaculation and periodic change in the serum testosterone level, and the pattern and characteristics of the periodic change.

>implying that chinese "science" is credible

I remember a science study research user once posting about how there's a potential increase in AR density after that 7 day increase, which is why the serum test doesn't increase more, yet the effects are noticed more.

I see.
So my hypothesis was correct.
No fap benefits starts on the 7th day, it doesn't peak there.

Because the body doesn't work like that.
Serum test is just one thing, it takes a lot of things working together to make your natural serum test and your bodies reaction to it work optimally.
You can't just bully it by injecting a ton of exogenous test and force it to react to it unnaturally.
You have to change a bunch of things to attain peak natural test levels and maintain them.

>You also must control for things like diet, sleep, genetics
lmao no. If you're measuring increases in serum levels, you just have to tell the subject to continue doing what they're doing, no changes. Genetics is uncontrollable for can be accounted for with a large sample size. Everything you said can be accounted for with a large sample size, or data stratification (e.g. lump all fatties into one group, skinny guys into another, etc.)

based and candlejack pil

Uh blicky blicky
Cum shots, your balls hold fifty
Dick flap, dick goin splat splat splat
But when yo do son, the test drop is fat
No desire, test don't go hire
Ain't burnin for Dem braphoggs like ya loins on fire
So keep that hand on the fuckin gat uh
Dont even give ya dick a pat uh
If ya dicky stiffy uh
Don't nut up on her titties uh
Cause she's a test eater
Drains ya gains by the liter

No time for hos or crack or Tecs
Spend ya time watching bigga by the day and killing pecs

how about you lurk moar newshits? we had these threads for many years now

You're right.
And someone, like you, claimed that it was debunked.
It wasn't then, it isn't now.

The 7th day thing is real and it is when the positives of nofap/noporn actually start.

>Chinese study
Into the trash it goes.

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except that according to your garbage chinese study test normalizes again after the 7th day and is in decline

No, stupid.
The androgen receptors kick on and the body begins to use the test.
Also, the body goes through cycles of high test and low test all of the time on the daily.

That's how normal men's bodies work. Not constant fappers with castrate levels of test and high estrogen receptors.

>the study is correct when it backs my broscience but is wrong when it doesn't back my broscience
your IQ is too low to talk to me, do not reply anymore

for all the brainlets who aren't in on the meme, chinese academics are infamous for shamelessly making shit and plagiarizing
it's a well documented fact

This 7day thing sounds like absolute bullshit. Why would test spike like that? And then fall off?
It seems to me that this had to do something with lifestyle, since everyone on earth has 7 day week. Maybe relaxing at weekend causes this. Or better sleep, sleep quality is known to affect test.

The Chinese study doesn't even say that you fucking brainlet.

>On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak.

And the three week study was German.

Holy fuck I finally understand why test levels keep dropping in men. It's nothing to do with estrogen pill-water. It's just that we all fap too much.

I don't know where OP got his chart, but last time I read the study test levels on the nofap group dropped before the spike

would still be a net increase if people fapped less tho

I remember the good old times when these memes were used. All this stuff, shortly befor ragecomics and so on, stuff like candlejack an

I like that you all missed the German study saying pretty much the exact same thing.

>stop masturbating, goy

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