Tfw mentally ill enough to want to be a girl, but not stupid enough to fall for the HRT meme

well wanting to be rich doesnt suddently mean you have a million or more dollars in your bank

Are you saying I should give in now?

Its not about wanting its about being isnt it? You only want because you want, not because you are. Because wanting is a state of being within itself, not something transitory but what you are.

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yes unless you are more than like 1000% sure you can get through the rest of your life just fine. over time the desires get stronger too and also you will feel worse about not being a female.

read this
>John, a 50 year-old genetic male, medical research scientist, married (23 years), father of three children aged 20, 17 and 7, phoned me after experiencing a panic attack severe enough to require emergency attention from paramedics at the airport on his way to give a presentation at a conference. John gave me only his first name and informed me that I was the first to be told what he was about to tell me. He said he was "gender dysphoric" and that he was "desperate." Feelings that were once "controllable through sheer force of will," had increased to where he now was having protracted periods where he would close his office door, lie on the floor and weep quietly while curled up in the fetal position, holding his genitals in pain. Other than intrusive and repeated fantasies of being female, he had refused to allow himself any overt form of female gender expression. He reported feeling that if he was to cross-dress and be caught, he would dishonor his wife and family. Having attained international recognition for his work, he was also concerned about his professional reputation. The only other form of temporary relief came through masturbating, often up to five times a day.

Fuck off retard
Hrt isn't a meme

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(((Professional help man)))

i dont understand your logic though. just because some guy wants to be the king of the world doesnt mean that he is the king of the world.

same for me, but im too pussy so I just wake up everyday. im not getting the feeling that its the same for you

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Its not about wanting to be something. You are what you are, you cant be anything else. If you are a women then you are. The only way someone is 'king of the world' in your example is if they are. The state of wanting to be 'king of the world' means you are wanting to be king of the world. That is what you are, in that example.

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more specifically the part that says
>Feelings that were once "controllable through sheer force of will," had increased to where he now was having protracted periods where he would close his office door, lie on the floor and weep quietly while curled up in the fetal position, holding his genitals in pain.

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Fuck off back to r/thedoland

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in my example the guy who wants to be the king of the world is nothing more than just a guy who wants to be the king of the world. youre kind of confusing me with what youre saying though.

Sorry, I more mean all these people on this board that try to make it seem like some miracle pill that turns you into a cute happy girl.

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In into feminization and traps but also can separate my fantasies from reality. Alot of anime is escapist fantasy made by people just like us. I don't think hrt can help me and I think society would rather kill me than allow me to escape hell.

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I want to strangle whoever keeps posting catboys.

There are better death cults out there
t. Blood Cult manager

Just do degenerate shit to your heart content.
if that's not enough, then go talk with a psychologist/psychiatrist and figure out if you're just a next level degenerate or if you really need the titty skittles.

Those people are toxic cancer and I hate them

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Then we agree, they want to be king of the world, so they are. That is to say they are 'wanting to be king of the world' which is different then being 'king of the world', because the 'king of the world' doesnt want to be the 'king of the world' they are.
In the same way if you want to be a women then you want to be one, if you are one then you are. I think the difference confuses people and a lack of a readiness to accept this is causing many much discomfort and pain.

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Being manly looking will always fuck with you. Hormones help some because lopping off your balls and taking estrogen stops male aging and makes you sexless, but you will always have a male body, even if you started at puberty. You'd just be MORE likely to be passable. Other aspects of your life are absolutely fucked, hormones won't fix that, and the people who tell you they do have no real way to prove it.

Do it if you honestly believe it will improve your life. It might just be a change that acts as a catalyst to help you turn the direction of your life. You'll still have issues that affect everyone, trans or not.

Sorry if this seems bleak. It's entirely honest. Also quit anime avataring. Anime is the least realistic thing humans have created and it will fuck with your self perception.

T. Tranny

Don't you still get horny without balls?

i want it too OP

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>Then we agree, they want to be king of the world, so they are
maybe youre just phrasing it weirdly, but still wanting to be something doesnt mean that you actually are that something. there is a difference between someone who wants to be something than someone who is something.

Absolutely without any doubt yes.

I hate them too. I know all their threads are full of bullshit and stuff, but after a while they really start to get to me sometimes.

Thats exactly what im saying. So in that way, theres no need to want to be one thing, when you can just be it instead.
For a real world example I have a friend who takes HRT to look more like a women, but they where a women before they started taking the HRT, so taking the HRT wasnt to make them a women, they already where. It was to make them look like a women, which is different then being one.

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It's a form of self expression then

Interesting
I hate how they're making it impossible to even talk about hrt without being called an hrt shill. I hate them and I'm half convinced they're Jow Forumsfags trying to make tranny's like bad

I agree, I think its a pretty straight forward way to see it but I seem to have trouble running into people that see it the same way.

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>but they where a women before they started taking the HRT, so taking the HRT wasnt to make them a women, they already where
i still dont understand your logic. your friend may want to be a female, but since your friend was born as a male, it is scientifically impossible to biologically become a female instead. therefore it would only make sense to say that your friend is only a guy who wants to be a girl, since your friend can not actually be a girl.

Theyve been a women as long as ive known them, before they knew it. I think what you are is what you are, despite yourself or anything else. I think seeing it any other way is just confusing things, dont you?

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These people are mentally ill and are lying to you

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i seriously think your logic is extremely flawed or maybe even non existant. nothing you have said has made any logical sense. so far your arguments only consist of appeals to emotion.

From what I see its the opposite of appealing to emotion, if anything it denies emotion. You are what you are despite of yourself. You can deny being yourself but then you would only be 'denying yourself' as opposed to anything that is not 'yourself'.
I see no flaws in that.

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I want to find a small, shy, awkward boy who has never been loved before, and to make him my boyfriend! Then I can put him on hrt and he'll slowly become my girlfriend! c:

just play dress up a little and go to conventions and get give a couple of handies/blowies/get pounded.

that should get the urges out of your systems and youll outgrow it eventually. you might even make a couple of bucks on the side.

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ok but you saying that wanting to be a girl means that someone is a girl, which is litterally the same as saying that any shape that has four 90 degree angles is a square and nothing else.

Don't corrupt user! Boys are for pure love and affection!

Wanting to be a girl and being a girl are two different things. A girl is a girl. Im not claiming this to not be the case.

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That sounds really cute desu, now get your twisted fantasies out of my thread.

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Reiko had a harem, I just want one boy to love and care for desu.

what you said earlier is different than what you said now though.
also about your tranny friend, no matter how much this person wants to be a girl instead, that will not change the biology. sure your friend can take steps to change their apppearance, but technically your friend still isnt a girl.

They may want to be a girl but that doesnt stop them from being one, despite how they feel.

oh ok so youre just gonna completely ignore my point about how its impossible for your biologically male friend to be a biological female.

traps are gay and if you want to be a trap you're a mentally deranged retard
Just Saying

>traps are gay
not if youre a guy who is attracted ONLY to the female features of them
>if you want to be a trap you're a mentally deranged retard
not exactly. if you want to be one youre just mentally ill, which isnt the same thing as what you said.

>too stupid to know about HRT+perma boy mode

enjoy being 40, incredibly manly, ugly and depressed as fuck, atleast if you got on HRT now and just continued dressing like a boy you might not want to blow you face off with a shotgun by the time you reach 30.

I wish it didn't have to be this way, I was just like you at one point. Also
>going to Jow Forums for advice on being a fag
if you listen to these people who have no fucking idea or sympathy for your situation you will unironically destroy your own life like countless people before you. Be smart.

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If you are only attracted to the female features you would just want to fuck a girl cause you would see the dick and say thats gay you fag.

Also mentally ill and mentally deranged are about the same to me both are worthless to society and should be sent to a camp imo.

whoa dont cut yourself on that edge there kid
>and should be sent to a camp imo
wow you sure are respecting others' freedoms here.
>mentally ill and mentally deranged are about the same to me
ya but in reality they arent the same though.

>didn't argue me calling him fag confirmed gay
gay
>wow you sure are respecting others freedom

Mentally ill retard needs to cut off dick to not want to die and will probably get hired to any job the freak wants for muh diversity quota even though he will just fuck things up for his company cause he isn't mentally stable enough to do well but they can't fire a trannie even if he is a plague on the work place. Fuck trannies they can die they dont deserve rights at least autistic people can't get a job past retail like fuck how can you like those things.

>muh youre gay
not an argument. even if i was gay, why does it even matter?
>Mentally ill retard needs to cut off dick to not want to die and will probably get hired to any job the freak wants for muh diversity quota even though he will just fuck things up for his company cause he isn't mentally stable enough to do well but they can't fire a trannie even if he is a plague on the work place.
nice run on sentance here
you litterally type like some 15 year old kid who just came from reddit to Jow Forums a short while ago and now youre trying to post on other boards.
also im not a tranny myself but most trannies ive seen dont get the dick surgery, and also most of them dress and act like guys until people consistently think that they are actually girls. the ones you are describing are an outlier, but they are also the only ones who are really loud about their condition so they are the only ones you know of.

>even if I was gay why would it matter.
You said traps/trannies weren't gay thats why and they are gay btw.
>Most don't cut off their dicks they just act like girls to try to trick dudes
You can't honestly say they aren't fucked in the head if they are a MAN and they want to be a GIRL.
Girls are already crazy fucks who are over emotional and care way to much about being social. So now you have a man with that mindset who has a mans mind but somehow thinks like a girl no way that guy isn't batshit crazy. There is a reason men are born wanting to be men and not women if they want to be a women they should have to get a lobotomy or something to make them right. Not rely on playing dress-up and make believe for 70 years till they die of aids or someshit for being gay.

Unrelated points I think gays are like trannies in a mental illness way just not as extreme and crazy.

>You said traps/trannies weren't gay thats why and they are gay btw.
if a guy is purely attracted to the feminine charachteristics of the trap its not gay. being attracted to femininity as a guy is not gay.
>if they want to be a women they should have to get a lobotomy
oh ok so then we should just fucking destroy some peoples minds just because you dont like them. have you even seen how lobotomies effected people back when it was legal? it turned most of them in to braindead retards.
>to make them right.
actually quite a bit of different shit has been tried to make trannies normal, but none of it really worked.

>There is a reason men are born wanting to be men and not women if they want to be a women they should have to get a lobotomy or something to make them right.
this sounds alot like something a repressed tranny would say, seriously. most people just dont give a fuck about trannies.

>purely attracted to their femininity
Traps/Trannies have a stronger jaw line cause they are dudes also they have a dick and no tits what femininity is there to be attracted to the make up in conclusion you're still gay.
>lobotomy destroy their mind and make them braindead retards.
I would honestly rather have a braindead retard or emotionless man then a goddamn trannie who is over emotional and already have a fucked psyche where most of them off themselves after coming out as the fags they are.
>Other shit has been tried to make them right but it didn't work
You know what they haven't tried yet lobotomy's, because they are illegal im sure if they were legal again with our more precise technology we could have a lobotomy good enough to fix them. No one will try this though, because its immoral even though its been like 30 years and im sure we could do better than in the 80s or something.

>Most people don't care about trannies
I only care about trannies cause they ruin shit with their retardation. If trannies just stayed away from things i liked i wouldn't give a shit, but they somehow managed to get hired at games companies and are plastered all around TV with their stupid SJW bullshit along with dumbass women.

>You know what they haven't tried yet lobotomy's, because they are illegal im sure if they were legal again with our more precise technology we could have a lobotomy good enough to fix them.
i really doubt it. there is no evidence to support the idea that the problem lies within the frontal lobe. besides even when lobotomy was legal it didnt really even fucking work for what it was actually supposed to treat. to any medical proffessional you would sound insane to suggest that we bring lobotomies back.

>love and affections

theyre all just cock hungry sluts, you should see the after con orgies

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Why not just be a cute crossdressing girl (male) with a loving bf?

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you having some of the same interests as them is another indicator that you could be one too. i understand though youve probably been made to feel ashamed of your desire to be a girl for your entire life and desperately want to get rid of it. it doesnt work like that though, you cant just get rid of it while retaining your mental functionality. and you cant ignore it forever, it eventually gets too strong. many other trannies go through a stage in the beginning where they shit talk trannies really hard to try and purge themselves of their desires.

>Medical Professionals would think im crazy to bring back lobotomy's and they didn't work in the past.
I'm sure if you asked a "Medical Professional" back in the day if laser eye surgery would work they would call you crazy and say it would never have any practical use. Also planes used to only fly for 30s in the past and had no practical use but they didn't give up on that idea cause it wasn't safe who cares if a couple hundred people die to make them be perfect. I'm sure a couple hundred people were blinded before laser eye surgery was able to be practical.

>who cares if a couple hundred people die to make them be perfect. I'm sure a couple hundred people were blinded before laser eye surgery was able to be practical.
so basically youre saying that you dont even really value other people's lives

Say something with some fucking substance you fag even gays can make some valid arguments if they try all you did was say i'm suppresing my urges and say i talk like one do most trannies say how they want lobotomy's and hate them in the gaming and tv industry you fucking brainlet piece of garbage go beat your dick to the fucking potatoes you call sexy you sex depraved degenerate and unless you have something thought out to say dont respond.

you probably dont even value your own life either. god you remind me of myself back when i was only a repressed tranny so much.

I value people i like lives but i give a fuck less that less than 0.0000000001% of the population dies to make 0.05% happier i look at things in the big picture got a crack some eggs to make an omelette.

WHAT DID I SAY YOU FUCKING GAY THINK FOR 5 MINUTES BEFORE SAYING SOME STUPID SHIT IM TRYING HAVE A FUCKING DISCUSSION WITH A RATIONAL GAY FUCK WHO LIKES TRAPS

fucking kek youre getting pretty mad user, you could have simply denied what i said but instead you got angry that i suggested that. you basically made yourself more of a suspect to what i originally suggested.

>You insulted me in your response that make you gay haha i got you

fuck off fag

ok but i dont believe you should impose upon someones freedom and force them to do something like that. it should be only up to them if they want to join in some experiment to potentially help more people.

I guess we shouldn't force Americans to do it, but we could pay some Africans living on 1$ a day like 300 dollars and have them do it they were probably going to starve to death and if they die to the procedure just give the money to their kin or something no one has their freedom taken and no one of importance dies win-win.

enjoy being 50+ years old and married when it finally becomes too much for you so you break down and decide to go tranny mode. but then by then you will have been completely fucked over by androgens and have no hope of ever looking anything like a female.

if im over 50 and hate my life so much to throw it away and go trannie then i'd rather just put a bullet in my fucking cranium you dolt.

also no trannie i have ever seen (in real life not anime you fag) has looked like a female they've all looked way too fucking manly for my tastes.

if they look too much like a woman then that completely defeats the purpose.

You want some boyish traits there, But yeah, white people do make god awful trannies with their duke nukem jaws, mutt facial hair and weird bone structures.

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but when that time comes though, and for quite a bit of time before it, you will be feeling horrible mental pain that is unimaginable to you right now. you will have desperately wished you made a different choice in life. when that time comes, theres also the chance that youll be too scared to kill yourself, theres also the chance that you will so desperately want even the tiniest taste of what its like to be a female in society that youll turn yourself into an old abominable tranny. even if you truly dont have the tranny mental illness yourself, such is the future for those who do and try to repress it (aka ignore it).

I wish the gay trannie lover would comeback he was fun to talk to and made interesting points. You just say trannies are hot and are even gayer than him like wtf you sausage loving dress wearing gay boi

the less time they spend getting fucked by androgens, the better chance they have though.

im still here, but i dont really see much else to discuss though. i also wouldnt consider myself "gay" or a "tranny lover" though.

I hate women they suck and are irrational why wold i want to taste dogshit.
Also why would I want to be something I have no interest in being and i find gay and retarded for the fear i might not find it that way come 30 years. If that is the case your argument is beyond stupid.

ok i feel that i mainly am just still here arguing with whoever is still responding to me cause im a stubborn cunt who is right but people don't want to accept that the first time i tell them so i have to repeat it to the social retards.
>I wouldnt consider myself a tranny lover\
Got it tranny sympathizer

the idea here is that you do have an intrest in being a female, just that you are repressing it.

theres nothing gay about liking traps. you should try crossplaying as well and having some action with another trap.

>Got it tranny sympathizer
eh call me whatever you want then, i dont really care. i just dont believe that we should force people to get lobotomies or destroy their brain in any way to try and fix some problem.

How is wanting to fuck a dude in women's clothing not gay. I'm pretty sure you're the one who said you like them for some of the boyish features to which is even gayer.

Why would you want to be a girl? I understand it as an occasional submissive fetish, but wanting to be a legit full-time girl is something completely different. What makes you want that?

There brain is already destroyed since birth its like they are autistic or a psychopath. Simply they have nothing that would be lost for fucking them up more.

bro I only crossplay/act girly in conventions or when I make youtube/twitch videos(for attention).

In real life I'm pretty much as straight as any other metrosexual cunt.

honestly i think you sound a little psychopathic suggesting that we force people to cause permanent damage to something based on only your perception of it.

Your thread made it sound like you actually want to become a girl

>my thread

what