I wanna live my life in the best way possible. I wanna spend every single moment the best I can possibly make it...

Thelema

Alesiter Crowley

>Simone Weil
I read like, half a book of hers but can't even remember the name of the book. I guess there are other better christian mystics. One of my favorites is the Cloud of Unknowing, but The Imitation of Christ is just the absolute best one Christian Mysticism can provide as a consolation.

>Have you tried Christianity?
Yeah have I tried it. A LOT. But ultimately I never end up feeling better because I am a person extremely prone to guilt. I can never forgive myself and the more I ask for forgiveness the more guilt I have.

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you're already doing that

you're programmed to do that

>I have read Simone Weil and find her incredibly helpful.
Excuse me I am retarded.
Same here, I am super guilt prone, I have been trying to solve it, but, I have no clue how I would even start.
You seem pretty well read, what philosophies have you read/ are interested in?

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>what philosophies have you read/ are interested in?
I don't know m8. Right now I was reading some of Seneca. Honestly I am interested in anything about philosophy. I honestly would very much love to live the rest of my life digesting philosophy books but unfortunately some awful shit happened to me with the fucking drugs I took and I don't have half the brain I had back then. I hope the brainfog goes away and I get my head back again, but right now it's just SHIT.
I find that reading the stoics provide a very good consolation for everyday life.
Regarding philosophy there really isn't anything I dislike besides Hegel.

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Meaning is the answer to the question of why to endure the suffering of life, why to bother doing anything in the first place, why to get up in the morning.
For some it's God, for others drugs and for others the fear of death.
This is a question you have to answer yourself.

I hope you make it past this moment in your life, I wish I could offer you more than a hope, but really, I would love for this "brainfog" to go away.
Are you familiar with the work of Kierkegaard?

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>Are you familiar with the work of Kierkegaard?
Yeah I am. Funny that you ask this because I was just reading some quotes by him. His books are peculiar in the way they are written. In a way Kierkegaard is a very emotional writer, and the way he writes is sometimes convoluted, but God, when he makes a point about life and you LIVE through it, you start to understand what he meant with perfect clarity. When you start to live through tribulation and having to make the choices of life then you see that he really had a genius in him.

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>For some it's God, for others drugs and for others the fear of death.
I have tried the three of them. None have worked out so far except drugs, the only downside is that the high has to end and it lasts only a short time.

>but really, I would love for this "brainfog" to go away.
Thanks user.

free will is an illusion anyway

>free will is an illusion anyway
I tell this to myself every single day but still I can't get rid of the regret.

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Forgot
>being born rich
>connections
>good luck

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I completely agree, I had a bout of depression a few weeks back and randomly I picked up Sickness Unto Death and realized word for word I was mirroring the last level of cognitive despair. It was a revelation. I wish he went on, but after that, he starts talking about the next step of viewing despair as a sin and the despair in forgiveness.

What a mystery life seems to be.

But on the concept of being the best you in this life I think the problem is "containing" your "infinity." Every movement is of an infinite value, you have to "simplify" let some of the infinity pass you by.

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I hear DMT has the answers, I've yet to try it but I know how you feel.

>Every movement is of an infinite value, you have to "simplify" let some of the infinity pass you by.
I agree. The fact that everything I do has an infinite potential in it, brings a lot of anguish in me. God. The regret I have for what I've done just fucking kills me.

>I hear DMT has the answers, I've yet to try it but I know how you feel.
What about Ritalin?

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>not creating your values and going with a prepackaged philosophy

The absolute state of last men

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Fuck off with this fucking pseud syphillis edgy fucktard for teens.
I really love the idea of the eternal return though

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Egoism is the answer

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Drugs are the answer.
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>I agree. The fact that everything I do has an infinite potential in it, brings a lot of anguish in me. God. The regret I have for what I've done just fucking kills me.

As a kindred spirit, believe me when I say that I understand. I am also a huge sucker of the idea the eternal return and try to live a life worth living. To avoid a "living death" and to be come a "being." Which might be a byproduct of poor language, but regardless. I believe it wholeheartedly.
Let us forgive ourselves, forgive others, and move forward in simplicity.
Regret will not save our souls, but, love just might.

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>university professor at 24 one of the youngest ever
>pseud

Yes, i'm sure some random tripfag on Jow Forums posting pithy facebook tier quotes is less of an edgy pseud

Being a scam artist at 24 doesn't make you smart.

Yeah. You are right, I've forgiven myself. Mostly, I guess.
If you don't mind me asking, where are you from?

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Yeah bro, university is a complete scam (problems of the current system don't really count in Nietzsche's time before the massification of education)

Most philosopher were academics, so i guess we should just disregard them.

United States
Florida, to be exact.
Yourself?

It's not that I even dislike him. I don't. I actually really want to read Nietzsche and it's on my list to read. It's just that he gets posted so often around here sometimes it gets too fucking repetitive.

I'm a robot from Brazil. I'm not like you'd imagine though, with all the stereotypes about brazilians that we have here in Jow Forums. I actually don't enjoy living here at all or have any inclination whatsoever of conforming to the fucking society I live in.

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>problems of the current system don't really count in Nietzsche's time before the massification of education
What are you talking about?

A philosopher stands upon their work and the biography of their life as history decides it. To amount the importance of anyone's work to measly achievement or age is nonsensical. But granted, I am the one arguing with you on the internet.

>Most philosophers were academics, so I guess we should just disregard them.

Nice straw man.

I have no bias, regardless of race, color, or creed. I've talked to you, I have no need to judge you because of things you couldn't control.

It isn't nonsensical. I didn't say his work was important because of that one achievement, but it hardly indicates that he was a 'edgy pseud'.

>Nice straw man.

You essentially said being a professor was being a scam artist, so i don't see how it's a straw man. Make up your mind.

Maybe he gets posted often because he would help. In actual fact he talks about most issues you have posted about, like christian guilt.

>Maybe he gets posted often because he would help. In actual fact he talks about most issues you have posted about, like christian guilt.
Yeah, but you do realize that there are more than just one philosopher, right? And besides, if we would talk about multiple concepts, doesn't it make much more sense to talk about multiple philosophers concomitantly instead of just restricting ourselves to only one?

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Listen, regardless of how idiotic you are what does it matter that someone called babies first philosopher an "edgy pseud.' You obviously like him, that's great, but what are you accomplishing here?
Freud tried to do the same thing and Marx called religion the sigh of an oppressed creature, but Nietzsche was a long ways away from "solving" Christian guilt.

Thanks m8. Hey, what do you think about Wittgenstein. Any opinion on him?

This user is right. What are you trying to accomplish?

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Where did i restrict it to one philosopher? I made one small post. Did i stop anyone else discussion other philosophers?

By the same token i could ask the same, what does it matter that i said he wasn't an edgy pseud, what are you accomplishing by this?

I didn't say Nietzsche solved anything, just that he wrote on the topic.

You are cute so I'll indulge you because you are acutely trying to prove something. What I am trying to accomplish is simple. I want you to be self aware, if you like Nietzsche that's great but the arguments you have constructed and the back pedaling you do every time you feel you have been misrepresented, (Even though you do not give the same kindness to your "opponent.") is laughable. Very simply, argue with purpose, you seem to hold Nietzsche as your own idol and are intent in defending him when Nietzsche says to hold no idols. If you are going to argue for something, do it with purpose.
inb4 "What! No! that is completely wrong!"

Wittgenstein is practically my hero. Early and Late. I could go on forever on him, but needless to say, he has been very influential.

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You have to ask yourself what the fuck does it mean to 'live life to the fullest'.

Do you mean maximize your utility?

First define what utility is. Then figure out how to maximize it. Then do it.

Aristotle said pursue excellence.
Epicurus said pursue hedonia or pleasures - mainly higher ones - and aponia or lack of pain.
Christians say live for Christ and get into heaven.
Stoics say build a mental fortress so nothing can get to you and nothing really matters. But you... do things anything, for some reason.
The Cyrenaics said to pursue bodily pleasures.
Nietzsche said to pursue personal power.

I have no idea which is right.

Pic related. My feelings from reading philosophy and psychology over the years to find the path to happiness.

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Fugger pursued money for its own sake.
Rand said pursue self interest which is found in the state of flourishing, objectively defined, as a state of a man most fit for living.
Buddhists say reach enlightenment.
Hindus say reach nirvana.
The modern religion is a kind of spiritual hedonism. People are obsessed with career success, good looks, health, romance and travel as somehow the highest pleasures.

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In case it isn't clear, the common Western ideal (religion) doesn't interest me much. I find romance to be shallow. Career success to be a lot of stress in the end. Good looks will always eventually fade and take a lot of time and pain to maintain. Travel is just another distraction not much better than clubbing or video games (just novelty and stimulaiton) .

Everything seems shallow to me.

Someties mI think perhaps pursuing intellectual or creative achievement are the best paths to personal fulfillment, purpose and fulfillment... they are surely not shallow if anything is... yet, somehow they seem also to just be hedons in the pursuit of some imagined value. Why is knowledge valuable in iteslf? Hard to say? Why is music? It's only valuable in so far as I enjoy listening to it (spiritual pleasure) But do I want to devolve into a spiritual hedonist again? Because it seems to me that if you only pursue somtehing for the pleasure, you actually end up sucking it dry of the pleasure. It's only by pursuing things for their own sake, that you get the pleasure as a by product. Yet what value is there really in the final analysis? Hard to say, other the pleasure. So you cuck yourself out of enjoying life on the root to analyzing how to enjoy life.

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>'live life to the fullest'
I think we have to supply a new definition. Not one of utility, but one of a personal garden. We seek imagine our labors, not unlike the work of the farmer or the shepherd or the fisherman.(To use Christian imagery.) To "live life to the fullest" is to mean, what labor should I preform that will satisfy me, and those around me? I believe the best labor is one of love. Let every movement be an action of love and peace. In a world of hate and violence.

>Wittgenstein is practically my hero.
Fuck m8. Mine too. I used to fucking adore Wittgenstein. The Tractatus was my favorite book. I used to take it everywhere. I think it was the first book that really, and I mean, really made me get interested in philosophy. A lot of it due to the fact that suddenly all these thoughts that had previously gone through my head were also written by this guy in this book in a precise, clear-cut fashion. I mean, besides most of the props. in the Tractatus, the list of the sixth props. had some philosophical insight that had gone through my mind even before I had discovered Wittgenstein, and I was amazed at how I related to some of these concepts but I had never found a particular philosopher whom I resonated with before. This book really opened my eyes to philosophy.
Not only his work is fucking great, but his life also was extremely interesting. There is this biography about him by Ray Monk I read. His life and the way he lived really was something else.

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You seem to imagine life as consisting purely of sensation, while such things seem to be the case, that can not be said to be true.

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I think that what we need is a sense of progress (or an illusion of one). Think about it, the only way one can live with purpose is by sincerely believing that what he does has a MEANING to him. That it is not in vain. If we keep rationalizing and scrutinizing everything, it's very hard to find something that seems worth doing, but as long as the person has this feeling that there is some PROGRESS to what he is doing (i.e. he's not doing something for no reason, he is doing something that matters) then suddenly, besides having the necessary elements for well-being, it seems that his life is going somewhere and there's enough satisfaction to make him happy and feel like there's meaning to any of this.

Be it doing something for a greater good, or having a lot of money and getting more, or just the plain enjoyment of happiness by itself (this one seems the most compelling one to me), what matters in the end towards the goal of achieving a sense of meaning in life is the feeling of progress. That things are going forward. Think about it, when we see those fucking wall street bankers and they're fucking making money, they don't ever stop to think about the meaning of life. For them, it is to make money, for others, friends etc. but what all have in common is that they believe they're making progress in whatever they're doing and growing as people. It's extremely rare to find someone who lives hedonistically and believes his life meaningful, because in those situations there almost never is a feeling of progress in those people's minds. They just keep doing drugs and nothing advances so they end up concluding their lives are meaningless.

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I feel exactly the same way which is my problem, while I love Derrida he completely breaks language while Wittgenstein tries to contend with it with beautiful results. I really need to read Heidegger and give continental's their fair share.

you don't need philosophy, you need methodology

>You seem to imagine life as consisting purely of sensation
He never said that.

The fucking fun is in the ride, nothing else.

To be completely fucking honest with you, I fucking sincerely believe that there's no meaning to life. There just fucking isn't. I really do think that you should start from the get-go that we are all here by accident, there's no meaning to anything, we fucking go nowhere when we die and that's fucking it. Any quest for "meaning" in life is purely just a hypothetical question we humans raise to ourselves whenever we begin to wonder about our place in the universe. But it's all psychological in a way. All of the talk about the meaning of life boils down to psychology and people constantly fool themselves that they find "meaning" in their lives. It's all fucking psychological and there's absolutely no fucking way at all to ascertain that there is any meaning to anything at all, even less of insignificant humans like us. So any idea of "meaning" to life is purely an illusion that people that are content with their lives tell themselves whenever this question comes up. But honestly, this question never even does come up for people that are genuinely happy.

Think about it, have you ever seen a genuinely happy person ask himself what is the meaning of life? I think that they're smarter than us in a way, because they don't ask dumb questions such as this. There is no fucking meaning to life, there never was, and it is impossible to find one. We just have the illusion of finding one, and when people become satisfied and content enough with their lives, this question itself becomes stupid. In the happiest moments of my life I have come to ask myself if what I was doing had "meaning". I felt that, objectively speaking, NO, nothing has any meaning whatsoever. But to the mind of someone who is happy, this question doesn't even come up because it is stupid from the get-go.
TL;DR Life has no meaning and that's ok.

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>while I love Derrida
Why? Wittgenstein and Derridas are complete opposites. Trying to mix or even consider that their philosophies have any common ground at all is not only wrong, it's like an offense to Wittgenstein's thought. It's not because they deal with philosophy of language that they have anything in common. At all.
Derridas and the deconstructionists in general just end up "breaking" or "deconstructing" language by blabbering pseudo-philosophical non-sense and do not in any way study or understand anything that Wittgenstein had to say and the incredible insights he proposed to our understand of philosophy of language and its repercussions. Honestly, one should see these as just secondary philosophers of relative little importance, and just stick to other areas of philosophy that came before or at least some that are recent but that actually make sense. If you wanna understand what I'm referring to (the butchery that French philosophers have made on interpreting anything that is not existential or Hegelian) just pick up "Wittgenstein's Anti-Philosophy" by Alain Bordieu. You will see that it's very difficult to actually find a french philosopher that comes near the genius of someone as Wittgenstein. or even one who understands him.
I genuinely also believe that it is not imperative to read Heidegger yet. The guy is known for making everything unnecessarily complicated and difficult to understand. Try picking up more generalized philosophy books to get a better understanding of the development of philosophical thought, and read the ancients, the ones that interest you the most. Funny thing is, a lot of modern philosophers, sometimes are just rehearsing what had been said thousands of years ago by the greeks, but just in a slightly different way and packaging. If you understand enough of the greeks, you'll realize that a lot of what modern philosophers say has some good amount of similarity and you'll always find something extremely interesting.

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As Alfred North Whitehead once said:
"All of philosophy is just a collection of footnotes by Plato."

Not sensation, but whether it is physical or spiritual pleasure, it is a state of consciousness.

2 words. Unabomba Manifesto

One simple idea:
If you're working, you're achieving something.

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You seem pretty passionate about all this which is nice, it's hard to find passionate people now a days. (That sounds so old fashioned and terrible but I mean the sentiment.)

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>If you're working, you're achieving something.
Yeah, exactly. And that's where all sense of "meaning" in life boils down to, essentially.

Ok, but what is your stance on philosophy of language?
BTW, it's been real fun talking to you.

It's been fun talking to you too. This has been a treat.
But on the philosophy of language, I agree with you in saying that Derrida and Wittgenstein really shouldn't be compared because Wittgenstein is the better philosopher. While I do think Derrida must be contended with, I agree that Wittgenstein has been far more influential and reached far better conclusions then Derrida But, I suppose that's really all I have to say on the matter, I agree with Wittgenstein in saying that philosophy has just been contentions with language, that there are no true philosophical questions, and that the totality of philosophy is just the philosophy of language, but I suppose I haven't spent enough time contemplating the topic.

Do you agree though on what I meant in by saying that life is and must be inherently meaningless and that it is impossible to talk about such thing as a life that has "meaning". It's not even that I'm a straight nihilist, it's that, first of all, everytime that we even touch upon the subject of there being "meaning" in life we end up necessarily having to come to a point where the word "meaning" is not in any way, shape or form defined or understood clearly and unanimously. And simply the word "meaning" has such a broad array of interpretations and meaning that it inevitably reaches a metaphysical meaning. As I'm sure you must be well-acquainted, metaphysical propositions and assertions are by their nature faulty and unprovable, much more so with a terminology that is so fraught with a plethora of interpretations such as "meaning" of life. Wittgenstein ended up making the point in the Tractatus that what one cannot say about determined things on metaphysics, one should be silent about (since there is nothing that can be said about something as "mystical" (a term Wittgenstein uses himself) as "purpose" or "meaning" in life). The idea itself of "meaning" in life ends up achieving a metaphysical connotation and therefore there is nothing that one can say definitely about it, only that it is something "mystical" (as Wittgenstein himself terms these sorts of deeply personal, unexplainable factors in life).
The term itself "meaningful life" becomes meaningless. There is nothing that can be said about it, as the Tractatus can ascertain, except for its mystical characteristics which are only applicable to the individual (microscosm)

Not saying though that it is impossible that some person might be living a "meaningful life". Yeah, he might just as well, but that can only be understood in psychological terms and things related and never in a truly philosophical (i.e. metaphysical way), for it necessarily implies a philosophical misunderstanding.

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Forgot to post this.

Hey, it has been fun. Bye.

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