Do people actually have an inner monologue? Reasoning about everything they see...

>One line of thinking is rational, the other is not.
Do you also have a little angel and devil appear on your shoulders?

Yes. And sometimes it's like two voices are speaking at the same time and when I talk I mix what those voices said and nonsense comes out of my mouth.

I almost never use words in my head. I use a daisy chain of abstractions

Perhaps it is, it might explain things. Its more of the internal monologue questioning me on things and choices I guess. Maybe its because I've always been someone locked in my own mind.
my post probably sounded a bit cliche, i know. Its just how I think. I have an extensive conversation with myself and work out the angles.

I'm a sperg & an ''extroverted thinker'' I.e ENTJ.
I have to listen to a podcast or play a videogame or else my inner monologue kicks in.
Occasionally I'll chastise my computer, talk to my house plants and fruit flies.

If you don't speak in word salad you're not schitzo.

I don't have an internal monologue. I have a voice in my head, but only while reading.

wtf. I get it for everything. Don't you get it when you are thinking about what to say, or when you are reasoning?

It's just your subconscious. Ever pretend to have conversations with other people in your head, and how if you can get it rolling, they speak for themselves? That's your subconscious at that point, taking over the part of whoever you're conversing with. It'd be a mental illness if he thought the council had any power of him or others, or that it exists outside of his imagination, or that it isn't separate from reality.

>I don't have an internal monologue. I have a voice in my head, but only while reading.
Do you ever use that same voice when trying to figure out any ideas you have or to perfect any arguments for certain subjects that interest you?

I used to have a constant inner monologue. Now it's pretty much shut up. I actually prefer not having it all the time. It's relaxing.

>It's just your subconscious
no, it's equally to consciously talking aloud but instead of talking aloud you're talking in your head.

This is really upsetting to me. I talk to myself in my head all day long...there are musical interludes though

Not him but a lot of the time I don't get it, even when reasoning or thinking about what to say. It's like those things come in concepts, and the words just come out as a reflection of the concept.

It wasn't always like this. In college my inner monologue was basically nonstop. I used to always think in words. Now, much less so.

How do you plan for the future then? You need some sort of inner monologue for that.

Life without an inner dialogue seem incomprehensible. I'm always constantly discussing ideas, walking through decisions, and reviewing events in my head. That's what thought is, isn't it?

Same, and they argue when I have to solve a problem. They kinda have different voices too and I can visualize how they look (nothing like me) but im not crazy I dont think

>equally
equal*

If I think about what to say, I might rehearse it in my head a few times, but not in normal conversation, just the opening lines or so - "Hello, my name i XXXXX XXXXXX, I'm calling from YYYYY, I would like to know more about ZZZZZZZ".
I usually don't reason very much, except for solving difficult math/programming problems.
Sometimes I'd imagine holding speeches on a certain subject, but never to form my opinion on a subject, it's just an autistic habit.
I look at the options and consider which one would be best.

I don't only have an internal monologue, it feels incomplete if I keep it all internalized. I actually just talk to myself out loud. Sometimes use different voices to suit the viewpoint I'm thinking of. Normies always get spooked

>I look at the options and consider which one would be best.
And while you're doing that you have an internal debate regarding the pros and the cons or each option, right?

No, I can't remember ever doing that, but much of my memory is a blur.

If you have voices speaking to you in your head you have a mental illness

Everyone thinks to themselves in their head or outloud

you probably have low IQ

whats the difference you fucking idiot
fucking hell you thinking to yourself is literally >LITERALLY your voice in your head

How the fuck can people not have that ?
It's your inner voice, concious or less concious, but it's there everytime and everywhere. I discovered it or, at least, I acknowledged it in a day of winter when I was six. It can take any voice, including myself, and it can have any tone, it can even scream.

You fuckin dumass, the voice is fucking YOU ! Your will, your personallity yourSELF ! Maybe if you had one, you could fucking think better

>whats the difference

>hey user you should this
>different voice: no user, dont do that dont listen
>no im right listen to me

>whats the difference you fucking idiot
>fucking hell you thinking to yourself is literally >LITERALLY your voice in your head
The difference is whether you think that inner-voice is an entity separate from yourself.

Oh fuck nevermind I get what you mean and you're right, sorry

How the fuck can you not have inner monologue? I can't stop thinking in words even before sleeping

I'm scared guys, is the world really full of mob characters? I always felt like lot lf people lacked something but I thought it was just being autistic

The sample size of this survey I saw all over pol yesterday was 30 people

30 people

>thinking in words and not concepts
Low IQ detected

I think they just interpret their internal monologue differently, probably.

its how you separate real people from NPCs. people that dont think piss me off.

concepts can be explained with words

Thinking nonverbal is faster, but it's also a good way to lose track of your thoughts. I try to vocalize, because it keeps me on track, even if it's awkward when you rapidly think ahead of what you're trying to vocalize.

When I have to work things out I might rubber duck internally. but it just sounds like I'm declaring functions and variables and drawing a conclusion.

Wait not everyone has a running internal monolog? For real? You have like moments of silence instead then? I'd give anything to have that power.

That never ending inner monologue is why you're depressed you don't know how to live in the moment you are trapped In thought when you should be using thought when you need to solve problems you shouldn't be living in it. Learn to stop it and you will learn what relaxation and being an actual person in the moment is. Stop engaging when those thoughts come let them go and eventually you will regain control over your inner self.

I think in both. And it's always on 24/7. What does this mean? Pic related.

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In ancient greece it was considered a superpower if you could read and understand text without reading it out loud.

I have an inner monologue, and I'm not depressed. Your theory is false.

I feel like that inner speech kinda slows me down, it's not the most efficient thought process at all.
This would also explain why I don't mind being alone, I don't need people to put my thoughts into words.

Those ( ( ( A BS T RAC T ) ) ) things you call "concepts" are terms wich, obviously, have a meaning. Everything is language, logic and meaning. You can't even tell what this concept thing is, the most you can do is search in a dictionary or in some philosophical speculation.

Then it's not never ending, you turn it on or off

Or

You are depressed and have been so long you don't know what depression feels like anymore, you think it's normally. This one is more likely since you're on 4ch

This, I wish could stop the thoughts
sometimes.

The only times I don't have an internal monologue are when I am asleep or very distracted watching a show. Does that count as turning it off, even if it's involuntary?

Explain the concept of red.

Have you exercised? Played a sport? Ran or jogged long distance? Had sex? Swam? etc

Done anything long enough that your body took over and the thoughts stopped? Athletes call it getting in "the zone"
That's what not thinking feels like and you're supposed to be like that more than you're obsessively thinking

It's to the point where I don't really feel like a being. The way I think of myself is as a colony of life that depend on each other to further their own survival.
My desires aren't always the same as my body or brain's. I want to learn things, but I don't want to put in the effort. I want to lose weight, but I don't want to stop eating. I don't see any reason to think of myself as any kind of "being". If anything I'm a like a biological computer.

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How do people not do this? Organizing and planning thoughts in my head is so much easier if I think sentences in my head.

It counts. Sleep is the biggest one and why the stress from over thinking hasn killed you, you can get to a point where you can just decide to turn off thought and don't need distractions to do it. You can even get to the point where you're there so much it's the opposite, you're deciding to turn on thought, that took me much longer to reach

That's never happened to me, in fact it's the opposite. When I was running cross country in high school, my inner speech was the only thing keeping me from quitting races in the middle of them.

Yeah, this is the best way to describe it, but they constantly argue, I find myself screaming at them outloud sometimes to just shut up

Inner monologue-ers are all mad. I say this as someone with an inner monologue. The only time I've felt remotely sane is when I've silenced the voices with meditation

How can someone read a book or an online post without an inner voice reading the words "aloud"? I can't read something without my inner voice reading it "aloud" in my head, I can't NOT do it. Just scanning the page, I read out sparse bits of sentences that my eyes happen across

that is mental illness, please seek treatment

1. Red is to be shown, not to be explained.
2. Red is a term that refers to a specific color (that can be scientificaly explained and delimited form other objects of the category of colour). It has an extention that contains everything we can call red and an intention that represents our common representation of red.

Wait, what? What is the difference between this and thinking? Like what do they mean by inner speech? I've always had an inner speech thing from as far as I can remember and I just figured that was normal and the equivalent of thinking.

But there isn't any stress at all. If anything it relieves me from the silence of reality.

That's under the domain of pathological. Your inner voice is you, not other entities with different wills.

What is the difference between monologue and voice? Is the monologue like not related to you per say, as in you are not leading it and it's like a narrator?

I wouldn't call it mental illness, it's just when I get stressed or anxious or try to fall asleep my head rushes at 100mph and it's as if my brain can't make up its mind and argues with itself

I discuss ideas, abstract thoughts and problems like 80% of the time as a voice in my head especially when observing the outside world. I believed this would be normal but at the same time I already asked myself what's going on in other people's heads.

It might take a few tries but I guarantee this works.
Turn out the lights and sit in the dark until your mind is quiet
The thoughts will flood in, don't fight them but don't engage with them if you slip up stop engaging when you realize you've gone on a tangent
But notice that you are observing here
After a while of not engaging with the thoughts your mind will go into overdrive trying to force you to engage, you still do not but continue to notice that you are observing these attempts to think
Eventually your mind will give up and you will just be there, existing, in the moment with no inner monologue

Since you can observe it that means you are not your inner monologue, it's unnatural, something over thinking has conditioned you into thinking is supposed to always be there

I understand alot of the anons in this thread, but I think I understand you most of all. Every desire is like It's own program, not truly capable of thought, just of controlling various things in your body. And then there's me, the idiot who is for some reason in charge of everything, but doesn't really do much.

>all these npcs thinking their inner monologues aren't preprogrammed
we're all npcs you goofs, free will doesn't exist.

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You're not in charge though. Ever trace your line of thinking backwards to figure out where your thought came from? It came from nowhere.
Some part of your brain decides what you should be thinking about. On LSD I've had periods where I observed myself thinking. As in I was thinking something in a decent amount of detail, while observing those thoughts. To me it seems like the brain is capable of multiple lines of thoughts, and you can shift focus between them. Even the phrase "in the back of your mind" seems to suggest this. The way we label things are incredibly important to our thinking.

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"Free will is having the ability to pro-actively (passively and actively) propagate a course of action [based on need or desire] for the purpose of gaining or altering an aspect of owns own perception or position within an environment that one is [willingly or unwillingly] subjected to. Even to the extent of completely removing oneself entirely, so that no action needs to be taken, which in turn will create a new environemt or position that must be traversed by the individual with his free will"

logic begs to differ. contest me

>1. Red is to be shown, not to be explained.
Yeah but
>Everything is language, logic and meaning.
What is red and how is it different from blue?

Similar to the other response, , if anything like jogging, driving, or similar long taking things, I'm thinking the whole time. When jogging or driving, it's usually stuff not even related to the task, just shit to pass time, usually in a voice type thing asking and answering questions, or just making statements, etc.

Yep same, I'm always thinking whenever I cycle, I've even fallen off a few times from where I've just kinda zoned out into my thoughts and hit the curb

I wish I didn't have an inner monologue, pretty sure my life would have went differently if I wasn't overthinking about everything

I know what it's like trust me, but there are a plethora of things people use to "get in the zone" I don't feel anything watching asmr but from what people who like it describe, that's what it does for them. You reminded me of another common one, driving. When a lot of people drive a route they've taken countless times like going to work for example, it's common for them to blank out and barely remember even driving there. Anything that gives you that is an example and you can learn to cultivate that so your inner monologue doesn't run your life

So does that type of stuff count as inner speech/monologue?

Is that the actual definition? That's not the meaning of "Free" at all.
It just sounds like a lot of coping.
Humans can't ever be free being limited by their bodies, knowledge, language etc.
Even their wills are limited by these factors, am I missing something?
It just comes off as, "You're stuck in a bondage suit, but you have the free will to get fucked or run"

I have like 3 different personalities talking to me within my mind, what does this mean

I agree with most of what you say, but I disagree on the in charge part. While other parts of my mind may be the root cause of a thought, where I take it is my decision. As example, I may become hungry and think about eating because of some part of my mind recognizes they were low on nutrients and should eat, however I could just ignore it for absolutely no other reason than stubbornness. I may not be in control of the specifics of every movements I make, but I do decide where I move and for what reasons.

Its like the other parts of my mind decide what should be discussed, but I make the final ruling on what we should do.

I've gotten in fights with parts of my mind that are to annoyingly persistent. With enough prolonged willpower I can silence or at least quiet any part of my mind. But I've never once had the feeling any of them could do the same to me. I've even created mental constructs to suppress for me, but they as well could never suppress "me". It's like being in an unreachable position. If I want I can just stop and let things move on their own, and things tend to work better when I do as long as it's something that I'm well practiced in. But I'm still in charge.

I used to have a chaotic inner monologue beyond my control like many here, but I silenced it.

I'm still a robot cause I have no motivation, I'm better at destroying than creating, but hey I still feel waaay more at peace than I used to.

>two threads on consciousness in one evening
I didn't see there was an identical thread on Jow Forums as this:
If you check out that thread, you will find that I published some rather important comments on this topic, that I will simply link to:
I will gladly answer any questions you have about these claims, preferably in the other thread for the sake of neatness.

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Sure, they could, but could they be translated by me into words? There's often cases where I think in rather abstract ways, and have no idea how to make my thoughts make sense to somebody else, because there are no words, and only maybe 75% of the things I want to say I can articulate, especially in a technical sort of conversation, or one where I have a well developed intuition (unless I'm doing directly logical things, in which case I think in words and solid, non-amorphous concepts).

Are people who dont have an inner monologue even people?

Sure, every now and then I get in the 'zone' and my head might stop talking. But that's rare, and if you are like that all the time you're barely even conscious. No better than an animal.

I'm sorry but how do you expect me to take you seriously when you don't have an inner monologue. That's just begging me to call you stupid.

It's actually considered a higher level of consciousness but I was trying to keep it completely practical here. Never ending inner monologue is a lower level mode of consciousness, you're stuck in problem solving mode if you've forgotten how to shut it off. This is a large part of the reason why people like hallucinogenics they force you out of that mode.

I can't even watch shows and movies, it's so annoying sometimes

Link for those interested:
psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pristine-inner-experience/201110/not-everyone-conducts-inner-speech

i got into the tulpa thing back in 2012 and dropped it 6 months later but it literally taught me how to do inner monologue. it was very strange when i started clearly thinking in words, i dont think i ever did it before that happened. inner monologue is something you can learn if my anecdote is anything to go by

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I have constant debates in my head and I'm a brainlet

This. When i had depression, the only way i found to escape the thoughts was sleeping

My gf is currently experiencing depression and sleeps 12h+ a day, does she have internal monologue going on all the time?

This explains a lot about nonwhites

Fuck off buddha you're full of shit