>Being a cute girl with mediocre make-up skills, a camera, and no self-respect; is valued more by modern society than most professional careers or intellectual pursuits. (as exhibited by the free-market)
>tee-hee why do I need to go to college, get a job, or marry someone when I can just take slutty pictures and eventually camwhore for lonely men in India! Then I'll just be a cool wine aunt!
It's over gentlemen. While it will never be clearly vocalized, society as a whole, has unanimously agreed that truth, divinity, and exploration are no longer our preferred path. We now walk the path of oblivion and eventual extinction.
>pretty girls are popular Wow, thanks for the news update.
Owen Gray
>loser mad he needs to waste years of his life studying boring shit to get his med or law degree, when girls have inherent value and can get money just by existing Stay angry incel, I'm gonna keep giving them money because cute things are cute
Blake Robinson
Welcome to capitalism; the money you get is no longer connected to the (use) value you create.
David Martin
What's different now is that it can be more effectively monetized with little upfront capital investment and little true effort.
In the past, you either needed an entire infrastructure of photographers, magazine editors, agents, advertising salespeople, porn film directors, etc. to help you monetize your mediocre good looks, OR you had to actually touch some really shit-tier men to be a stripper, etc.
Cam-whoring has much lower barriers to entry, and requires none of that infrastructure (Google and Apple have replaced all of it) and requires no actual touching.
This has set off a stampede into this field.
You know how people say that as jobs are automated out of existence, new jobs are created to take their place? That's actually true. Unfortunately, this time around it seems like the jobs that are created will be "post-service" jobs, that will utterly debase whatever remaining good there is within us, and will leave us in a worse nightmare landscape than even the dystopians imagined.
Jack Russell
oblivion is for sure because you can tell people don't give a shit.
Brody Foster
>Welcome to capitalism; the money you get is no longer connected to the (use) value you create.
Cam-whoring is a pretty direct and friction-free way to exchange value. You can try to argue that this isn't a "use" value, but that requires you to be utterly arbitrary in your definition of "use".
Jack Adams
>as exhibited by the free-market you're not considering life time earnings. the average career as an Instagram model is probably like a year or two
>intellectual pursuits posting about nihilism on Jow Forums does not make you an intellectual. especially when you copy other people's memes. get a doctorate and get an academic job. its an amazing lifestyle that society values highly
Nolan Watson
I know this is an attempt at a troll post user, but I can feel the sadness and despair in your post, for you know on some level how truly far we have fallen.
what you haven't explained is how any of this is a problem? we get nice pictures to look at for free, seems like a good thing to me. Are you just mad that it's not fair? This is hardly the biggest example of that.
Chase Robinson
> no longer connected to the (use) value you create when was it ever?
Luke Ward
>You can try to argue that this isn't a "use" value, but that requires you to be utterly arbitrary in your definition of "use".
You've got a point there; I guess what I should of said is that the work contained in what she's doing doesn't really justify the money she makes. But is a show of symptom of society, why do people give her money, are they that lonely that they have to pay a glorified cam-whore to feel some semblance of emotional connection?
Are people so alienated today or is it just another case of 'Horny Bastards' Syndrome.
Jaxon Evans
>Are you just mad that it's not fair? This is hardly the biggest example of that. No. It is setting a precedent for female culture that will effectively destroy humanity. Billions of lives strived and toiled across history not only to survive, but to STRIVE toward something greater. To discover the secrets of the soul and the enigmas of the universe. The camwhore epidemic is setting a precedent that sprints in the opposite direction of greater truth and noble pursuits, and acts as a sexual drug that subjugate man to his lesser primal sexual nature. We will not recover from this.
At the latest up to the 1950s; where work was proportional to value created, but when you can reproduce work instantly and infinitely that when the link starts to get weaker.
Austin Scott
>oh no some girls are sluts on camera >this is the end of civilization Only on Jow Forums
Dominic Martin
I hate educated women. A bitch needs to do as she's told not question my will.
Christopher Sanders
>female culture What did he mean by this
Carter Taylor
This industry grew from $0 to double-digit billions in less than 8 years. Do not think something is innocuous simply because it is prevalent.
Cameron Baker
We've been through periods of decadence before but we shall not overcome this one.
Lucas Morris
>virgin robot >chad cam whore lmao
Matthew Lee
What are you having trouble understanding there fella?
Nicholas Parker
>precedent for female culture You what?
> that will effectively destroy humanity You guys are like those christian left behind doomsday people, you just can't stop fantasizing about the end of the world, and how righteous it will be when god swoops in and cleans up all the degeneracy. Just stop and think for a second about how you're deluding yourself with this line of thought. It's not what's going to happen, it's what you wish would happen because you feel victimized.
>The camwhore epidemic is setting a precedent that sprints in the opposite direction of greater truth and noble pursuits Why are you focusing specifically on camwhores who are totally out of everyone on r9k's league. Couldn't you make this argument better by focusing on any or all of the other types of porn?
Having porn, anime, etc. freely available is a great thing for autists and ugly men. We at least get to feel some satisfaction and emotional fulfillment. Without it there would just be an endless grind of work.
Gabriel Adams
It is this way because predominantly men buy into it. These women provided an answer to consumer demands of amateur porn. Dont even act like men didnt have the majority of the hand in creating this
Landon Ross
This is the hell thirsty thot enablers created
You have no one to blame but yourselves
Landon Powell
Im having trouble with the insane scale of your hyperbole. There are a lot of private women who live their private lives living a life like most would. But I guess it is easier to say all women are whores that are bringing down mankind
Isaac Parker
>These women provided an answer to consumer demands of amateur porn. That isn't the point. You are correct that men created this monster. It wasn't a woman who coded these website, own these companies/services, or thought of this idea. It was men *cough* jews*cough*. I completely agree.
What a shitty viewpoint, you should honestly be hung from the neck. And this is coming from someone who has had plenty of girlfriends and lives with one.
Christopher Baker
tl;dr Post more pictures of this tiny whore
Luke Hill
>monster Dude the camwhore business is a mostly exclusive and discrete business. You can go all your life avoiding it, and it wouldnt be a lifestyle choice like having a dietary restriction. The same goes for women; they can keep it out of their lives. Most already do.
Michael King
We're dealing with statistics and hypothetical economic and cultural predictions (gathered from the current industries rapid success, current cultural zeitgeist, dissolving cultural relationship between men and women from traditional gender roles and expectations). This is called "Speculation Theory".
Are all women to blame? No, of course not. Is there still a problem that continues to grow unchecked. Yes there is. Perhaps you need to stop being so defensive about your own sex and realize this problem transcends sex.
>It's over gentlemen. While it will never be clearly vocalized, society as a whole, has unanimously agreed that truth, divinity, and exploration are no longer our preferred path. We now walk the path of oblivion and eventual extinction. i discuss this more in my 12 part youtube series remember to like/subscribe/support me on patreon
>Dude the camwhore business is a mostly exclusive and discrete business. You can go all your life avoiding it, and it wouldnt be a lifestyle choice Ah, yes. just like that malignant tumor that grows just out of sight and reach that you never notice. Yet, it poisons your body against itself. Slowly at first. Then you visit the doctor with a headache, and your family is putting you in the ground the next week.
women who do those stupid poses look just as bad as those nu-males and their open mouths
Cooper Diaz
fuck off Styx, you have Elizabeth all over your dick
Wyatt Bennett
Youtube is a watered down version of cam-whoring, and in many cases "ASMR videos/Make-Up tutorials" it is the exact same thing. It serves absolutely no utility to society (except to put advertisements in front of potential consumers).
There are less than a dozen exceptions to this statement across the entire Youtube platform.
> We at lest get to feel some satisfaction and emotional fulfillment. You're not supposed to feel that if you're not worthy.
Gabriel Roberts
Why does your definition of who is and isn't "worthy" matter? Isn't it in the interests of both the individual and society at large that everyone feels some degree of satisfaction in their lives? If all satisfaction in life is lacking, people won't be able to find the motivation to be productive, and will not contribute to the society.
Michael Campbell
The motivation should be the reward of "satisfaction and emotional fulfillment" you get after your hard work.Masturbation is just an easy out to get a glimpse of that feeling without the work put in to it.
Nathan Jenkins
>divinity okay that's retarded
Oliver Nelson
There's a reason (literally) almost every single religion in the world has some type of celibacy clause for members of their order. The ones who no longer have to adhere to celibacy, that is a very recent development. Like less than a 100 years.
John Hall
So I should just put "hard work" into curing my literal autism and ugly facial bone structure?
Or I could put my hard work into things I can actually be good at, and make a living doing that. Oh wait, that's what I've already been doing for a decade. Tell me again why I don't deserve to feel good.
Gabriel Richardson
>Why does your definition of who is and isn't "worthy" matter? It doesn't. Evolution's definition however....You may be a lost cause and will never breed. That isn't the problem. The problem is when this practice becomes full on mainstream/normie status. Then it will effectviely sibstitite for the affection and sexual reward that capable and evolutionary fit males woul;d have otherwise gotten from actual women in real life situations.
This isn't about your orgasms user. This is about the future of humanity.
You haven't laid out any possible progression for your idea to be realized. It sounds like you're just fantasizing without even thinking it through. Why would normies suddenly stop forming relationships and watch a camwhore instead?
On the other end of the spectrum, I think there is value that "evolutionary dead ends" can bring to society. Many of us can and do make big contributions to the projects and businesses we work on. Since we are unable to find social satisfaction irl, we can find it in media, and that gives us motivation to continue onward. And here we have some ill-informed kid on r9k implying that it would be better to just ban all kinds of porn and live in a totalitarian state that controls everything - all so that failed normies become more motivated to ask out women who don't want them in the first place.
Jordan Flores
What's her instagram OP. You got me in this thread, now take responsibility.
Tyler Rogers
Why would normies suddenly stop forming relationships and watch a camwhore instead? >Evolution always takes the path of least resistance that ensures completion of our biological imperitatives.
Ex. >I'm hungry >There is a burger on the table in front of me >There is a burger a 20 minute drive away >It's a better burger, but the drive is annoying and you have to wait in line and talk to the casheir when you check out >70% of the time you choose the burger in front of you, and save the better burger for special occasions 30% of time
Replace hunger with "sexual reproduction", and your first-world population just decreased 70%. In a single generation.
What a shame. This guy has a decent facial structure but it's ruined by the shitty pedo stache and his fivehead which is even further accentuated by his horrid haircut. If he dropped the glasses as well and fixed the previous, he could even look decent. Shame.
Luis Perry
I know this is Jow Forums and the standards aren't really high here concerning self-respect or intelligence, but you're pushing new boundaries for being a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Your argument boils down to: >As long as I'm comfortable and don't have to think or worry too much about the implications of our current culture, I'll be happy until I die! So who cares ab out the next generation!
People like you are the EXACT reason that people who don't procreate should NOT be allowed to vote in elections.
if men didn't encourage this shit, it wouldn't exist. stop worshipping fucking stacey for thirty seconds and realize that your rotting moid brain is just enabling her with your worthless orbiting.
Landon Stewart
No. Cam-whoring is unethical because it is abusing mens involuntary sexual instinct to massive profit.
I'm am honestly of the opinion manipulating men through sex is immoral and should be placed on the same level as date rape drugs. Men are weak.
Julian Brooks
does this roastie have a single image where her tongue isnt sticking out?
William Bailey
Nearly a billion years worth of evolution would disagree with you. "Viewership Culture" is effectively a drug, and like all drugs causes addiction that can ruin a person's potential and life.
Except this addiction is programmed into our DNA sicne we were single cell organism. >1.5 billion B.C. >be single cell prokaryotic >drifting through the primordial ooze >"I must fuck"
You can not expect man to fight his primal instincts/programming and not consume this service. The male psyche is driven by a need to reproduce, this fixation is not only sated by the Camwhore industry, but keeps them coming back for more instead of searching for a mate or meaningful social relationship.
But relationships still come with numerous social benefits that watching porn doesn't provide. You burger analogy doesn't hold up since they're very similar, while looking at porn and having a real relationship are very different in terms of their individual and societal rewards. Of course people will put more effort into something with greater potential rewards, why does that suddenly stop just because camwhores?
>Replace hunger with "sexual reproduction", and your first-world population just decreased 70%. In a single generation. sauce. Also I still don't understand why you've singled out cam-whores here when there are much bigger factors like general porn, fear of alimony and false accusations, creep shaming, metoo etc.
>Your argument boils down to: >As long as I'm comfortable and don't have to think or worry too much about the implications of our current culture, I'll be happy until I die! So who cares ab out the next generation! No it doesn't, when society does well we all benefit. I've outlined why it's good to allow free access to media and porn and the benefits it provides by motivating people on the fringes of society to be more productive. Meanwhile, you're arguing for a totalitarian government that heavily restricts the internet and doles out heavy handed punishments, which is the only way to achieve what you want. You want to transform society into an authoritarian hellhole just so you might hypothetically have a greater chance of reproducing, and you're accusing me of being shortsighted? It's not the end of the world if our birth rate dips, we need to import both skilled and unskilled workers in order to keep up with market demands anyway.
Levi Johnson
you were born ugly. your only two options are to find a way to become attractive despite your genetic limitations or to become a bitter fag that complains on a board.
>why isn't life easy? life is hard even for attractive successful men because they keep pushing their limits. what's your excuse?
Tyler James
A man who doesn't give a fuck about whether his actions are detrimental towards men as a whole is based and redpilled.
Josiah Gomez
Oh, and I forgot to mention, birth rates dip sharply everywhere in the world where the middle class rises sharply. With or without any sort of local cam-whores or porn business. i.e. even in places where porn is technically restricted or outright banned. It appears this is an economic effect independent of the particular culture of the country in question.
Sebastian Anderson
OP here. I'm self employed/successful less than 2 years out of college, intelligent (tested high Iq, summa cum laude double major), 6' tall, masculinbe, handsome, home owner at 25 y.o, have been with many women and am currently with my long-term gf.
I'm doing just fine. I worry about the Jow Forums's of the world.The ripples of the current self-gratification/social media/disconnected consumer culture will not affect me, and probably not my children directly. So why do I care? Because I care about the long term survival of our species. If we continue down this path, unregulated and laissez faire, we will not survive the next century. All the work my, and your, ancestors did to get us here. To this spot, today right now, will be for naught. They faced starvation, animal attacks, disease, brutal wars, and the harsh realities of this world and SURVIVED. Now, ironically, it will all end in an excess of pleasure, because men can't stop pulling their dick and women don't have the self-respect to not strip and flaunt their bodies.
>With or without any sort of local cam-whores or porn business. i.e. even in places where porn is technically restricted or outright banned. Oh, like Saudi Arabia right? >pic related
I wasn't talking about SA, no. But the way some of you talk, it sounds like you wish we were more like them. In my mind SA is almost the absolute opposite of everything a country should aspire to be.
Here's a graph, the single biggest factor in lowering birth rates is GDP per capita. If low birth rates is your issue, maybe you need to switch off of camwhores and advocating to fuck the economy over and make everyone poor again so that girls will fuck you?
>when society does well we all benefit >you're arguing for a totalitarian government Not the user you are arguing with but you have a shallow interpretation of the traditionalist ideal. We have reached an evolutionary singularity in the neolithic era. This means that every aspect of mankind today is made to survive in that habitat. To achieve maximum fulfilment you must adhere to the ways of that habitat. Anabolics, endorphins, oxytocin, the list goes on. You cannot betray your nature unless you change what your nature is. And we have simply not achieved that level of technology. Our impulsive nature has led us on a never ending tangent that we will never recover from. Society is a mere manifestation of this. I could go on but this is the gist.
I wasn't arguing against an ideal, I'm arguing against the actual policy implications of an idea. You can say porn is bad and people shouldn't watch it. That's fine, but that won't change a thing and nobody will care. You want to change it, you have to enforce it, and to enforce it you have to become a totalitarian state, because there's no way you're getting elected with a platform like that.
Kayden Reed
I don't have an issue with porn personally. I have 300+ pictures of naked women including women(men) on my phone. Such are the things we need to cope in such times. If I had qt oogaboogas in loose furs to oggle, I wouldn't need all this porn. The idea is that porn is part of the degenerative nature of the current time. It just seemed like you assumed traditionalism is all about being some tight assed christian conservative.
James Nguyen
I've got no beef with conservatives as long as they're not trying to take my rights and freedoms away, or are advocating for positions I believe will lead to worse societal outcomes. Same as leftists or anyone else.
Charles Garcia
humans were degenerates and will continue to be degenerates. be a noble man and thrive from them.
don't act like you give a shit about humanity because you really don't. common just admit it.
Nicholas Young
I know a girl who is a camgirl. I basically get to be her good little beta bitch. I am taking her shopping in a few days. The stories she tells me about her boyfriend are so fucking hot.
I really do hope the internet is demonetized into monthly subscriptions. Only because it will fuck over all these bitches exploiting disgusting degenerate men. I mean come on. Once people have to choose between YouTube, Netflix and Instagram is when they'll wake the fuck up and stop being slaves.
Sebastian Gutierrez
Purpose is derived from the hope that man will one day find harmony. Feeding off your brother is not noble, it is cowardly. For a capable man that chooses the self-serving path is a coward in the face of the last good fight he'll ever know.
NTA, but I live in a east-european shithole with a very low GDP, and we still got declining birth-rates
Gavin Martin
Ok, but just the fact that it has declined means nothing on its own. What is the rate of decline, and how does that rate compare to places that have seen a massive GDP per captia increase?
Nathan Gutierrez
You social media bots aka gen z did this Any attractive girl can turn on a camera and make a living if she has a personality she can get wealthy don't blame her for choosing the smart path, we have another 8-10yrs before that bubble explodes
Henry Roberts
Intellectual pursuits were never a goal humanity strove for, it was always the individuals who made leaps in those areas. Mankind as a whole has always been mostly idiots and degenerates. Yes, it is stupid that a woman can make shit tons of money just for masturbating in front of a camera, and yes the effort to reward ratio is highly disproportionate, but I doubt it'll have as much impact on society as you say. There have always been various other minor forms of prostitution not involving actual sex acts, this is just a continuation of it.
Ryan Murphy
I don't find the pic in the OP particularly cute. Just my opinion.
Jose Rivera
if you act like you love everyone you love no one. your statements are true but they apply to your family and friends. to worry about people who are not even born yet is stupid. we are not eternal under any circumstance.
Christian Johnson
And the Jow Forums "Pleb Opinion of the Day" goes to: >if you act like you love everyone you love no one. your statements are true but they apply to your family and friends. to worry about people who are not even born yet is stupid. we are not eternal under any circumstance.
Congratulations user. It was a real close call at the end there between the "blacked" and "cucked" threads on Jow Forums, but you managed to pull ahead at the last moment with a TREMENDOUS burst of faggotry and you secured the title as "Biggest Pleb on Jow Forums 9/22/2018".
Do you have any comments for the other foolish shitposting faggots that look up to a spastic brain-damaged funnyman such as yourself?
