Or is it a product of trauma and social conditioning?
What about dominant women?
I have a good example from my life:
>Me and my friend went through very similar childhood and adolescence
>He is a dom and pretty alpha, I'm a subby bitch-boy (most people don't know)
Also, please state if you are a sub male, or a dom female.
If you are a normalfag / normalbitch, you can state it also.
Let's have a comfy talk about these things.
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Men are in power in the real life so they want to be submissive in sex
Sub males are inherently flawed broken men. Enjoy your Blacked.com subscription I guess
I'm a dom female. Always attributed it to the fact that I have a pretty masculine personality to begin with.
Who hurt you?
These words speak only of your own pain, nothing more.
You know I'm right.
How far does that go?
Does it affect the way you dress?
What kind of males are you attracted to?
i just want a girl to beat me up so i can consensually rape her in self defense
>have added 5 fembots on discord in the last few months
>all of them claim to be dom
>most robots here claim to be sub
I think I see a connection.
Clothes, not really--I have short hair but I dress in a typical female professional style at work. Otherwise I just wear comfortable clothing at home.
I like introverted, well-meaning men, 'cute'men. Preferably not very self-sufficient; I wouldn't mind providing for a house husband as long as they weren't a NEET when I met them.
That's interesting.
I wouldn't want to be a house husband, rather, I'd want a dominant housewife.
Ideally, my online business would provide money for the family.
When it comes to other things, I'd want my wife to boss me around (in a loving way).
There is no naturally submissive and dominant. Men can be either one. A submissive man can learn to be dominant just as a dominant man can learn to be submissive. There was a study on I think mole rats that showed this. It was in the book a billion wicked thoughts.
this
no one is naturally anything, for the most part. There are a few exceptions though.
>was a sub guy
>this pushed girls away
>became as dom as I could
>now I can get girls
But the fantasy is shattered.
How did you become more dom?
Do you hate yourself now?
Hey please still be here
I am still here young blood.
Please let me get to know you
Women don't like desperation. Doesn't matter if they're subs or doms.
Trust me, ideally, you need to care less, but even pretending to care less will do something.
Okay now please let me get to know you
What would you like to know? Why don't you tell me about yourself, user?
>put myself "out there" socially
>failed for many years
>got to the point where I don't give a fuck what people think
>can now speak with confidence (and not have to fake it)
>moved on to women (had fucked up a couple attempts in the past)
>fumble the first couple times out of nervousness
>now have a gf
>take charge in the bedroom, fuck the shit out of her, change her position, etc
I'm lucky because my girl has some gfd tendencies, like shoving my face between her tits, holding my head in while making out and pulling me back/not letting me go. But when the clothes come off, it's up to me.
I don't hate myself now, in fact, I'm glad that I managed to change myself to the point where I'm functioning and can have an active sex life. That just wasn't possible before because I was too timid. The only thing I hate is that I have to let go of my fantasy of being an inexperienced male who gets shown the ropes by a caring dom. But giving up those fantasies is part of the deal when it comes to accepting reality.
Honestly this is something I'm curious about. I have a slight femdom fetish. I enjoy ballbusting which is the kink for having your balls abused by a woman.
I'm pretty dominant in real life. But I've always found the want to submit to women even before puberty. I put myself below most every woman but above every man. Even when I'm having a ballbusting session though I dont feel like I'm in the submissive role. I cant shake the feeling of being in control of the sitauation.
I think it has a lot to do with how much female attention they recieved in during their puberty years when that kind of thing developed.
When I was young, and not an idiot tripfag on a basket weaving forum, girls basically only talked to me to treat me like shit for fun, so I developed into a submissive idiot who craves the attention and affection he never had.
Funny how it works.
Opposite scenario for me. I was always given good attention and surrounded by female friends. I didnt care for Male friends at all. And I was never single longer than a few weeks
Im
How would it feel coming home to a clean house, fully stocked fridge and the delicious smell of a home cooked meal every evening after a long day at the office?
I am a shy loser with no friends that goes to work and comes home to play video games without much direction in life. I would like to know what you are like and what kind of things you do.
You still say you're largely dominant though. I'm talking about 100% submissive types who would probably be nonfunctional in a dominant role.
Wonderful, I'm sure. Better if I had someone's face to use as a couch cushion.
That is true. I think that more to do.with my upbringing. I could never show submissiveness towards men or coworkers because my parents always reinforced confidence
But if a woman was willing to play the dom role I'm sure we could push me into submission. Its just my wife is submissive so her playing the role is the same as me playing my role
Would you fuck someone else at ypur work and bring me home creampies to eat, and then give me a footjob?
Hmm, that sounds really good.I am definitely down for that.
Why do cuck faggots exist
Absolutely disgusting
Why do you feel the need to shame them. Their fetish doesnt hurt you
Not really into cuckolding, sorry. You're free to worship my feet though.
Hey dom girl if you're not completely ghosted by the cuck then shoot me an email or something
I dont care if something directly affects me stupid ass. I am more than willing to be intrusive about things that disgust me
Answer this now people
Sorry, missed it.
I am a research scientist who works too much. Hobbies are games and drawing.
So you're saying that a subby house husband could please you sexually?
That's interesting.
How do you like to cum?
Also do research here. Do not wanna date or anything but do you wanna be friends and sorry out about science together?
Whoops, outed as phone posting. That should say sperg not sorry
Do you have any rape fantasies?
Fuck you. She replied to me you bully
Of course. Clitoral stim is the only thing that does it for me. I would think a gentle subby man would excel at that.
Sure, what's your field?
>Sure, what's your field?
Fartology.
I believe male masochism is an inborn paraphilic mental disorder
Possibly genetic. I'd definitely like male masochistic femdom fetishists to be studied for some kind of common gene that might be attributable to their sexual disorder
The reason I'm convinced it's inborn is that I had these fantasies since before I knew what porn or Masturbation is, since the very early beginnings of puberty, like age 9 or 10
Still waiting for my email... I'm a great chef. Believe it.
FUCK YOU stupid researcher chad faggot
My husband has those too but they stem from trauma.
Definitely wasn't "born with it".
Replied.
Are you upset?
I'm a woman. I'm dominant in life, but usually not when it comes to sex. But I can be. I honestly don't think that sex HAS to be about dom/sub all the time and the roles are set in stone. Sometimes you are feeling dominant, sometimes you are feeling submissive. Just my experience. When it comes to real life, you are either one or the other, however when it comes to sex it can go either way, depends on my mood.
It's genetics and environment. Women, and certain kinds of men, are genetically more prone to emotions than others. They are particularly sensitive to negative emotions in a way others are not.
The standard psychological response to trauma is to find a strong, concrete base of protection and comfort - this almost always is in the form of another person, although it can be an inanimate object such as a teddy bear. Sensitive people do not like change, so they will seek a kind of protection that they are used to, most commonly in the form of a parent figure. Women have been surrounded by strong men all their lives, so they naturally desire a man who is stronger, taller and less emotional than they are. For men who have been raised by women, the inverse happens and they look for a mother-figure. This is the cause of the /gfd/ phenomenon.
The act of domination is a kind of ritual - both parties are being assured that the dominant partner is still strong, powerful and in control.
So why are some men in particular more prone to submissive behaviours? Some men are born with a highly sensitive gene. This makes them less prone to dopamine, which means they like to be left alone and don't enjoy the company of others as much. It also makes them more emotional, which as said makes them more sensitive to depression. They often pursue a pair-bonding mating strategy and feel naturally repulsed by promiscuity.
Lastly, it's important to note that your sensitivity to dopamine and negative emotions can be modified - testosterone naturally reduces empathy and raises dopamine receptivity. It gears you towards more of a tournament-mating strategy, where you want to just have sex with as many women as possible with as little attachment as possible. You will also feel more rewarded by gaining social status, achieving goals and being popular etc. So if you want to stop being submissive, increase your testosterone.
That's all for this wall of text.
Responded plz bee real
Yes
I am sick of normalfaggot chads stealing the girls that respond to me
Be my girlfriend female
Not here to take your gf I just want a friend to hang out with and talk about science
I do theoretical evolution technically but most of the practical work is in the realm of biochem. You can add me on discord if you would like: Shotdown#9316
sounds legit
whats /gfd/ mean?
also how do even get more testosterone naturally isnt it just a meme
>When it comes to real life, you are either one or the other
I am neither "in real life"
Give me your contact info bullyfag
Sometimes I think about how comfy it would be to have a dom gf, particularly one who is not as good looking as me that I could still be attracted to (pic related), but just into normal tier femdom things (facesitting, feet stuff, etc), no gay cuck shit or dressing up in leather. but then I realize that women simply dont respect submissive men or men who do housework (studies have shown), so its just a fantasy. Plus I own my own place now and am finding it difficult to trust a woman enough to bring her into my fold. Particularly in Canada where common law marriage is taken very seriously by our feminist courts, I could basically lose the financial progress that I made by saving during my 20s to buy my condo.
Still comfy to think about, at least
/gfd/ is gentle femdom, a popular sexual fetish. Instead of dopamine-related sex (activities such as whipping and ball-busting), the fetish prioritises emotional-bonding, skin-contact (hugging) and "gentle", empathetic domination where the submissive partners feelings are taken into account. Physical emphasis is often placed on maternal traits, such as large breasts and soft skin, and dominant traits, such as tanned-skin, muscles and height (pic related).
Although most of them don't realise it, they want exactly the same from a woman as a modern woman wants from a man. People born with a highly-sensitive gene who have been raised by a single-mother (in other words having been raised with no other strong "anchor" figure) are prone to this fetish.
Raising testosterone is done by tough, intense workouts, succeeding in competition (such as banter, sports, resource-gathering and social-status). Certain herbs such as Ashwaganda naturally increase receptivity to testosterone. Others such as Forskolin release more testosterone.
Lastly, there is a difference between testosterone and DHT, dihydroterstosterone. The latter is far more powerful. It grows your dick, lowers your empathy, makes you bald and grows your body and facial hair. You cannot have DHT without a lot of testosterone to begin with, but you can increase your receptivity to DHT through different means.
I recognise myself a lot in what you said about submissive males.
My T levels are good, I don't think much can be changed here.
I'm an emotional sweet guy.
On the other hand, because I'm easy to hurt, I also have also learned to turn off my empathy in great pain.
Ironically, I am capable of utilising violence easily, when needed.
>women simply dont respect submissive men or men who do housework (studies have shown),
not all, some women do
particularly damaged women
u just gotta look in the right places
I hate to break it to you, but if you are not dominant socially, that means you are submissive. Leader/follower mentality. You are either one or the other.
Full weight face sitting is hot. Her beautiful cheeks just carelessly smothering you as her body is totally relaxed. One of my hottest memories is my ex doing it without pants or patnies on, and my mouth was like locked against her anus and she literally sat on my face for like an hour watching her show as i repeatedly kissed and licked her butthole
Women's feet are beautiful. There are not many feelings that are better than a woman peeling off her socks to reveal her beautiful, soft, slightly moist, warm, tired feet and without anyone saying a word you know it's time for you to go plant loving kisses on them and massage them.
Eating pussy is top tier. Having those soft thighs wrapped around your face.... oh man is it nice. I like kissing her beautiful feet after she cums.
I'm a sub male but I have the tard tism strength. I want to fully submit myself to a dom/yandere femoid somewhere in the future. But I'd settle for a sub, as long as my gf is ethnic.
yeah but it must be extremely rare
>men who do housework (studies have shown),
post a study that shows this because all studies I know show that marriages are happier and last longer when men do more housework
I'm a pretty submissive guy. Also only 5'9 and slim built, so I never come across as intimidating.
Pretty sure it contributed to me being a virgin at 28. I can get along with girls just fine, but they only see me as a friend.
I don't follow anyone, and no one follows me
This is the case with me as well. If I had to hazard a guess at your other traits, I would say you are highly-imaginative, enjoy emotional media such as music and film, and have a disdain for authority and social status. Have you ever worked in a company and found yourself irritated by the regulations and managers in a way others aren't? Do you have a disdain for normal people such as normies? Would you prefer to live in a closely-knit group, such as in a village or commune, than in a city with hundreds of other people?
If you want to become more dominant, I don't have any scientific evidence on ways to change your psychological mindset. What I do know is that emotional shutdown occurs in highly stressful environments (abused children and soldiers in combat zones often begin to display sociopathic behaviours), so if you want to actually feel alpha, then you have to place yourself in these kinds of situations and succeed. But if you are born with a highly sensitive gene, there is very little you can do to change it. You will always be more prone to emotion than others. I would recommend training yourself to avoid negative emotions (such as anxiety and stress) and try to move to a place with less people. In these environments, people naturally value each other more. This goes for women as well. Country-girls are a lot wiser and emotionally stable than their city counterparts.
>u just gotta look in the right places
what places?
I'm interested by the role you ascribe to dopamine in all this. On what do you base your claims?
studies which conclude that are extremely flawed, likely just pushed by some gender equality ideologue. Many studies have shown that women have less attraction to men who do housework, particularly if he does most or all of it.
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I need this question answered.
I am naturally a sub male, but I can take a dominant role quite easily if the situation calls for it I like to switch things up, otherwise it gets boring doing the same thing over and over.
I think that it's probably 95% environmental factors that cause sexual preference in terms of domination and submission. If it were purely genetics, then all submissive males should have submissive fathers too - but I don't think that is necessarily the case at all (you can tell just by their outward demeanor)
My best friend's little brother is one of those people that looks exactly like a short haired girl, he has really feminine features and if this was roman times he'd definitely be some senator's personal cum slut. He's so feminine looking that girls actually get jealous of him.
Apparently, or so I heard, he got raped by his Mexican stepmom and her boyfriend at the same time. It was so bad that he didn't talk to anybody for a good solid year and he had really bad agoraphobia. He recently got a job in the same branch as I do so I talk to him sometimes, but I never asked what specifically his stepmom and her boyfriend did to him. I imagine some pretty rough shit.
Not really. I don't like the idea of hurting my partner outside of a consensual context.
Where are you from?
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>This is the case with me as well. If I had to hazard a guess at your other traits, I would say you are highly-imaginative, enjoy emotional media such as music and film, and have a disdain for authority and social status. Have you ever worked in a company and found yourself irritated by the regulations and managers in a way others aren't? Do you have a disdain for normal people such as normies? Would you prefer to live in a closely-knit group, such as in a village or commune, than in a city with hundreds of other people?
What in the actual fuck, you guessed it too well.
There isn't much to add, but there is one thing:
>closely-knit group, such as in a village or commune
Yes, this is my life plan.
I want to start a small community somewhere far away from others.
We will all love and respect each other, never leave anyone behind, always help those in need.
This would be a rural cpmmunity, surrounded with nature.
We would live off land, mostly using permaculture, grpwing beautiful gardens filled with food.
Yes, you predicted it right.
I'm pretty sure most people who say they have "rape fantasies" don't mean literal rape. But then again, you said not really, so maybe if it were consensual roleplay?
I dont know this sound like bullshit to me,i will have to look it down
It's nice to meet a kindred spirit, but the honest truth is I wish I'd been proven wrong. I'm not to keen on predicting these behaviours because the more I do it, the more I'm right, and the more I'm right, the more boring and predictable human behaviour becomes.
I'll give you some more data relevant to you. One in five people are born with this particular gene. The advantage of it is in imagination and problem-solving - you will find yourself dissecting politics, religion or scientific ideas to a far higher degree than others. The disadvantage I have already explained.
If you want to group up with more people of your kind, I would recommend not attempting to alpha-up on them - don't be dominant or try to enforce your own ideas on them or they will naturally despise you. Appeal to their emotions and let them open up to you. Other people respond to dominance, but HSPs crave trust and emotional intimacy more than anything else.
Lastly, my own plan is to buy a sailboat. I already have about fifty grand saved up. After I've made a hundred, I'm leaving this shit society forever. I'll go to islands, talk to the people, maybe get a wife. In between times, I'll do whatever I feel like completely free of society and authority. I'm looking forward to it.
And now I'm going to bed.
>It's nice to meet a kindred spirit
shut the fuck up you fucking cringegod
Help him out by being his m8, he'd probably enjoy it if another guy treated him like a man, for a change. When you're a submissive male, the best thing for that is having a slightly less submissive male buddy that builds up your confidence, a bit.
We should've exchanged kik.
You still here?
I had to work my own gf into this surreptitiously as well, so I feel your pain. I got her into nursing handjobs and I told her I find her breasts "comforting" beyond just pure sexual reasons, and she now enjoys me sucking them waaay more than I used to.
The only problem is I still want there to be that proper gentle dominance from her, certain words, certain mannerisms, certain actions; but one way or another it always leads back to me taking over.
You like fat smelly guys?
yeah I find women dont really get the subtleties of dominance so you have to settle for chicks that just enjoy some of the femdom kinks
Think its just childhood trauma. Being submissive is a coping strategy if you were raised by sadists. Im sub and had a shitty upbringing where everyone took advantage of me.
Dont think theres such a thing as dom women irl is there? All women i met are sub in the bedroon
Submissive man
By the way, I'm a somewhat sub male.
As and were saying, you've gotta get 'em into it slowly, without ever explicitly saying the words. Girls get easily bothered over the "idea" of something they don't like the sound of. You simply create a different context for them and they'll probably start getting into it.
Either that or meet up with a chick from Jow Forums.
OP here.
One of my "mentors" is an evolutionary biologist.
I should probably ask him about this stuff, but I'm kinda embarassed.
sub male I guess but I am also asexual so I am a special case
Pls send pic of cute trap
>tfw 0 dominant females in NYC
such is life
I was really bummed out that my ex would never induldge my armpit or feet worship stuff. Super lame.
Armpit and feet stuff are pretty "vanilla" as far as kink stuff goes, so it's probably a good that she is your ex, user. Sounds close minded and boring.
Most women 99% arent into that stuff. Women most into boring vanilla shit. Lights off missionary.