Which therapy is better CBT or REBT?

hahaha ROFL

as they say
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink

>might thing CBT is more evolved than REBT.
newer doesn't mean better

How do I find a therapist?

pro tip all therapy is for the most part is your therapist telling you to do shit you wouldn't normally do

for me I just went to my primary care doctor and asked for a referral.

Is the enema with boiling tea a real thing? I've only seen cbt

what do you need one for specifically?

What finally helped me was a DNA test that found two mutations that were actually stopping antidepressants from working. As soon as we knew what was up, paired 7.5mg l-methylfolate with Vortioxetine, and my depression went away quickly. Therapy could not do that for me.

What is CBT and REBT.
Obligatory questionfag here.

Do you mean a meme test like 23andme? Or did your doctor actually order a DNA test? How did you manage that

>DNA tests
really scares me the implications those have,
like insurance companies having acess to them,
I think we should push for a law to make that illegal.

if something works it works.

Damn it was that easy? Took me over 4 years of trial and error for my schizophrenia

>schizophrenia
so what is that like exactly?

CBT. Really makes the cock and balls ache.

I don't have a primary care doctor

I dropped out of college recently

It wasn't because I couldn't handle the coursework, it's because I didn't make any friends and didn't talk to anyone

Also I want to transition but I am not gonna talk to some therapist about this

Isn't DBT typically for more serious mental disorders though, and it's almost always practised in a group
I need DBT but the whole group thing puts me off

For me it's like I had a second person in my head that could make me feel pain on command if I didn't do what it said. If I was in public you'd see me arguing with it as if I was talking to someone that wasn't there. At one point I had the thought that I didn't like the idea of getting raped so the second person in my head made me feel something going in my ass and throat and it really hurt

The test is called Genecept Assay. Tests for common markers, suspect mutations that may inhibit antidepressants, antipsychotics, painkillers, etc. to find more compatible and less side effects-prone meds out of the hundreds. It is a targeted and a bit expensive, was like 900$'ish) test, not some meme. A doctor scrubs your mouth for a DNA sample, then sends it to a lab in the US through specialized medical delivery. Then, in a week, the results come back.

I am not from the states, my insurance company has no access or even knowledge of the test, it was not passed through them.

>paying a normie $100+/hour just to listen to you

I'll save you the expense. Do more social things, volunteer, get a job and exercise. 90% of psychiatry is a placebo to make people feel like there's help. Then they'll push you pills at a guess that might help the symptoms of bigger underlying issues.

Any change has to come from within you, and some normie sitting in an armchair isn't going to be that change.

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>it's because I didn't make any friends and didn't talk to anyone
yeah if you dont do that the degree is pretty much worthless.

>It is a targeted and a bit expensive, was like 900$'ish
was that with insurance?

>Also I want to transition but I am not gonna talk to some therapist about this
I think by law you have to.

Bulgarian here. Our healthcare is cheap. There are no extra taxes. Did not even touch my insurer.
For comparison, a relative's total treatment cost for meningitis (a month in infection ward in the hostpital, 7 antibiotics daily) cost the equivallent of around 100$.

But he had insurance, without it would be 300ish, forgot to add.

I can't exactly pack up and move to Bulgaria.

PAS is the real shit niggas.

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>in what way?

CBT basically forces you to deal with issues you normally don't like thinking or dealing with. The therapist, if he's good slowly steers you towards those issues by targeted questions so you're finally able to confront them and learn about them.

Genecept Assay should be around this much anywhere, desu. You should ask around or google it. Your therapist or GP should be able to assist.
The lab is Genemind (US company), the company that parsed the test through I believe was NMGenomix. (EU-based company)

how do you find a good therapist?
how would you tell beforehand?

Sorry, just checked, GENOMIND, not GENEMIND.

CBT assumes that bad thoughts cause bad feelings which cause bad behavior. It addresses this by trying to replace bad think with good think. If you don't behave emotionally it can't help you.

>ow do you find a good therapist?
>how would you tell beforehand?

I guess I was just lucky on the first try. You have to try and see how things work out and how you feel after a couple appointments.

It's basically trial and error. I entertained the possibility to ask a friend in the head shrinking business for a recommendation, but never got around it. My depression got better after I got treatment for a medical issue discovered in a routine checkup. So I guess I'm kinda lucky.

its not shitty forced conversation, its a lot of practical scientificaly based techniques that actually work in statistics and irl.
You might find shitty therapist or people that present you CBT in wrong way and you might miss completely great therapy.
CBT is giant leap from Psychoanalysis (shit that Freud invented) where you basically just sit in chair and talk and therapist nods head and is telling you :"tell me more".
You might feel better for short time because of venting out but it doesn't solve any problems.

CBT (Cognitive based therapy) Cognitive means (way you think).
Imagine situation where 1 person kicks dog and 10 other people are observing same thing. 1 might cry, 1 might be angry, 1 might get depressed, other some mix of these emotions...etc

So question is why do all people in same scenario react differently?
Its because they all process same information in different way (they think in different way about same situation)So this is whole basis for therapy... in order to change the way you feel you have to change way you think about situation...
And your mind is quite good at distorting your thoughts, but you might think you are quite logical person and all but thats not the case that you discover when you are actually affected in situation.
So I am just giving brief introduction here, but basically it gives you techniques how to "discover" your negative (distorted) thinking and how to change it or to "rewire it".

It very interesting and you discover a lot about your self and how people are deluding themselfs into crap that isnt valid.

There are "succesful" people with a lot of money that suffer from depression just because they had one or more little dumb problems that they couldn't rationalize with themself.

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evidence based behavioral therapy. Dialectical behavioral therapy. It's all I practice for the last 4 years coupled with neurofeedback when needed.

You could argue that, since it's generally performed by psychiatrists/neuroscientists in clinical trials and not """"therapists"""""

You do not have to be in a group unless it's specific to your pathology, ie gSAD that's comorbid.

It's not cognitive based it's cognitive behavioral. It's better than Freudian shit, but only marginally effective. It's easy to train practitioners and cheap to treat patients.

In practice it involves asking you a lot of questions where you recount every awful feeling and experience you had. The counselor is listening for the bad thought at the root of the bad feeling and consequent bad behavior. It assumes you behave emotionally and that the problems are all in your head.

If you don't behave emotionally it can't help you. If your problems aren't in your head it's counterproductive.

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Do you have any experience with someone with a personality disorder doing DBT? And if so would you say it was effective?

It depends on the cluster, famalam.

DBT is statistically the most efficient form of psychotherapy for male patients, regardless.

REBT by default. I don't think cock and ball torture would be very good therapy at all

How does cluster B sound, am I doomed?
Also don't ever say famalam ever again please or I'll track you down and jam a tree branch down your throat then snap it so you can only pull one half out while you choke to death

I am not sure what you are taking about CBT therapy is most effective form of therapy scinetificaly proven to work and work better than any drugs.
Drugs in end doesn't solve your "bad program" that you written in your head, what I mean to say by that it drugs just remove negative feeling but they don't change pattern of your thinking that causes that negative thinking that causes depression, anxiety ....etc

I helped myself with CBT without therapist, I was only using techniques presented and described in book.

First of all Therapist is not supposed to change your "problems" or negative thinking he is supposed to merly guide you and giving you tools to solve it yourself, because things that you call problems might not be problem just the way of preference people have in life : let me give you example.

I might come to therapist and say I am miserable because I don't have millions in my bank account, he can't do anything about that to "solve your problem" because there is no such thing as problem he might only point it to you that you might be happy without those millions in bank account and he can give you tools to resolve that in your head.
Let me just say it roughly that in this case you would have to "realize" and see that having this expectation and value is not beneficial in your life where you think you can only be happy if you are rich and have millions on Account.
So its up to you to choose better choice and replace it with something better Therapist can't come and tell you how you should think he can only help you with deciding is it really beneficial or is there better way to think.

So I didn't needed therapist I am smart enough to point out my logical fallacies in my mind to resolve issues that were bothering me with depression and anxiety.

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also to add up to your post the picture you posted is from CBT.
It describes that people have some core values and sometimes people don't realize but they have shitty core values that could be replaced by much more positive and better like example I gave you: having millions on bank account"
Thats shitty core value to guide your life by wealth and social status, its better to have values that are heathier like: "I can be happy without materialistic things but they might help..."

what is DBT though?

>presented and described in book.
which book did you read?
could you recommend me others?

If you are a BPD or HPD you might wanna go through the lengthy process of MCT and hop on the mindfulness bandwagon.

Its "When Panic Attacks" by David Burns.-
this man who changed my life
he didn't invent therapy he was just first to compile book thats easy and fun to read, give a lot of examples from his therapies and how he applied it on himself.

It would be good also to have partner whit whom I could practice little bit those stuff because some techniques are meant to be done with 2 people.

Really not a fan of mindfulness, I don't believe in it so it simply doesn't help me. Never heard of MCT, I'll look into it

>some techniques are meant to be done with 2 people.
ffffuck

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I'm glad that CBT helped you deal with whatever problem you had, but it didn't help you with logical fallacies at all. You used analogies to the point of a strawman rather than addressing my points. Analogies are best used sparingly because you can easily get bogged down in the minutia of the example while bypassing the fundamental principle at heart.

I personally think that what you're describing is less so CBT and moreso commonsense. I would be greatly surprised if you like this, but I like being honest.

which techniques were the most helpful for you?

it doesn't mean you have to do it with 2 people, there are many parallel techniques you can employ, but for me personally sometimes it would be useful to do it with someone else because others can sometimes point out mistakes better then you can yourself.

How exactly it didn't help me with logical fallacies? Its whole point of therapy to disolve your illogical thinking that guides you to depression, anxiety and other emotions that can cause you negative feelings. So whole point of techniqe is to change way you think or to replace "outdated" patterns of thinking and values...

Good example that could be applied here on r9k is that many people here suffer because "tfw no gf". And this is illogical thinking that you are supposed to have gf in order to be happy which can be easily changed.

I really don't know them by name now, and it would be really too long to write this here I can tell you over microphone if you want because I don't have time nor will to write all that. Because there are many little things to be explained...

>I can tell you over microphone
I dont think I could do that,
I can barely respond to people on vrchat when approached, and thats after I took a benzo.
to emphasize how bad it is just reading that sentence increased my heartbeat.

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Can you guys explain ACT to me? Someone suggested it to me when I said that CBT wasn't working.

>DBT is statistically the most efficient form of psychotherapy for male patients.
Bullshit it is. CBT is FAR more effective on men. DBT might be effective if your patient is a basedboy.

I am sorry man, you probably have fucked up experiences in your life to come to this point to be so anxious about people that even sentence is making you respond. I would like to help you as myself I know how hard is it but I can't save you all, I also have my life and stuff I have to do, this is only way I am willing to do if you find courage and it won't be so scary as you think after 10 seconds pass you would see that there was no need to be anxious.

Not him but I still at work but could probably do it later

ok how did you imagined to do it? I am not sure when I have time but we can somehow organize time when suits us both