Dating as a guy in 2018 is impossible mode

Its possible if you date ugly girls.
But then again, why date someone you are not attracted to?

I went to a Thai massage parlour today and had a happy ending. It was fantastic. If I can have a decent career I could probably ignore thots and stick to Thai milfs

NEETS are pretty fucked but hard working but shy robots still have a chance after Stacy hits her late 20s and 30s. Only real downside is you will be fucking Chads garbage and raising his child.

lets just kill this "ugly girls are lonely" meme already.

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What kind of society is this?

a post-sexual revolution one.

she understands nothing.

how can we exist in the same society knowing that this discrepancy in ease of finding a mate differ radically between male and female. all it does is create imbalance. a society will not sustain itself if you have shit like how it was described in pic related. Fat, unkempt, and drunkard women still breeding and yet perfectly able bachelor men going unnoticed. does this not lead to cultural degradation?

That is what I did user. I moved to japan to build some resume experience working with kids. and my japan weeb fantasies. met my wife at a Raman shop because the owner was a old Japanese guy and we were good friends. He was my Cupid. I could have just won the lottery though who knows.

>t. wealth disparity based on generations of accumulation, not merits or worth

seems to be doing fine so far

Take the 2D pill

>How do I stop fapping to 3D?
Let me break it down for you man.
if you are having trouble this trick will work.
>How to quit 3D: right now you are conditioned to fapping to 3D here is how we break this habit.
>you are fapping to 3D video, fap instead to 3D images but you may need to do the following trick
>start fap to normal stuff you view
>half way through you switch to other material and aim to finish your fap session while looking at the target subject matter
>so, fap to your 3D porn video and then switch to 3D still images on /s/
>do this until you are comfy to just fap to /s/ and then start doing the same thing but this time with hentai
>now you can fap to 2D fine

Will make you feel like a better person.

it will. seems inevitable, really. the ranks of lonely and suicidal men are rising and if when they check out of society, so does their work effort. cant maintain this shitshow without giving men a reason to live and work for.

I found a 2d waifu 8 years ago and I have never been happier. I somehow managed to completely lose my worries about finding a real woman and am incredibly happy whenever I see her or think of her. I have a balanced life a job that pays decent enough and a couple of friends I like to see. When someone asks I will answer "Still looking" or "Career first" knowing I have found fulfillment with her.

I'm JUST getting success after two years of girls with boyfriends or girls ghosting me. I'm much less nice than I was then and I just say and do what I want for the most part. I have my pussy moments from time to time when something completely left field happens but for the most part, I've found a bt of success in doing what I want but it's still not even complete success, it's simply keeping the girls around until I'm able to get my own place and fuck them.

>Tfw lucked out with my gf
She doesn't talk to anyone besides her family and me so she is really clingy. She is past college age and still has no friends. Find yourself an awkward girl that is shy. Not a normie contact slut. Especially not one that plays multiplayer games. In a world of social media, it is hard to find a truly outcast girl

Usually I'd say "just find a nice girl who isn't a narcissist obsessed with social media" but I don't think girls like that even exist in 2018

I don't know what to tell you user.

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You're either a Turbo Chad or an Incel.

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Dating is nothing more than a LARP marriage, even when "trad" people do it with "trad contraceptives" and "trad premarital sex". Its an entirely postmodern method of courtship. Dating is not traditional, but a Jewish trick designed to destroy White Civilization.

Traditional method of pairing:
1. Acquaintance - Meet each other in the presence of the family so parents and individuals can judge the other family. Parents of the bride questioned you about your own family in order to test the geneology, your material status, etc. Parents of bride test everything, you also test about your brides history, that is why old marriages were so successful. This entire process can be expedited or just made easier by planning who you'd like to introduce your offspring to in advance, such as pairing with the offspring of friends. The "arranged marriage" concept may bring to mind cartoonish ideas of forced marriages with the threat of being disinherited if you don't obey. I don't see it as such, but as just another opportunity you offer your children as they grow. Just as you may offer your son the money to go to medical school, he may choose another path in life and you'd respect that decision and just the same you'd accept their decision to marry a woman you didn't arrange for them to court. Dating removes the father from the marriage partner choice - the two getting married have the final say in my book but the father, as the leader of the clan, must have his opinion properly respected and considered if you are to remain part of his clan and properly receive his daughter and put her under your coverture.

congratulations. now, imagine what would happen is she got past her shyness and low self esteem. she'd realize she could replace you in a day with someone taller, richer, whatever you have it if she wanted.

you better see to it that she stays shy and awkward if you want to keep her.

2. Courtship - This part is pretty easy for normalfags to understand, as it's essentially what "dating" is. May include chaperone(s) depending on trust between families, age of the bride, how long they have been "dating", etc. This could go on from anywhere between a couple months to a couple years, it could even end after one meeting depending on what the two individuals think of each other. A man and a woman get to know each other and spend time with each other in various activities. I'd leave most of it up to my own offspring to figure out as I'd trust them to make their own decisions for the most part by this age, but if asked, I'd advise instead of going out to dinner, go to the store together and shop for dinner to take home and cook. Give them much more opportunity to talk and negotiate and truly connect. Or I might even suggest my daughter prepare dinner and invite the young man over and make his meal a surprise. Maybe try other activities together, a pottery class as a random example that comes to mind.

3. Betrothal - Really just the planning stage before a wedding takes place after they have chosen to marry. Maybe some people like a small wedding in their backyard, maybe some people like a giant gala event, it's up to personal preference and/or religious or political customs depending on status of parties involved.

Now much of this isn't any different than the modern concept of "dating", but the involvement of family and the raising of children in a traditional environment that teaches them and structures their life around purpose cannot be underestimated. A lot of the difference comes from the way your offspring are raised with the idea of becoming a husband or a wife in mind, and they are taught and shown the importance of virtue and treating courtship as a serious thing, rather than the casualness of modern "dating" and the aloof and mostly non-existant role of the parents in the future of their bloodline. A man is taught to be a man, and a woman is taught to be a woman. Not only that, but they truly absorb these teachings as they live their whole lives seeing their parents practice what they preach. A girl grows up watching her mother keep a home, educate the very young children, and helps to make this happen more and more as she gets older until she is capable of keeping her own home and rearing her own children. A boy grows up seeing his father handle affairs of family, business, and state. As the boy grows into a young man he begins to act in all these things on his father's behalf and learns how to run his own family, business, and dealings with the state.

I'm doing this but she's a lonely girl from Georgia(country).

She really wants to get away from her mom and have talked to me about moving in together. Don't think I'll do that but I'll let her come over when I move.

The degenerate concept of "dating" does not align with proper child rearing. It results in unprepared and untrained young adults not knowing how to behave, and so they imitate these intrinsic ideals as best they can while having no real understanding of that which they wish to emulate. This causes premarital sex, miscegenation, pitiful "marriages" that end in divorce,and produce dysfunctional children that will either be the end of their bloodline or just continue the cycle of producing dysfunction. On rare occasion they will see the error of their situation and return to tradition as best they can, as many young people today must do in order to save their people and countries from destruction.

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"courtship" nowadays is treating her to dinner then going home to jerk off while she fucks chad with a full stomach

Love today is a fucking meme.

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Yes. I know this. I've been on r9k since 09. I neg her constantly to challenge her self esteem. I feel bad sometimes but I enjoy it most times. I make 90k and I'm like a head taller than her. She doesn't interact with anyone socially to meet someone better.

My gf also has trouble living with her mom and wants to move in too. More about differences in living situations rather than dislike that is driving them away from each other. My gf is kinda OCD about cleaniness. I'm kinda the same so we match on that.

If yours is moving countries, hopefully she has problems with her family so you don't have to deal with cross country bullshit. It's a bad way to think about it but it is practical

She already is over here. She said she doesn't care that much about her family back home and she says she doesn't have any friends, though I'm not sure if that's a LARP or not.

Hope for the best but be prepared for the chance that she is
A) manipulating you and will leave you once she gets green card
B) not manipulating you but will leave you anyway once she gets green card because hotter guys than you hit on her

The strong survive and spread their genes, I see no problem with this. The elimination of those lacking the wealth, attractiveness, height, and proper genes for good muscular development is a good thing. May I recommend castration (which will vastly diminish your sex drive), turning to homosexuality(gay men often seek "straight" men as they are seen as manlier), or masturbation(which has been confirmed to be used by almost every great genius) as suitable alternatives to spreading your genes?

Let me explain, men have maintained power for many ages, men were sought after as heirs after all. Men had the right to be choosy, even if they were extremely ugly, because a daughter had no use besides future generation gain by marrying her off. This is why women can afford to be so picky these days, even if we consider them ugly, they have become vastly more attractive than previous generations. If you would look at medieval portraits of ladies, you'd understand that they were much, much uglier. Men practically engineered them to be beautiful and submissive, seeking the greatest power in the room.

Now that wealth isn't that powerful a motivator (it still is, but has been downgraded), they seek the new power-holders, Chads. These Chads don't looked deformed and do all the things anons don't: they brush their teeth, they wash themselves, they lift, and most of all they keep confidence in themselves. You know what women haven't been bred with this seeking of power in mind? Asians, Latinos and, Blacks because even if they occasionally go after Chad, they haven't genetically engineered to. It's why you're more likely to hear about an user with a chink GF, because while naturally they go after Chads, the superior part of the species, they are willing to settle down even with lonely anons.

TL;DR:You're getting bred out because you bred in the need for women to seek a Chad.

Don't worry user, when they turn 30 and "ready to settle down" they'll feel the pain x2
You might feel lonely but you always have. You are used to it
These roasties will become beat up trash and the loneliness will be more painful to them because they once were desirable. Most of them will commit suicide or end up doing drugs.
Just laugh user, that's all you can do. Fuck them when they're prostitutes with no other options in life and just laugh.

I dunno. I've found that a lot of good-looking dudes have no idea how to talk to women. They basically ask a girl to touch their penis and if that doesn't work they don't know what to do.

There are plenty of girls out there who are looking for a guy with a good personality. But as a guy, you have to have faith in yourself. If you believe you aren't shit compared to other guys, girls can sense that lack of confidence.

As a bott who is ugly as fuck but still can chose between boys, yeah i can imagine its the same with girls
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You know it's the poor dysfunctional pathological

You know the existence of the welfare state and foreign aid is not the natural state of the world, right? You know that system won't last forever and eventually those unable to support themselves will stop breeding, right?

This. Poor people and retards fuck nonstop because they have absolutely nothing else to do.

There is no "natural state of the world" you retard. There is only here and now and what society makes of it. And society says the stupidest get to breed uncontrollably. That is the state of the world.

Ah, that's thing, they have kids because they're pressured to. Do you really thing slut Matilda wants to have kids even if she's nearly brain-dead? Hell fucking no, that's why abortion and genetic pre-screening needs to become a thing. In Iceland, they have 1 or 2 down syndrome children a year, vastly below countries like Australia which gets 272, most people don't get abortions, why? Because traditional values calls it baby murder, I'm fine with that because it murders little fuckers that will be a drain on the community like you.

>men do have to be confident
>women can judge on their own wims
Yes no, not putting up with that.

>There is no "natural state of the world"
The primordial truth of the universe is absolute. Your "society" is a speck within a speck within a speck of nothingness.

Well, as long as I get to fuck her.

>If you would look at medieval portraits of ladies, you'd understand that they were much, much uglier. Men practically engineered them to be beautiful and submissive, seeking the greatest power in the room
You're most likely baiting, but in case any user buys this horseshit: 80% of women who ever lived got to pass on their genes, while roughly 40% of men did. Sexual selection does not apply to women, any and all women who want to procreate can do so, as they always did before as well.

>These Chads don't looked deformed and do all the things anons don't: they brush their teeth, they wash themselves, they lift, and most of all they keep confidence in themselves
Only the first thing you said really matters, as women primarily desire men based on unchangeable genetic qualities like facial bone structure and height. Lifting and le confidence meme dont do jack shit for a short and ugly man. Confidence itself is built by positive experiences, which ugly and undesired men will naturally lack, and which tall and sexually desired men will have plenty.
FYI: lonely people actually shower more than less lonely people, perhaps compensating the lack of human warmth with the warmth of a shower.

Also, you are mixing up sexual selection and natural selection. 'The strong survive', ergo the survivors are already strong enough within the confinements of current natural selection which mostly picks off the people with genetic illnesses in their childhoods.
Sexual selection is primitive.
Women choose good looking men above all, but they also prefer men who portray antisocial personality traits: Narcissism, Psychopathy and Machiavellianism (source: scottbarrykaufman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/The-Dark-Triad-Personality.pdf)

continued:

The ideal man of the sexually liberated woman? Jeremy Meeks: A handsome ex-convinct who was a member of Crips and was put in prison for assaulting a minor. After his mugshot became viral, women actually pooled money to pay for his bail bond of 1 million dollars. Now he's marrying a billionaire heiress.
Women might find Jeremy Meeks irresistible, but anyone can see that men like him aren't actually good for society: First of all, he was in prison for a reason, secondly, "Hot Felons" are not the ones who maintain civilization, pay taxes, abide law or contribute in any way in to boost collective well-being.

The successful civilizations of history practiced widespread monogamy. A wife and a family gave every man a reason to contribute for the society. Going back to sexual selection removes that motivation to contribute from a large part of men, but their taxes and work effort are still needed. Obviously, trouble will ensue.

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Have you tried to stop putting yourself down constantly or if you are going to anyways at least try to do something to realistically improve. Don't wanna sound like a prick but if you've already given up on yourself why would expect anyone to suddenly come and be your sole reason to live on first meeting you.

Agreed. But I have to wonder what impact sex robots will have on this. I see the rise of sex robots as slowing down the cultural degradation and perhaps even reversing it.

There's no stopping the coming sex robot revolution. The only question remaining is when sex robots will start becoming normalized.

My prediction is that in 20 years the robot technology will be good enough and prevalent enough to start having a noticeable impact on social standards, and in 40 years it will break the hierarchical system enough so that the male incel will be almost nonexistent.

>only the top tier will spread their genes
You mean Tyrone and a bunch of wiggers while Chad gets a vasectomy.

>in class

focus on your studies user

I was being facetious, since being yourself is the most braindead advice anyone can receive. As i put in OP, I'm tired of the relentless competition I as a guy have to put in while women just sit and judge and choose on their whim. Its humiliating and even if you arise as the victor of the competition for the exclusive right to enter a relationship with Generic Human Female #5170236015, if she feels like upgrading, she can find a guy to replace me in 15 minutes of swiping on Tinder, while I'll be "self improving" myself for untold time in hopes of finding another competition for the golden cow.

For the record I've been hitting the gym for two years and I'm studying a pretty lucrative field in university, just to break any idea you might have constructed of me as an entitled obese neckbeard stereotype, since this type of just-world-fallacy sentiment is pretty common among the types who feel they have worthwhile "self-improvement" advice to hand out on the internet. Perhaps its because they feel they can't really give any advice apart from the obvious "go to gym and be cunfident" trite.

Lifting and confidence will help an attractive man become even more attractive, while helping an average looking person look attractive.

Only people who base their self-esteem on their looks and sex-life are likely to have this. And such a person is likely to be someone who doesn't deserve to pass on their genes.

My point still stands, a handsomer man often have a symmetrical face, which is a sign of good health. Also Dark Triad are unfortunately more likely to be successful financially and are more likely to take care of their looks.

Still, what gives the ugly the right to reproduce? Ultimately they'll produce worse-off children? Wouldn't it be better if the next generation looks better and is healthier? We could also use genetic engineering to fix the ugly people's children, it's a shame that people are so afraid of it. We need to experiment more, for the necessity of science.

This. Jow Forums is 99% incels and sad fucks, lifting does absolutely nothing for your attractiveness

The chads and tyrones are little more than brood parasites. Its not going to be them raising those kids.

Slightly off-topic, but I remember reading a bunch of articles a while back about how societies with an uneven distribution of women to the most wealthy and/or attractive men become more violent and dysfunctional because the bottom-tier men have nothing to lose.

Also, a large population of single men could potentially fuck up the economy in a number of ways.

Well, I'd say learn to appreciate a challenge, dead ass, man. Going out and talking to girls even if you're not to trying date/hook up with them and just practicing practicing practicing so when some girl whose type you actual are comes by she doesn't slip by. That shit is more important than the gym or the degree depending what field you're batting in. For girls dating is like playing like CoD Zombies your entire life, at least men get to play Shadow of the Colossus or some shit.

>a while back about how societies with an uneven distribution of women to the most wealthy and/or attractive men become more violent and dysfunctional because the bottom-tier men have nothing to lose.
Basically this video. Ignore the cringy title

>youtube.com/watch?v=CuhLRzP2-0Y

>tfw have only fapped to my imagination/2D for so long regular women barely even make me look up
I just stopped caring. I'd still like the companionship and the feeling of being loved reciprocally, but past that, I don't really get aroused by it anymore.

>Lifting and confidence will help an attractive man become even more attractive, while helping an average looking person look attractive.
They say water is wet but sometimes its good to be reminded of it, I guess.
>Only people who base their self-esteem on their looks and sex-life are likely to have this.
Sorry, have what?
>And such a person is likely to be someone who doesn't deserve to pass on their genes.
Biological reproduction is quite nihilistic, women don't really have to worry about "deserving" to pass on their genes, and what people deserve or do not deserve in general seems to be a matter of opinion based on the morality of the one who makes such judgment, and since morality is subjective its worthless to argue about 'deserving'.
>My point still stands, a handsomer man often have a symmetrical face, which is a sign of good health.
If the survival of the healthy individuals is your concern, maybe you also believe we should abolish hospitals and health care in general since they enable unhealthy individuals to survive? Otherwise framing a concern for health is hypocritical, from my point of view.
>Still, what gives the ugly the right to reproduce?
Subjective morality again, so I won't answer the question about "rights". But why would it be smart to make sure ugly people get a chance to reproduce? Having a reasonable assurance that you get to reproduce is a very powerful motivator, if you want to ensure men will toil away at work, follow the law, care about the defense of the society, contribute to the long term maintenance of it for future generations and take significant risks in case such as joining the army in the case of a war.

Continuing:

>Ultimately they'll produce worse-off children? Wouldn't it be better if the next generation looks better and is healthier?
The average height of western men has risen over 4 inches in the last 100 years. The men who are average today would have been considered tall back then. With the rise of the average height, the expectations rose as well, and now you need to be well over 6 feet to be considered tall by most western women.
My point is this: even if the next generation was relatively more beautiful than the current generation, it would just lead to them having higher standards for beauty, and the "more beautiful" ugly people of future will be just as miserable as the ugly people of today. In the end you've helped none, the standards just shift. Kind of like making more money and distributing it to people doesn't make them more wealthy due to inflation.

Closure:

>We could also use genetic engineering to fix the ugly people's children, it's a shame that people are so afraid of it. We need to experiment more, for the necessity of science.
I agree that genetic engineering should be used to fix people. As genetic engineering becomes more advanced, easily used and more and more profitable to use, in the future I imagine it will be a widespread practice out of necessity, since China producing super saiyans while we'd be too concerned with ethics to compete would get steamrolled and chopped into liver.
The future will inevitably be totalitarian since the advancement of technology enables it and makes it attractive. In fact we already live in a more totalitarian reality than just 10 years ago. As an example, smartphones are basically like telescreens from 1984 that monitor us more than we monitor them. You could opt not to carry one, but that would probably make your life more difficult, and since we are in constant competition, making life more difficult than necessary is unwise.
Anyway, getting back on topic, genetic engineering should rather be used to do something about the instinctive human behavior that makes life so miserable for the ugly people in the first place, such as changing our stone age mating instincts to a more sustainable model than "Chad fucks all the women and other men get scraps, deal with it nerd, btw please keep working 60 hours a week to maintain the system tho"

It's because you are trying to approach strangers. This is Chad territory.

You have to put yourselves in situations where you meet lots of normies in person. Only way to make it work for the non-Chads.

You don't look for relationships on tinder- any woman on tinder isnt worth having a relationship with. It's literally women deciding who to have sex with based on a picture and who can text her the best. It shows nothing about your qualities as a human- your sense of humor, any skills you might have, your intelligence, your education, your career, etc. Just a picture and some bullshit texting.

Who the fuck tries to meet people on discord through Jow Forums? Do you know anybody in real life (not on the internet) who met a fucking gf or wife on discord? Furthermore, do you want to date the type of person who hangs out on Jow Forums?

My actual point is this: What are you bringing to the table, and why should any respectable woman want to fuck/date/marry you? I know it's really easy to complain that "society is fucked" (and honestly, it is) but if you literally bring NOTHING to a relationship, why should they even bother? You dont have looks, money, a sense of humor, confidence, a position of power... why would anyone be attracted to you?

And before you complain that it didnt used to be like that, could you live up to the expectations for men in previous generations? Could you support and protect a family? So dont complain that there arent any "traditional" girls around, because you sure as shit arent a "traditional" man.

We all know society is fucked and that women have way too much power. But this whole thread is a complete "woe is me" circlejerk and nobody wants to do a fucking thing to separate themselves from the pack.

>You dont have looks, money, a sense of humor, confidence, a position of power... why would anyone be attracted to you?
It was my impression for the longest time that relationships between men and women work the same way companionship between men does. We can be worthless idiots but we can still be best friends and support each other in our faults and strengths.
I was wrong.

Nigga please

Dating at uni is dating on easy mode

SURPRISE
All those people that preach family values turns out haven't got their own family, just extended ones. So much for those values.

Fair. But attraction also plays a large role in male/female dynamics, and that attraction can come from any of those things (looks, power, money, etc)

And the fact is, most people on here cant offer any of those things, and are unlikeable cunts to boot. They know they cant provide for a family, but they still expect some virgin qt homemaker gf to fall from the sky... while expecting her to go to school and have a job to pay their fair share, of course.

women aren't really expected to provide anything to the relationship other than themselves, thats the reason why men are so willing to compete with each other over the most mediocre woman.

didn't you start with "society is fucked and women have way too much power"? it didn't take you long to go back to the just world fallacy where men who end up alone are only alone because they are just entitled meanyheads.

>The strongest will survive

This is James K and he has successfully bred, spreading his genes for another generation. Truly a sign that evolution is about the strongest surviving.

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Just stop man, try to be happy with your self. Try to accomplish Things, which makes you feel better. And then if the univers is generous with you, you will perhaps meet your soulmate

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They say water is wet but sometimes its good >to be reminded of it, I guess.
Water is wet, but you often don't notice it much until it pours.

>Sorry, have what?
Ah, sleepy brain. Basically a person who bases their confidence around romance and sex while being unattractive obviously needs to be culled or castrated.

>Biological reproduction is quite nihilistic, women don't really have to worry about "deserving" to pass on their genes, and what people deserve or do not deserve in general seems to be a matter of opinion based on the morality of the one who makes such judgment, and since morality is subjective its worthless to argue about 'deserving'.
What makes a person worthy of reproduction is subjective but we often agree on subjective things. Murdering someone can be subjective but the majority of people view it as wrong.

>If the survival of the healthy individuals is your concern, maybe you also believe we should abolish hospitals and health care in general since they enable unhealthy individuals to survive? Otherwise framing a concern for health is hypocritical, from my point of view.
If those unhealthy individuals are genetically worse, the best option is to prevent them from reproducing or genetically screening their children in vivo and aborting those who are genetically predisposed to diseases. Injuries and diseases that are not genetic cannot be removed by simply culling those affected. You know this, stop being a dick and come up with a better argument.

I'm a guy in 2018. Dating is easy. You must be doing something wrong.

>Subjective morality again, so I won't answer the question about "rights". But why would it be smart to make sure ugly people get a chance to reproduce? Having a reasonable assurance that you get to reproduce is a very powerful motivator, if you want to ensure men will toil away at work, follow the law, care about the defense of the society, contribute to the long term maintenance of it for future generations and take significant risks in case such as joining the army in the case of a war.
Those can be achieved with more tyrannical measures, if the ugly cannot be bred out in a couple of generations, then we will subject to indoctrination and complete subordination to their superiors. The ugly vary wildly in IQ, ranging from incredibly smart to incredibly dumb. The incredibly smart will be given resources and the possibility of reproduction(genetically screened and altered of course). The dumb? They are more accepting of being slaves.

>The average height of western men has risen over 4 inches in the last 100 years. The men who are average today would have been considered tall back then. With the rise of the average height, the expectations rose as well, and now you need to be well over 6 feet to be considered tall by most western women.
Rising expectations to be better? God forbid. It's almost as if people want more from men and this led to slow incremental improvement.

>My point is this: even if the next generation was relatively more beautiful than the current generation, it would just lead to them having higher standards for beauty, and the "more beautiful" ugly people of future will be just as miserable as the ugly people of today. In the end you've helped none, the standards just shift. Kind of like making more money and distributing it to people doesn't make them more wealthy due to inflation.
It makes them shift, but ultimately, such a beauty will be enrapturing. We'll be an aesthetically pleasing society that will grow more and more beautiful, it sounds poetic. The beautiful lower class will make excellent experimental material and cannon fodder.

>I agree that genetic engineering should be used to fix people. As genetic engineering becomes more advanced, easily used and more and more profitable to use, in the future I imagine it will be a widespread practice out of necessity, since China producing super saiyans while we'd be too concerned with ethics to compete would get steamrolled and chopped into liver.
Indeed, such petty ethics only exist because of the fear of defiling a sky fairy's work. Transgressing against these values would be such an interesting progression of our society.

>The future will inevitably be totalitarian since the advancement of technology enables it and makes it attractive. In fact we already live in a more totalitarian reality than just 10 years ago. As an example, smartphones are basically like telescreens from 1984 that monitor us more than we monitor them. You could opt not to carry one, but that would probably make your life more difficult, and since we are in constant competition, making life more difficult than necessary is unwise.
Ultimately, isn't this better? These smartphones collect data on us which is valuable to advertisers and indoctrination and, they provide valuable services which make them necessary in a competitive world. George Orwell never anticipated we would be excited to buy the telescreens ourselves.

>Anyway, getting back on topic, genetic engineering should rather be used to do something about the instinctive human behavior that makes life so miserable for the ugly people in the first place, such as changing our stone age mating instincts to a more sustainable model than "Chad fucks all the women and other men get scraps, deal with it nerd, btw please keep working 60 hours a week to maintain the system tho"
Removing such petty instincts would be interesting, mental manipulation on a genetic level would bring stability on a level unseen. Making beauty standards less important in the mind will only work if those standards have already been fulfilled.

Outliers and anomalies exist in all datasets.

MuhPersonality.3ds

>men have no idea how to talk to women

communication is a two-way street. men aren't mind-readers. if girls want to be fucked, they have to communicate too.

Don't go after literal thots and then complain that they're trash???

I just think people should try to improve themselves before they give up like you have. I'm sure you're going to come back with a laundry list of reasons why it would be impossible for you to ever get a woman, but the truth is, most people on here bitch about this because they get turned down by women without ever thinking about how they could improve their situation. I'm not talking about "how to pick up chicks," I'm talking about improving your station in life- career, financially, socially/social skills. How many people do you know in decent jobs (not computer guys- thats another issue) that have these issues?

Yes, I 100% agree that there are a subset of men who are destined to be incels. That sucks. I'm sorry. But most people on here havent come close to maximizing their potential, they just have defeatist attitudes and won't even try.

>women aren't really expected to provide anything to the relationship other than themselves
Welcome to 4 billion years of evolution and biology. I didn't say any of this is fair.

This is exactly the same thing I plan on doing. Probably Africa, but as this user has said by doing this you become the high-value chad stealing the native poor African's potential wife. It's a never ending circle of misery. The only solution is enforced monogamy, no other way around it, civilization is based on it afterall, pic related

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I already said i'm studying a lucrative field. But actually that's irrelevant to me when it comes to attracting women, because I don't want to be the wealthy safe guy women go for when they want to settle down. i dont actually consider acquiring excess wealth as self improvement because i dont consider rich people inherently superior to the poor.

I don't know about you but I find it humiliating to be a cashcow for some princess who considers herself a prize i'm only allowed because i pay higher than other men. some people call those guys betabux and im inclined to agree with that sentiment.

the idea of endless "self improving", which should more accurately be named "straining to acquire a position of superiority over the competing men in areas which women value" inherently does not sit right with me, its subservient and humiliating. i thought i put it pretty clearly in the op: i am tired of the premise. this thread was not made to ask for advice in how to compete. i think i'll just "cheat the system" and get a woman from a 3rd world country when i feel enough is enough, like a few other men in this thread are considering.

Im mexican, and here theres a really good saying that goes "verbo mata carita" that translated into american slang is something like "smooth talk kills pretty face" wich is quite obvious what it means. dont worry user keep trying until you get better at talking to them.

>go to engineering uni
>no women
Y-yeah, user, easy mode.

>there's literally more foreigners than native women in your class
>literally all of them have a boyfriend or spouse

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Your idea's all retarded. Why would I endlessly try to self-improve just to end up with some single mother in her 30s eventually "settling" with me? At that point the best years of my life are already behind me. Life is short as shit. Why am I only allowed infertile old hags after "self-improving" for years while those sluts jump from chadcock to chadcock in their youth? Fuck off, I'd rather watch them self-destruct from afar and end up unwanted cat ladies.

>TL;DR:You're getting bred out because you bred in the need for women to seek a Chad.

You have no clue as to what you're talking about. The reproductive game has been played for thousands of years, and always, it has been in the hands of women doing the choosing and rejecting. We have double the female ancestors than we do male ancestors. This leads us to two conclusions:

>females SEEK Chad
>females REJECT everyone else

>men have maintained power for many ages

You fail to make the distinction that only a MINORITY GROUP of men have maintained power throughout all history.

Does not change the facts, you fucking homo imbecile.

The population numbers are way off. I don't believe the census. Males are at least 65% of the population I swear to god.

That's called the infinitely-high boyfriend factor. I diagnose you with Noviophobia.

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>yeah, i give up. every single woman (and guys who kinda look like women) have multiple suitors to choose from at all times. you will never be special, you will just be another disposable competitor.
The level of defeatism with you faggots is astounding.

These are actual terms with wiki articles on them lol.

sonichu.com/cwcki/Infinitely-High_Boyfriend-Factor

Shit is real though. Almost all girls already have boyfriends/fwbs/husbands.

> discord
> dating
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH NO NO NO NO AHAHHAAHH OH NO!

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They do. When a woman wants to fuck you, generally she will tell you, or at the very least sexually harass you.

The reason you think women are subtle is because women aren't attracted to you.

You are blocking yourself off in your mind to real success. Tinder has a lot of bots and catfishers on there. You also don't want to be on any app associated with FB. Shit is evil. If you want to easily hook up try POF or something similar. I'll share some stuff from my book in a little bit.

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>There is an art and psychological science to picking up women. Some men can do it without even trying, others struggle and have a full strategy they borrow from people like me.
>I liken picking up women to a recipe, a precise formula, that can be duplicated over and over again. Once you understand what women want and need, your love life will never be dull.
>Don't be intimidated as many women, especially the hottest looking ones, are actually huge insecure dorks. They are experts at hiding their insecurities and pretending to look cool but rarely are beneath the carefully cultivated veneer.
>Hotties hit the lottery by looking effortlessly attractive and for some crazy reason people equate and perpetuate the myth that exceptional physical looks equals coolness. True cool comes through doing interesting things, experiencing life, and accomplishing personal goals.
>Super beautiful women can also be one trick ponies. Their face and body is all they have. Imagine being treated extra special your entire life all because of how you look. Always getting cut to the front of the line, having the free and easy pass, the game of life simulator permanently set to easy mode.
>Keep in mind, every woman has at least one major physical flaw she works to keep hidden. The perfect 10 you see is riddled with fear someone will find out about her vaginal warts, see the premature gray hair roots, or notice her toe thumbs.
>Even the most beautiful women in the world (the super models) have one or more insecurities. Like you and me, she hates a thing or two about herself.
>The cute honey you dream of ringing up with the crystal ice blue eyes and perfect 34-24-34 measurements may have a physical deformity she's ashamed of or bodily functions, like Irritable Bowel Syndrome, she has little control of.