Is he guilty or innocent?

I personally think he's 100% guilty.
The bigger issue I have is how he acted during the senate hearing. He's a typical aggressive, confrontational, privileged frat boy. The kind of person that every robot should hate

they won't find shit and her story already has no basis, keep dreaming

>Please, though, tell me what the FBI will find about an alleged groping event that occurred 37 years ago.
Ask Bill Cosby

Bad bait. He's a cyborg.

shut your ass. How would you feel if you never did anything Chad style with girls and then 40 years later some roastie neck jowled whore called you a 100% rapist? he's defending his honor and he's pissed off all to hell.

>never did anything Chad style
literally a high school football star

He can't be guilty because he is not being charged for any crimes

I wish people could stop raping the English language already

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There have been witnesses who made similar claims to hers. And she has made references to her assault (just not the details) on repeated occasions going as far back as the 90s (before Kavanaugh was even relevant). And her hearing already provided evidence that she was in the area, and lived there, at the time of the assault. So there's plenty to find, just not enough.

>in a country club in high school
>yearbook refers to drugs, drinking, and fucking women
>in the wildest party frat in college
>everyone that knew him said he drank to excess every night
oh yea, he was totally a virgin until he was 25. a rich, fit, alpha male in the 70s. definitely a virgin.

Cosby had been using prescription medication which left a strong trail, especially since it was a notorious medication that was primarily used wrongly.

>he's a total nerd which is very evident. He has a calendar from high school that he kept until now.

"hey Brett wanna come over later?"
"sorry I can't, gotta get my study on tonight"
"oh that's too bad, we were gonna get wasted and grope girls tonight, oh well".

seeyep total nerd, and his calendar totally vindicates him

It's weird. The only reason I think Ford is telling the truth is becuase with as bad as it looks for them I just really don't want to believe the democrats would be so stupid as to pull this as midterms are coming up. The idea that some of the most powerful people in the country could be so dumb is just too fucking bleak. So long after the fact it is not and can not ever be anything more than the quintessential he said she said and you've got out fucking leaders sitting in a hearing basically paraphrasing "Do you cross your heart and swear to die?" Over and over again. It's pathetic for absolutely everyone involved and they were right to sit on it. Whoever the staffer that leaked it if it was a staffer who leaked it is a fucking idiot and not only for the simple fact that they shot their own party in the foot.

Innocent but horrible temperament, not becoming of a supreme court justice.

it's like you can't spot the nerd in a crowd. all of those things listed are hearsay and the yearbook is a joke.

I don't care if he raped my own mother. We need another conservative on the Supreme Court.

democrats are that dumb and are past the point of desperation, this is reality.

>The idea that some of the most powerful people in the country could be so dumb is just too fucking bleak.
It's not really an idea anymore, we've been seeing some pretty strong proof of it in recent years. Something feels wrong about this shit so while I believe something happened to her, I believe it was someone else and they just put Kavs name in to fill in the blank name. She's never put names to any of it in the past, only that someone did something to her.

>The idea that some of the most powerful people in the country could be so dumb is just too fucking bleak
dude look at the White House

and the republics who actually think building a wall is a good idea are the smart people right?

And what if he's an actual rapist? Would you still want him on the Supreme Court?

I hope some roastie accuses you of something terrible and expects you to twiddle your thumbs, just because you said that.

>no specific location as to where the event happened
>no clear, definitive timeline to when the party had happened, or how the rape occurred, other than a date
>no consensus with the events by the witnesses, with four people being against Ford's word
>yfw people honest to god believe this shit
How hard is this to understand? It's meant to delay the nomination, and nothing more. If you legitimately give a shit about Ford's claim, you may have supreme retardation.

>We have many reliable testimonies

No we don't, we have Ford and a few other cranks and a bunch of witnesses going the other direction.

And I don't consider the bullshit sit on Garland to be justification to do even more bullshit this year. Turnabout is not fair play. Sasse is right, the Supreme Court has gained an outsized importance because the Congress is impotent.

the wall is a good idea. it's not a new idea and many other countries have walls. the democrats also will fight tooth and nail because they know that the wall would slow illegal mexis way down. please unsubscribe from Vox.

There isn't a single person on the face of this earth who genuinely thinks he is guilty. It's just a case of people being okay with sacrificing him for a cause they believe is great enough to justify it.

>We have many reliable testimonies
Name one, because nobody else has. Even her friend who she claimed was there doesn't remember being there or even knowing Kav.

leave it to 80 iq robots to defend chad because their president daddy convinced them to

Don't be so quick, my liberal friends are buying this hook line and sinker because BELIEVE WOMEN.

would you remember an small, uneventful social gathering from 35 years ago? the four people simply said "I don't remember".
and Ford gave a timeline, which was corroborated by Kavanaugh's diary (July 1st).
you honestly think it was meant to delay the nomination? for three months? this is about preventing a violent, aggressive, boorish rapist from becoming a supreme court judge.

you'd probably deny that your mother was raped too if she told you

>the wall is a good idea
come move here to texas, people were ready to kill law enforcement when the state tried to take their land by eminent domain to build a wall

I'm not sure if he's guilty or not, which is the only correct opinion for an outsider to have. I think they should do the FBI investigation. It looks really bad that they don't want to go through with it. He's not the kind of guy I want on the supreme court for sure, but at least some of the accusations seems suspect. I hope they nail him for lying on the stand so this farce end, but I don't think they will prove that he did or didn't do it considering how little evidence there is. It's so troubling how everyone seems so sure about whether he did or didn't do it, it's really bizzaro land these days.

there are a surprising number of liberal dumb asses here that believe this false accusation, which is disturbing

They're doing this BECAUSE of the midterms dumbass. Their base is animated and the polls look good for them so if they can delay the Kavanaugh appointment until November they can keep the seat open until they win in 2020 or they impeach Trump. This is why Feinstein kept Ford's letter to herself until AFTER the initial hearings failed to find any dirt on him. It's desperation more than anything.

Luckily it's backfiring on them.

this is true
this bothers me about the "lol he couldn't be what he's saying nonsense" too
it's the shit they sell the true blue believers, I guess

>you'd probably deny that your mother was raped too if she told you
if there was no fucking proof then yeah i fucking would

>and Ford gave a timeline, which was corroborated by Kavanaugh's diary (July 1st).
Only AFTER the calendar became public. Before that she couldn't even say what year it was. It's pretty easy to see the calendar, pick a date and say "oh yeah it was that day. i'm 100% sure".

It's almost like I'm not applying to be on the highest court of the land.

Underage girls should stop sneaking to parties meant for older peer groups especially if they will be on there own once inside. This would prevent so much assault.

It happened to my sister

>rapist

Even if Ford were 100% truthful this would not be an accurate description of Kavanaugh's actions.

>It looks really bad that they don't want to go through with it.

Number one the FBI investigation is happening, but number two he's been investigated a half dozen times already and number three the FBI has nothing to find and nothing to investigate. It'll all amount to foggy, mostly made-up memories and the he-said-she-said testimony we already have. The calls for an investigation are stalling tactics on the D side and an unwillingness to assume responsibility for anything on the R side. The reasonable thing to do would be to act on the information we have because there will never be more information than that.

any pussy Texan that wouldn't sacrifice their land for the wall shouldn't be an American. they probably hire illegals and then fly an American flag on their dually trucks like hypocrites. Austin lib fag detected

I know a few legit assault survivors myself and how it sounds to me (although they never phrase it this way) is that the whole party culture is just an invitation to molesters to get our sisters, daughters, friends and future wives alone in a dark room with no one to defend them. We'd all be better off without it.

>any pussy Texan that wouldn't sacrifice their land for the wall shouldn't be an American
I thought conservatives wanted small gov, not a gov that steals land whenever it feels like. Also the majority of illegals over stay their visas and a wall wouldn't fix any of that.

>Austin lib fag detected
I'm from Waco

Guilty as guilty can be.

>quick background check for a job is the same as getting mark judge under oath
in what way? the entire point of the FBI investigation is to prove Kavanaugh committed perjury, it's not about the sexual assault anymore.
he lied about so many things under oath
>the meaning of his yearbook
>whether or not he drank frequently
>whether or not he blacked out
>the fact he was a virgin into his late twenties
>that his daughter said to pray for Ford
>the accuracy of his diaries
and so on

>literally no proof or witnesses
>"guilty"

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>Would you remember a small, uneventful social gathering from 35 years ago
From what perspective are you speaking of, the witnesses or her? Either way, she named the witnesses on her account, so there should be some expectation of it to be corroborated. As for her, you'd also expect some reminiscent details about such an important event.
>You honestly think it was meant to delay the nomination
Yes, retard. What event is coming up that starts with the letter "M" and ends with "idterm"?

What if means nothing. That's not how our justice system works. It's a matter of guilt or innocence, not a "yeah I guess it could be possible but I can't really say. Better safe than sorry".

yeah they have only one week to investigate everything because the republicans are crying about stalling tactics. After the Obama nomination, they're literally crying about stalling. Unbelievable, do you remember that shit? It was a million times worse.
Two or three weeks for a proper investigation does not have anything to do with stalling until the midterms. They could easily have set the voting date a week or two later with no consequences related to midterms. The reason they won't is because they're scared their boy is gonna get caught lying on the stand about something or other.

>and so on
and maybe he was too drunk to remember the night

An ex girlfriend can say you hit her or raped her. And you would need to pay organs for legal fees to challenge it.

That and the fact they sat on this letter for almost 2 months before bring it up just days before the nomination was going ahead.

Is there proof he lied? No? Just he said she said? Okay.

>small amount of land sacrificed and subsidized for the greater good of your entire country forever. that's hardly overreach
>what is ICE?

Mexicans are already slowing down but the wall would actually get these entitled cocks back to their land in much greater numbers. if you live in Texas and don't despise illegals then you are Mexican or need to be culturally enriched

It's a 30 year old accusation, most likely with the intention of being a smear campaign against him simply because people don't like the boss that promoted him.

Either way, I don't really think there's any actual means of proving he's guilty, especially considering how old the accusation is.

It's sad that this is something that will most likely stick with him for the rest of his life, even if he does get confirmed. It's sad how easy it is to ruin a man's life with an accusation, regardless of the truth.

the sexual assault is he said/she said, yes. I agree.
so much else of what he said (during the hearing) can be verified true or false by the FBI investigation.
lying under oath = perjury

um, no. come back with some evidence

For me the partisan shit can all go to one side; whether Turtleman is smiling or not doesn't matter, what matters is the tactics Ds are normalizing in their course to blocking the nomination.

What's at stake here is more important than even a SCOTUS appointment, it's the presumption of innocence and demand for due process under criminal charges. Those two values are non-negotiable.

>that his daughter said to pray for Ford
my sides

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SCJs sit for life so if he's confirmed it following him doesn't matter as much as it would for most people.

i don't care and neither should anyone here considering he's just another part of the global elite that doesn't really give a shit about us.
he chose to enter that world of smearing and control he can deal with the consequences

>36 years old allegedly
>out of character for the accused
>no substantial evidence and hearsay testimony with plot holes and inconsistencies
>liberal roastie whore with a vendetta and $$$ book deals in the works

let's get on Brett's side here guys

The people that don't believe he felt her up and raped other women are men and the people that do believe it are women. It's that simple. All women know that women get attacked and are vulnerable in those situations and that men get away with it all the time. The statistics are that 90% of all women are sexually assaulted or raped within the first 30 years of their life.

>greater good
the logic of a retard who can't explain where the funding for a wall that fuck huge would come from and assuming trump gets a second term the next president could just axe the plan entirely
And mexican immigration slowed down in 2007 and now more mexicans are leaving than coming in. I know it's hard for brainlets like you to comprehend but the US needs unskilled labor to work the shitty jobs like picking bean fields.

She also made half a million from a GoFundMe page just before all this shit hit the fan.
Funny to see I wasn't the only one thinking that she'd write a book about it too.

Justice Not Delayed is Justice Denied: The Christine Roastie Ford Story

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why does the FBI need his permission to investigate him?
why can't the FBI investigate him without delaying the vote, can't they just impeach him if they find something?

>why does the FBI need his permission to investigate him?
Trump already gave the FBI total control

do you pay taxes paco? do you know how government funding works? Do you know how much money illegals cost our country? you don't know shit, America has plenty of funds to build it. Obama literally delivered dollars to the Middle East on a pallet and no one batted an eye. Also illegals can still get farm work visas and the wall would make the process of sending them back in the off season much better. it's like you don't know what's going on.

On the one hand, I agree with you that the accusation with zero evidence, zero specifics is bullshit. I also find some of the metoo stuff troubling to the degree that I avoid women completely. This battle is already lost.
On the other hand, I don't like Kavanaugh so I hope they can nail him on an inconsistency or lie in his testimony. The guy has been slimy and evasive the entire time, not answering any questions on what his policies will be. His record shows him to be fine with torturing suspects including US citizens in the name of national security, and now he gets all indignant about due process? Fuck him.

not true. the white house directly controls who the FBI can talk to. the investigation is a publicity scam

Its retarded. Ive had experiences where girls have grabbed my dick through my pants out of nowhere and thought it was funny. Ive had girls at music fests come up and force kiss me on the lips without even seeing them coming. I wouldnt be out to destroy their lives. As "strong and powerful" as women claim to be its amazing that they pull this type of shit. I dont even think hes guilty, but even if he did grope here just get the fuck over it. It happened 4 decades ago. Its not like the bitch got raped. I cant believe this circus.

all this shit is distracting us from the fact that we have seven people who are the ultimate interpreters of US law who serve for life yet we aren't able to actually choose who they are outside of the roundabout "lol we get to pick the president and they'll choose whoever is politically biased toward their party alignment XD"

>Also illegals can still get farm work visas

>Mexican on work visa
>decides to overstay visa while in the US
how the fuck does a wall prevent someone who is already in the country?

cnn.com/2018/09/29/politics/trump-fbi-investigation-kavanaugh/index.html

he's been evasive to democrats trying to ruin his career, so either you're a cuck or just don't understand how much our country needs a conservative judge on that seat

shareblue is getting crafty as shit with their shill game
or have you not considered that if they successfully gin up some bogus shit to torpedo his seat, #metoo is going to look like nothing?

>I also find some of the metoo stuff troubling to the degree that I avoid women completely. This battle is already lost.

What happens to Kav will show how far this shit can go with no proof at all. If Kav loses, that's it man. It will confirm that you can just accuse someone, be believed and derail everything.

>It will confirm that you can just accuse someone,
the point is to catch him in a perjury trap, he should've went to the FBI from the beginning

>have you not considered that if they successfully gin up some bogus shit to torpedo his seat, #metoo is going to look like nothing?
I don't think they can prove it's bogus since it's such a nebulous accusation and it was so long ago. I'm not sure how metoo is going to look like nothing because of this? I mean if aziz ansari didn't make it look like nothing, how will this do it? There will always be a mob of believe whammen types out there.

evasive on everything, not just the assault accusations. He should answer the damn questions when asked about his views on the issues he will be enforcing. He should be vocal about his beliefs instead of trying to hide them, it looks sleazy as fuck.

Trump said that, but it's obviously a lie. this isn't the first time he's said and done completely different things.
that's not the problem. I don't mind a conservative judge... but they seriously can't find a good one?

why do I have to say this? there's ICE that has gotten crazy now with trump in office so they can get most of them out. It's just like an inmate and a probation officer, if they don't check in then they will be hunted down. Mexicans that don't speak English are easier to find. the wall will regulate the incoming and outgoing better. it's not a perfect system but better than the honor system which doesn't work at all and democrats love because illegals vote for them. it's like you're saying that you'd rather live in a tent than a fortified brick house because most people have good intentions and wouldn't mess with your tent. Mexicans will fuck your tent up

a sleazy conservative judge is better than a liberal judge of any degree. you're being picky when a nerdy guy is being accused of rape like that's normal.

>ICE is only going after mexicans
npr.org/2018/01/22/578930256/undocumented-irish-unexpectedly-caught-in-trumps-immigration-dragnet

the fact we have "conservative" and "liberal" judges mean the system has failed. the entire point of the supreme court is to enforce the constitution. honestly America is fucking doomed

>a nerdy guy
Yeah dude, a football playing jock, a hard partying alcoholic turbo normie is such a nerd. As I said the issue of the accusation doesn't even factor into my dislike for this guy. I don't like him because he's a typical authoritarian asshole who's fine with torturing people as long as they're brown.

holy shit kill yourself please for the love of god

fuck off mexi, were building the wall

that was the point of the user you're replying to, I think
"conservative" judges want to enforce the constitution
"liberal" judges want to rip it up
that's why they can't get away with this hoodnigger Borking, that's why they're fighting so dirty
won't you fight for your life?

Yeah because the dems are such Machiavellian operators and not total fucking liberal pussies. Also Neil Gorsuch apparently doesn't exist.

look at these athletic, tanned, ripped nerds. I bet they're only at the beach to do their homework!
>his own diary confirms drinking, partying, and going to bars every week
yea, just like every nerd I know!

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Irrefutable proof that conservatives shouldn't be allowed outside mental hospitals