Hey robots, about a month ago someone here made a thread about free will being an illusion, and much to my surprise the vast majority of people in that thread agreed that free will was just a meme. After doing a fuck ton of reading, I am forced to agree that free will is just an illusion. However, to me this is the most horrifying truth. Humans beings are programmed to feel like we are agents and in control, but our lives are basically predetermined. We are the result of our genetic makeup and our upbringing. Everything I have ever done, including writing this, was always going to happen. It is completely destroying my mental health. I think about it constantly. Everything is so intensely uninteresting once you realize it is destined. There are no good people. There are no bad people. It is all just people following the laws of physics. Anons who have faced similar struggles coming to terms with this fact of nature, how did you cope?
Anons, how do you cope with the loss of free will?
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your statement is self-defying. you are not a deep thinker. you like to delve into concepts without thinking them through, and consider yourself an expert. you deserve the pain.
Freewill is a choice.
When you give it up, you don't have it. Fatalism is as dumb as freewill. Why would something be predetermined? We can't even hammer down where a particle is going and at what acceleration.
There can be good people, read into subjective reality.
People's lives are decided by everyone but them. People who don't enjoy life and can't be around people effortlessly are forced to cope and stay quiet so they aren't singled out and called attention seekers
I went down this rabbit hole years ago.
STOP thinking about it.
You need to ignorei t because it will make you go crazy
By trying to overlook it and seeing how things that aren't really an "instinctual actiin" like playing video games or reading books, or longboarding bring me "joy".
Yaknow this whole universe is just one conciousness experiencing itself from billions and billions of different subjective experiences?
"God" for lack of a better word, is just playing hide and seek with himself in all these different forms. Be it you, or me, or a tree or the mountains. It's a weird and cruel game.
But once you go further down the rabbit hole you'll see you're suffering of knowing this truth about free will, is what makes this game fun (in the end that is)
I don't think I'm a deep thinker. I know I am not particularly intelligent. However, anyone with any mental competence knows that free will is an illusion. You would have to make a claim beyond the material world to claim free will, thus making a claim with zero proof. It sucks, but it is what it is.
God doesn't play dice, so of course he has determined your life for you. This doesn't need to concern you. You now must do good works to show to Him that you are grateful for being one of the elect - that is if you are elected to be saved. Only He knows that.
I have come to this conclusion too, about a year ago.
I don't cope. I've begun to hate God. The bad feels are irreversible. This is a prison for something our souls did in a higher dimension. We lost a bet. We thought, well, what's 60 years? That's nothing.
I think the hunger games is a real concept, only it's higher-echelon souls watching us, and making bets on us for entertainment.
My worst fear is, if we don't perform well enough, we're reincarnated with even worse circumstances. That's be hilarious, to watch our souls squirm entrapped in different bodies. I don't see much beauty in anything anymore.
i feel like everyone that thinks free will is an illusion just comes to that conclusion after taking shrooms
Why do I do good works. If they are already done?
Why is it scary to you?
They aren't done yet: you are determined to do them- that is, if you are saved.
Everything what you said is correct. Why is it so horrifying to you? I understand that this is a complex idea that is hardly translated by mere words, but can you approximate your feelings in this notion?
If there's no free will whether you come to the realization there's no free will or not is predetermined, as is if you will or not and how. You're anxious over the concept of there being no free will, but still processing that fact through tje lense of someone who thinks they have personal agency. You're asking "what do we do?" In response to the revelation you don't control what you do.
Here you will learn that the true path to enlightenment is really the darkest path of all.
For what is the truth, when by mere virtue of having it, life loses all meaning.
Then I determine it. Since even here and now I have option available to me. Many routes, one path. But all paths remain open when the Journey is still underway. Until the end of the self, you have freewill.
While the concept of free will does break down under scrutiny (as you've described), it's a fantastic illusion in practice. It doesn't matter that the future is predetermined, because you don't know the future and it's effectively impossible to predict.
Just live your life as though free will exists. You won't notice a difference.
This is gonna be great everyone. Wait until he gets into nihilism.
Doesn't this video prove free will exists?
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Freewill isn't an illusion. It's temporary. Just like life. It exists in the moment. But never beyond it.
Not scary, just incredibly saddening
I have been a nihilist for a decade at this point. I could cope with nihilism. But something about not being in control destroys me
I feel like the majority of what we enjoy is based on the notion of having free will. Any sense of pride is completely silly. If I ran a marathon right now, it is not noteworthy in the slightest. I was always going to run that marathon. I could not have NOT run the marathon. I am a robot programmed to think it is not a robot. I am a conscious stone caught in a wave. Nothing is worthy of praise. Nothing is worthy of scorn. It is all just the universe playing out the only way it could have.
This, roughly, is the loop that runs through my consciousness nearly every waking hour. It is hell.
All of this is correct. And it is a mere step into becoming liberated. Why does it matter that it's an illusion? All life is ultimately pointless, this universe is going to turn off the lights one day. You ran a marathon because it satisfies the animal that you are. Doesn't it feel great to breathe in life after a hard task, pausing for a moment and letting the universe experience what it is to be the organic chemistry that is carrying your name? Does it not feel great to lose all your thought in a moment of lust where you cannot stop yourself and have to have that woman that is lying beneath you, eyes shut and lips apart in screaming ecstasy of a chemical dance? The illusion of free will is pointless and has no meaning, just as your life is pointless and has no meaning. You are chemically programmed to react to external stimuli, but the complexity of this chemical dance cannot be measured today: You don't know what will happen next and you don't know what your programming leads you to so why don't just enjoy the ride on this rock spaceship hurling through infinity?
It bothered me a long time ago. The ultimate scientific answer is that you simply cannot know as pure randomness may exist still in the quantum. A psychedelic experience induced by psilocybe cubensis is a great ally of mine, and my great teacher. Maybe it would give you some answers that you seek and have under your nose, but still can't put a finger on. Enjoy the journey brother.
I dont cope. I just live. life is absurd OP
Like today i had some spare money so i went and fucked a 8/10 stacy hooker for 40 euros.
now i had some tasty speghetti and drinking wine browsing Jow Forums smoking cigs.
Life is good
we only have 60 years here if we are lucky, just literally do whatever the fuck you want without ending up homeless on the street.