Death penanalty is good

They are pretty good and efficient.

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Literally no one thinks like that. You're in the minority here if you support death penalty. NPCs today are pussies.

it is fair. or argue why it isn't, oh wait you can't you dumb npc

Depends on where you live, faggot. There is still a huge appetite for the return of the death penalty in many western nations.

Literally every normie thinks rapists and murderers should be killed. Death Penalty is the pinnacle of NPC morals

what's the point of not having the death penalty if you still give out life sentences? how is rotting away in a cell until you die any better than just dying straight away?
either have the death sentence, or abolish life sentences
>mfw anders breivik killed 77 people and is going to be free in 15 years

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>Literally no one thinks like that.
People tell others to kill themselves just because they like anime girls nowadays you dipshit.

>they are not serious
You wish.

It's cause they should be,you enormous faggot. If someone is a danger to society then they should be killed off. We shouldn't waste human resources on them like that.

>Someone in a jail is a danger to society
Amazing logic. Why not just remove all prisons and kill all criminals you fucking mongrel?

Alright. Fair deal. Just don't break the law and you'll be fine.

The law is fucking retarded and no human on earth (except the jews who profit from them) thinks they're good.
>OH YOU SMOKED SOME WEED?? THAT WOULD 10000$ GOYIM YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SMOKE CIGS INSTEAD

Weed is for degenerates. Degenerates need to die. Cry baby faggots like you are hilarious, you don't even live in a country where you can be killed for selling drugs. You probably get probation at worst.

>Someone in a jail is a danger to society
people in prison waste government money, are threats to prison guards, and regularly return to lives of crime after getting out
so yes, they are a danger to society

>MUH DEGENRUCY
You're on Jow Forums you fucking faggot. Back to R*ddit or whatever shithole you came from.

>being an unironic dude weed lmao normie faggot
my sides
fuck off normie shitheel

>Weed is for degenerates
Good job ignoring half of the people falling to into it rather than enjoying it.

>Degenerates need to die
Nice hhitler logic.

People like you are why the death penalty is wrong, you like too much to act like gods.

Both are bad for you and both should be banned in my opinion. Besides if you have to smoke weed to get by then you don't deserve to live anyways.

The NPC argument is the liberal emotionally-reasoned opposition to the death penalty, though.

>Some of them are dangerous
Wow just like every fucking human on earth. Lets just kill all humans because there are dangerous ones.
>people in prison waste government money
Execution is more expensive than a life in prison and besides that the costs are a fucking joke compared to the other shit the government wastes money on.
Fuck off redditor cry about degenrucy somewhere else. I don't even smoke weed btw

but keeping them alive and contained and restricted is more empirical punishment than death, from our limited perspective of the matter.
maybe dying kicks ass no matter who you are and what you did? we can't know so why risk sending someone to some awesome post-life scenario when you can keep them in this life and make them suffer?

is it better to do it that way? is it better to make people suffer while the government takes on their financial burden or is it better for more death penalties?

>Mommy state should forbid you to harm yourself
Epic
>emotionally-reasoned opposition to the death penalty
So allowing it because criminals trigger you so much you think they deserve to die? The death penalty isn't rational and fuck off with your politics you obsessed subhuman.

>man murders some guy
>no don't hurt him it's not his fault
Freedom from responsibility isn't the ultimate NPC wish.

lolwat

"We shouldn't kill people since we don't know for sure that they're guilty and there are already cases of people being executed and later exonerated" is the mature, adult argument.

"Wahhh they're evil they did bad stuff they should die, I don't care that executing someone costs the state 100s of times more than housing them in jail for life!" is the ignorant emotionally-driven perspective.

>faggot makes political thread
>people disagree
>"no don't argue politics"
Fuck off.

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>killing someone costs more than feeding and providing for them for a lifetime
Lmao you can't be serious.

>LIBRUUULS UHHHH POLITICS FUCK YEAH
Dumb amerimutt no one cares about politics youtu.be/RJeugIJFXas

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Being anti-death penalty isn't solely a liberal position lmao.

People at best have the mind of teenagers. They need to be protected from themselves.

>implying we are alive

Educate yourself.

"Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost."
deathpenalty.org/facts/5-myths-death-penalty/
ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more_expensive_than_life_in_prison?
deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

most nonsense post of the day
>dude is it like better to waste resources to make people suffer???
no fucktard who cares how cool death is
>Execution is more expensive than a life in prison
because instead of executing them we give them unlimited appeals to waste money in court
if you get the death penalty you should be killed immediately, simple as that
>Wow just like every fucking human on earth. Lets just kill all humans because there are dangerous ones.
we can and should kill all humans that act on their dangerous impulses to society. don't want to die, don't act on them faggot

You browse Jow Forums, a site full of pedos, extremists and nutcases. You're a danger to society. You deserve to be killed.

court costs are neither inherent to a death penalty system nor necessary
so if your argument is "well but da current system is bad so da death penalty is forever bad!" you are genuinely braindead

>Give the state the power over life and death
>Good idea
You should think this over.

>most nonsense post of the day
>>dude is it like better to waste resources to make people suffer???
>no fucktard who cares how cool death is
what even are you trying to say with this reply user? can you rephrase it in a way that makes more sense and makes your point more clear please?

>because instead of executing them we give them unlimited appeals to waste money in court
>if you get the death penalty you should be killed immediately, simple as that
You're assuming everyone given the death penalty is guilty. This is false. The US government has executed INNOCENT PEOPLE.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution#United_States
deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

Literally what reason is there to kill people when it's much more expensive to do so than to leave them in prison for the rest of their lives?

thought crimes are not crimes, sorry
>implying the state doesn't already have power over life and death
keep believing in spooks like freedom or rights
no surprise someone who made an argument as braindead as yours can't understand such a simple rebuttal

>thought crimes are not crimes, sorry
>muh all-powerful government will always agree with me on this amirite

NPC's think the state is always right and aren't just criminals in uniforms
>KILLING IS BAD IN EVERY SINGLE CASE EXCEPT WHEN WE DO IT!!
Imagine not only defending these retards, but also implying they're right

Enforcing the death penalty isn't the problem here. The problem is the government being to fucking slow to act and keep pushing for trials because they're too much of pussies to actually give said. An actual death penalty takes one room and noose.

>court costs are neither inherent to a death penalty system nor necessary
Are you suggesting that we don't give people sentenced to death appeals when many of them are later exonerated?
The second link in has a list of everyone exonerated (AKA found innocent) on appeal.

>implying the state doesn't already have power over life and death
>The state has a lot of power, therefore it should have even MORE power, like being able to decide to execute people
Is this the power of autism?

Educate your fucking self, if people were executed immediately without appeal, then numerous innocent people would be executed.

>no surprise someone who made an argument as braindead as yours can't understand such a simple rebuttal
i'm trying to get more information out of you, i want to know more of your opinion and thoughts and you seem resistant to conversation for some reason. i'm not sure why you're being this way and being insulting, maybe you're one of those
>it's just Jow Forums, everyone calls people faggots here, don't be such a nigger about it xD
anons, i dunno. if you are, welcome to Jow Forums, try to enjoy your stay because you're not leaving.

regardless, i'm still interested in more of your thoughts if you'd like to share some without the caricature.

>WAAAAH THE POLICE IS JUST AS BAD AS CRIMINALS
>THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KILLING INNOCENTS AND MURDERERS
Imagine being this much of an unaware NPC.

They should get the same trial as a normal person and if concrete evidence is found in these extreme crimes enforce the death penalty. Poor state procedure in dragging out these trials for years is in no way necessary.

He's not talking about police; he's talking about this thought process:
>killing is bad
>this guy killed some people, which is bad
>let's kill him to punish him because killing is bad
>we don't deserve punishment though
???

>Murderer violated someone's right to live
>Therefore we should also violate that right on him
Perfect logic.

>THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KILLING INNOCENTS AND MURDERERS
You know you'll go to jail for killing murderers? You know you are a fucking murderer yourself for killing murderers? Do you think the executioner of murderers isn't a murderer just because the state says it's ok? Fucking hell keep sucking the dick of the state, NPC

There's no such thing as "super guilty".
Every single guilty verdict is meant to prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt; a verdict of "super guilty" would invalidate all non-"super guilty" verdicts. Even confessions to murder are frequently proven to be false.
That's not how the justice system works.

>guy kills innocents and he's a criminal now and his punishment is death
>we don't deserve punishment as we killed a person guilty of something
I don't see where the logic is broken here.

In practice the death penalty is the most cost effective way to permanently prevent an offender from reoffending again.

The reason it costs so much is because of brain dead liberal faggots like yourself who pose legal challenges to save every spic, nigger and mentally insane cunt. Often the legal challenges have nothing to do with saving the offender and are more used to create political leverage against the death penalty in general.

If a citizen killed the murderer, they would also be guilty of murder.
There is quite literally no good reason for the government to kill murderers when they can put them to work in jail for the rest of their life at a fraction of the cost.

Fingerprints and solid video evidence along with multiple witness testimonies are solid evidence that cannot be contradicted. If those don't exist don't give the death penalty.

He gets a really comfy jail cell, too. All for free. I want to murder tons of swedes, now.

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Vigilante justice does not work because in these cases there is typically no proper evidence. If the government carries out the punishment there will be evidence.

>In practice the death penalty is the most cost effective way to permanently prevent an offender from reoffending again.
What is "life in prison without parole", Alex?

>The reason it costs so much is because of brain dead liberal faggots like yourself who pose legal challenges to save every spic, nigger and mentally insane cunt.
The reason it costs so much is because we allow them to prove their innocence multiple times before being executed, which has in fact resulted in many exonerations where innocent people were saved from unjust killing.
Also
>assuming I'm a liberal
I'm just not some overemotional moron.

yearly Hunger Games with only people who have been sentenced to death.
televised and streamed in entirety (with paid sponsors and advertising of course)
whoever survives until the end gets congratulated on their victory and skill then humanely put to death via a blissful injection, also televised.

tell me why this is a bad idea.
but you can't tho.

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>b-but muh fear of gubbmint
lol
who cares if a small minority of people are innocent, sucks to suck
>state already has the power to decide to execute people
>"yeah but it would be SO BAD if we like gave them that power you know"
there is nothing between your skull
keep being brainlet

>If the government carries out the punishment there will be evidence.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution#United_States
deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

>muh librul boogeyman
Nice to know I'm arguing with a double digit IQ teenager. This thread isn't about your retarded american black and white politics. The best thing is how you faggots from Jow Forums know literally nothing about politics. It's like all of you dropped out of high school.
>LIBRUL IS EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE
>REPUBLICAN IS EVERYTHING I LIKE
Imagine being this stupid

>who cares if a small minority of people are innocent, sucks to suck
You don't care about killing innocents just to get some sick kind of revenge on a few criminals?
What reason is there FOR killing and not just life imprisonment?

>keep being brainlet
excellent retort my good sir

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Norway is cucked. He keeps complaining about his prison condition and the government keeps giving him better and better stuff.

>thinking emotion has anything to do with this
peak npc
>What reason is there FOR killing and not just life imprisonment?
it actually removes threats to society

>what is "life in prison without parole"

Fucking expensive. The tax payer suffers for this.

>These people would live if NPC's didn't support the death penalty
>They died just so some criminals who'd live in jail forever anyway can die earlier
Quite epic

>it actually removes threats to society
How does prison not do this?
Unless you're suggesting that murderers regularly escape from prison.

if you're really too fucking stupid to understand such a simple rebuttal that's all the effort you deserve

>>"yeah but it would be SO BAD if we like gave them that power you know"
>there is nothing between your skull
>No arguments
The fact that you don't even comprehend something so basic is both hilarious and terrifying. Two digits IQ for sure.

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Reminder that the prison system in the US is also subtle indentured servitude and exploitation of prisoners as effectively slaves.

"Studies of the California death penalty system, the largest in the US, have revealed that a death sentence costs at least 18 times as much as a sentence of life without parole would cost."
deathpenalty.org/facts/5-myths-death-penalty/
ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Is_the_death_penalty_more_expensive_than_life_in_prison?
deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

If you want someone who did a terrible crime to suffer then give them life in prison. Dying would be such an easy way out. Only problem is the tax dollars being used.

I've already asked for more of your thoughts and opinions and most of what you've supplied is buzzwords, memes, and insults about everyone not being as bigbrain as you.
One more time, if you have anything else you'd like to add or discuss about any of this without this 2edgy5me zoomer caricature attached, I'm genuinely interested.
otherwise, enjoy NO Uing back and forth with those other anons i guess.

you can keep trying to play intellectual high ground all you want but the fact of the matter is you can't even understand a basic rebuttal
>state already has power over life and death
>you worry that giving them a power THEY ALREADY HAVE is a bad idea
>i point this out
>"lol no arguments bro"
like i said, nothing between your skull

>What is life in prison without parole

Giving some one room and board for the rest of their life. Sounds pretty expensive to me.

I've already addressed your other point. In this day and age it isn't hard to definitively prove guilt with forensics. If you can't prove it 100% then they should be set free. Not some half way house leave them in jail to rot for the best years of their life.

>muh Jow Forums boogeyman

Guarantee you are regular visitor to that board. I'm not American but this is an American website, mostly inhabited by Americans and this discussion has mostly referred to American death penalty cases.

You're the retarded low IQ subhuman here because you can't help yourself from sperging out and getting viciously emotional.

>It's just a boogeyman!!
Are you actually fucking retarded? If you bring up politics all the time like some obsessed teenager I'll call you Jow Forums just like I'll call some ponynigger /mlp/, fucking brainlet.

>you can keep trying to play intellectual high ground all you want but the fact of the matter is you can't even understand a basic rebuttal
you're still hung up on this thing where you think i didn't understand you, but my last few posts have been asking for more information and opinions and thoughts about all this, not >plsexplainrebutal
and you're still just saying NO U and LOLBRAINLET to everyone but with too many words.

inb4
>stay brainlet lol
etc

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>you worry that giving them a power THEY ALREADY HAVE is a bad idea
>He thinks his country is the same as everyone else's
Just wait until your country is in the hands of a mad man, you will enjoy it.

>In this day and age it isn't hard to definitively prove guilt with forensics.

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Everyone deserves to die eventually, that's not the issue.
It's not that complicated, you're subject to your country and if you break their rules there are consequences. You don't get a say in this, it doesn't have to be fair, that's just what it is.

>>In this day and age it isn't hard to definitively prove guilt with forensics.
Hmm

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>Everybody is equal
>Nobody deserves death

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Gee someone bringing up political in relation to the death penalty? Thats just retarded.

Braindead momentum faggot detected.

No counter argument I see. Just childish cartoon responses that prove your own insecurities.

>Some guy who knows nothing about politics and spouts "LEFTIST" at everyone he doesn't like because he has no clue what he's talking about
Sounds like Jow Forums to me.

>he's arguing about his own country in a thread obviously about american politics
with every post you get dumber and dumber

>thread about a political topic
>"WHY U BRING UP POLITICS OMG GTFO BACK 2 Jow Forums"

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To the user(s) strongly in favor of the state having more death penalty, how do you feel about the state being in charge of eugenics? how would you feel about it if it was a current reality and you were still you?

Anti-death penalty politics in the West is generally a left wing talking point. Very rarely will you find a conservative, even Christcuck, being against it.

>implying putting people that are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to death is at all comparable to castrating people the state decides are inherently "undesirable"

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