>people claim "Incels are single because of their personality, not because of their looks"
>absolutely none of them are attractive, they're all very ugly to below-average looking people
You know you'd think at least one of these people would be an Abercrombie and Fitch model complaining on the internet about how they can't get laid
>absolutely none of them are attractive, they're all very ugly to below-average looking people
that there adult super vision
Of course incels are ugly. They hate women because women aren't attracted to them.
i bet the black guy has a massive cock
One would assume so.
He's also the only one who doesn't have that basic faggot face
i wonder how tall these guys are,the middle row look like manlets
90% of incels who have been exposed in public are at least decent, look at any incel channel/news interview/selfie thread and most of these dude are elliot roger-esque 6s and 7s who just act creepy and have no self confidence. If you have a murder stare, shake nervously, and slouch nobody will want to be near you even if u are handsome as shit
I worked with a legit a&f chad.
He wasn't a complete dick.
Normalfags will claim both things.
You see a lot of them saying that ""we"" (eventhough i dont edentify as an incel), are not that ugly, but only have nad personalities.
While at the same time they always indetify us as fat neckbearded mongols who live in the basement.
I think they only claim us to be "normal looking" because it fits their narrative that we are simply bad people, but i only think that is moderately true. There are all kinds of people in this board, and what i honestly think is that we are "here" because we simply dont like normalfags and their culture.
Most robots i've met never despite wanting to have a girlfriend and friends, they never claimed they wanted to partake in the average normie like of clubbing, watching dumb sports all the time and so on.
Seriously.
They say "looks are not important" and simultaneously call us ugly as an insult.
Yep, that is some of the hypocrisy that surroundig the "incel situation".
Another good one is the "virgin" insult. The is the one that pisses me off more often, since my group of friends use it as an insult all the time, despite knowing im a KHV. While at the same time they claim that "there is nothing wrong with being virgin man".
>The is the one
>This is the one*
Damn im bad at writting.
Most incels are ugly to average, a few, like the one Vice interviewed, are legitimately attravtive.
That doesn't contradict their points about incels being lonely because they're dicks, however. Of course hot people can get away with being jerks - they're hot. If you're not hot, you have to rely on other things. Specifically, being successful, funny, smart, or kind. Plenty of ugly to average men get gfs by virtue of these things. Robots have none of them, but they harp about their appearance because that's less mutable than the other traits and deflects accusations about personal responsibility.
The other thing is that the robot version of being a dick is a passive, bitchy one. If someone is a prick, but they're straightforward and active with their anger, there is still something oddly likeable about them. They're not beating about the bush or holding back their opinions to be "politically correct". They're speaking their mind. That's admirable.
But robots are anxious, so they act polite and unload their vitriol online until they snap and go all Rodge that can't be Dodged on everyone. There's nothing admirable about a passive aggressive dolt who is only inhibited from being a dick not by genuine compassion but by cowardice.
Case in point:
>be me
>talk to guy in my class
>he fixates on me all summer
>invite him to party
>he gets mad at me for not giving him a ride but says he's not mad
>later asks me be his gf
>say no
>asks for a date
>say no
>he tells me that it's cool and he's fine
>later in the night
>mention to the room I'm in a club for learning survivalist/outdoors skills
>someone says that sounds cool
>says he's free to come, but mention it costs money
>guy I rejected is drunk and pipes up
>"So you have to pay people to be your friends?"
>person curious about the club says, "Least she has friends, who the fuck invited you?"
>he quiets down
>as he leaves, when no one is looking, he tries wrecking the host's table.
Most of them are average and just need to clean up a little
Despite me being a robot i've met a lot of diferent people from over this board and a lot of them were actually nice people that only shitpost and feel lonely.
The case you had was genuine dickhead that had his head to far stuck up his ass.
And please dont try to give people advice and generalize how they behave like you did in the top post. Everyone is diferent from everyone, giving advice to a male public on how to behave to get women is never gonna get us anywhere.
How does someone get a bod like that?
By eating well.
positive attention growing up and a diet of food that isn't nuggies and choco milk
>ATTENTION INCELS!
The idea that normies think your personality is the problem is a complete strawman. People tell you to improve your personality because it's more actionable and useful feedback then telling you to some how compress your bones into a less hideous shape. Even people who get laid think people who think looks aren't important are retards - the incel community is not winning any nobel prizes for their incredible epiphany that the the things shitty moms say to their ugly sons about dating are not always accurate. If you actually want to improve your dating life, expand your non-sexual social circle. It's the only reliable way. If you wont or can't do that then you're just beyond help - how you deal with that is up to you.
Regardless, can we stop making these threads? There's no point in stating the obvious over and over again.
>like the one Vice interviewed, are legitimately attravtive.
>reading Vice
Imagine being this much of a literal roastie. Yep, can't imagine you aren't being brainwashed at all into believing these things. Totally just personal experience and da facts.
>"I met robots and they're nice!"
I get this response whenever I explain most robots make their own bed and bitch about laying in it.
Some robots really are nice and have been fucked by abuse, genetics, poverty, etc. However the majority of users on this site are absolute fucking jerks and cowards. Look at the stuff that has occured on this site (doxxing, etc.) and the things posted not in jest but sincerity.
I'm sure you're nice, and I'm sure your friends have been pleasant to you. However, you should keep in mind that you're a man like them. Of course they'll be nice to you. You think I haven't befriended people on this site? I've been here since 2007. It always goes like this:
>meet online friend through mutual interest
>form friendships that last anywhere between a month to two years
>admit I'm a woman OR tell anecdotes about my life with the genders flipped OR pretend to be a gay man and only flip my gender
>people who were kind and compassionate to me moments before suddenly hate me, start threatening me, or, at best, ghost me
Of course they're nice to you, user, you're like them. You trigger none of their worst attributes. You aren't denying them anything they want or reminding them of what they've failed to be by existing.
>you had a single incident with a dickhead
Or that was the one story I had room for.
>don't generalise
Yeah, because everyone is an atomised individual and there's no such thing as broad social demographics. That's why the "urban market" stole my bike while I was getting my PSL and no one knows what either I nor the thief look like after I say that.
Is my advice about robots being dicks applicable to everyone? Obviously not, I already said there are some genuinely nice people here whose only flaw is bad luck and mental illness. However, I didn't think I needed to preface my generalization with a caveat when referring to a majority who would almost certainly then count themselves as part of said caveat anyway.
>wall of text
Yup, this one's a roastie
>reading
Sup newfag. If you were on this board for more than six months, you'd remember that this interview was in the format of a Youtube video and widely posted on this board.
Anyway, nice ad hom. Sorry my post hurt your feelz.
Funny thing is that I'm good looking and I do my best to be a good person, constantly seeking self-improvement. The issue is that I don't believe in casual sex so basically I'm fucked. Modern girls are whores who don't want to get serious to begin with. I guess I'm volcel really, but it's not like I couldn't get laid if that was all I wanted
You make that sound like its not a credible reason to hate a group of people? Its bigotry to judge people based on traits they cannot control. Men are expected not to judge women on the endless list of vices and imperfections yet they are allowed to judge us.
Get fucked. There was a time not so long ago where women had no choices. Now its the opposite. You expect us to be happy about that?
>can't respond
>uses Shrek memes
Underageban.
The candor of this post is refreshing.
>no u guise i'm totally a oldfag i saw a video posted to utube 6 months ago!!!!
most of the guys in that pic aren't anything special facially, they're just jacked and have good haircuts
IM SO FUCKING UGLY, I LOOK LIKE FUCKING GOLLUM OR A DISGUSTING ALIEN PLZ KILL I WANT TO STOP SUFFERING
>lift and a haircut!
You're delusional
It's just a coincidence that all incels are shitty people? Hahahahaha
who the hell is reading this fucking life story
>Google, what is just world hypothesis?
they don't usually seem shitty as much as they seem afflicted.
you don't know what losing weight does for your face, eh?
would actually like to know,what does it do?
>casual sex
Basically this. My friends actively discuss planning their class schedule around when their beaus are free to fuck. It's insane.
And if you without sex, it's seen as some manipulative tactic to try and get a ring on a finger ("Can't let them get the milk without buying the cow!") rather than a genuine preference to get to know someone without ulterior motives.
>refers to what I said in another post here
Oh God, you're a samefag too?
(You), evidently.
>actionable
You are right that normies are afraid of things being unresolveable. They believe in a Just World Hypothesis and need to offer some solution even when there is none to avoid cognitive dissonance in themselves.
However, the issue I have with your post is that very few people - the far left of the bell curve - are truly Elephant Man tier. Most people are salvageable and thus normie advice IS applicable to them.
Rest of the post is solid.
>not credible
It isn't.
>it's bigotry
By that definition, liking anyone better than anyone else is bigotry. There's neurological reasons for our personality traits so if you don't befriend a completely annoying idiot you're a bigot!
The alternative, not-crazy approach is that bigotry refers to the relationships between individuals and institutions. It's wrong for ugly people to be denied the boat, it's not wrong for them to be denied free sex or romance. To argue anything else is basically pussy-Marxism you commie hack.
>we can't judge women!
Except literally no one but fat acceptance people and trannies insist that men should fuck women they find ugly or male. And everyone laughs at them. So how does this justify you being the exact same thing, but for men? You're the male (male) Riley Dennis.
Yeah, my thought exactly. Even i look better than them facially.
my god another autobiography
Not reading the whole wall of text, but if you're a fat ugly hairy 25+ KHV fembot, I'll marry you.
>there are several long posts in this thread
>but you only respond to mine
>meaning you read it and are posting this because it hurt your feelings but you can't formulate a response
Stay mad and don't let the bot inhibit you saying the same shit again. Last response 'cause I wanna masturbate.
who are you to fucking judge, check your privilege.
>full of herself even though she lives life on easy mode
>It isn't
It is.
>Call him a commie
LMAO. Expecting men to be happy that the dating game is rigged against them is ludicrous. Deal with it. Incels wouldnt exist if women opened their legs to everyone.
Being fat is a choice. Being short or not a chad for example is not. Women can lose weight, get surgery and wear makeup.
I suggest you go back to plebbit you shitcunt.
You mean brings out the facial structure someone already possesses?
Who are you to judge me for judging?
>women can get surgery but I can't make myself taller
There's surgeries for that.
>if women fucked everyone there wouldn't be incels
>literally advocating for pussy-Marxism
And if the free market didn't exist we'd totally live in a magical, corruptionless utopia where everyone was happy. No one would have any personal liberty in who they fucked or what they owned, but, uh, equality...and that's good...cause...uh...I'm too pathetic or unwilling to compete and everyone else must suffer as a result. Hi Elliot.
>You are right that normies are afraid of things being unresolveable. They believe in a Just World Hypothesis and need to offer some solution even when there is none to avoid cognitive dissonance in themselves.
If you don't mind me offering some informal insight into the normie mind, the usual response when incels ask for dating advice - even "salvageable" incels - is complete disgust. Since you can't show that in public people make up some trite advice off the top of their head to get you to go away. This pattern occurs online, as well - both male and female normies react to the idea that someone might need a tutorial on talking to girls the same way they might react to finding a next of maggots in their trash. There are lots of reasons for this, all of them stupid, but I think bubble-headed bluepill morons are, as you put it, the far left of the bell curve, even in the normie set. Most people are just too polite to be publicly disgusted.
>However, the issue I have with your post is that very few people - the far left of the bell curve - are truly Elephant Man tier. Most people are salvageable and thus normie advice IS applicable to them.
No, it's applicable to them if they are normies. To put it another way, you need to look decent and be socially functional in order to get laid. The "incel classic" with a working brain but a hideous face is no better or worse off than the mentalcel who face or no face will never figure out how to form a friendship, let alone the perfect relationship in his head. This is where normies actually are bubble-headed - we assume that because socialization comes naturally to us, it comes naturally to incels, too. Being ugly is also strongly correlated with bad social skills. Incels can take normie advice, but only if the normie understands both the incel phenomenon and the specific incel.
>Rest of the post is solid.
Thank you.
Im the user you previously replied to.
>Of course they're nice to you, user, you're like them. You trigger none of their worst attributes.
Well that may be true. I can never tell.
The majority of this board or even website may be a giant pile of assholes and bitter people. But you have to honestly take most of the shit posted here with a grain of salt. I honestly cant understand how admiting you are a woman to someone can make them be so agressive or distant. Perhaps they got afraid or could no longer associate with you.
The thing is, in my defenition, being a "robot" is someone that is KHV and has trouble getting along other people and fit into their "culture". Im all of those, yet i still have a close group of friends i most of the time can relate with and they all have gfs who i am friends with aswell and get along well. Yet i still dislike most of the normie hobbies and lifestyle such as clubbing, football, drinking, smoking and social media obession, just to name drop a few.
There are lots of people i knew that are like me in some way, yet they are still nice, caring and respect the oposite gender. And just so happen to be shy and afraid of interacting with someone of the oposite gender.
You need to relax and find better people that you know you can get along with at first.
There isnt much else here i can say besides this, honestly. Its a weak responce and a weak advice. I just wanted to make a point that not everyone is the way you think it is.
>And if the free market didn't exist we'd totally live in a magical, corruptionless utopia where everyone was happy. No one would have any personal liberty in who they fucked or what they owned, but, uh, equality...and that's good...cause...uh...I'm too pathetic or unwilling to compete and everyone else must suffer as a result. Hi Elliot.
Sounds more like the mindset of an average woman.
i think Jow Forums talking about womens advantages has gone to this roasties head
>normie insights
Well, I'm a normie by admission.
>disgust
I am not sure. I think some normies generally feel compassionate and think highly enough of themselves that they could "grandfather" some loser into being a success - helps them develop a positive self concept of someone who "earned" their happiness.
With that said, I do think that there is a level of social awkwardness that does promote disgust in that it rubs against social norms. Awkward people (and I definitely am one) say racial slurs, politically incorrect things, etc. Even more awkward people (entering robot territory) infringe upon convention or fail to act "cool". Normies feel an exasperated "oh my God dude" sentiment. They can't imagine the lack of self awareness produced by social isolation and 'tism.
>applicable to them if they are normies
Okay, whatever, semantics. Call them failed normies LARPing as bots then. Most people here are failed normies. True bots are rare. But most failed normies call themselves bots so it makes sense I would address them as such.
>ugly
>correlation with awkwardness
Could there be confounding variables like mental incompetency? I could see a deformed person being intellectually deficient. But yeah, generally being ugly means bullying which means brain truama. And I don't think normies like that because that goes beyond the jist world and makes them halfway accountable for the problem, in a sense.
>not to diminish a robot's or failed normie's responsibility
>And if the free market didn't exist we'd totally live in a magical, corruptionless utopia where everyone was happy. No one would have any personal liberty in who they fucked or what they owned, but, uh, equality...and that's good...cause...uh...I'm too pathetic or unwilling to compete and everyone else must suffer as a result. Hi Elliot.
This is a false dichotomy. It's like saying that we have to make Hamburger Helper for dinner and that the only other possible thing we could do with hamburger is eat it raw. There are a truly staggering number of proposal for a marketless society, many of them allowing for considerable personal liberty and even more of them are just slight tweaks to the free market anyway. Does the free market just explode if you regulate or control it in any way? The last 500 years seem to suggest otherwise.
All the free market does is create coupons, distributed at random by accidents of birth, that people can spend to control other people. If that's not a form of aristocratic oppression I must have missed some magical property of the market that magically gives people the ability to not starve or be in agony if they make the wrong decision.
Lookism can make any attractive men question themselves.
There are some retards who are literal Chads who get laid and still are super self conscious because they got into that bullshit lookism crap.
Most incels are ugly, but some of them got themselves hooked on that lookism bullshit.
>Well, I'm a normie by admission.
Good, then, we can talk as peers.
>I am not sure. I think some normies generally feel compassionate and think highly enough of themselves that they could "grandfather" some loser into being a success - helps them develop a positive self concept of someone who "earned" their happiness.
I've been in friend groups that tried to shape up a marginal guy and at first it seemed to work wonders, as hygiene, manners, and conversation all improved. Still, though, no one ever had the stomach to set this guy up or be his wingman, so there was only so far we could take him, and he stalled out right where we stopped managing things. In those rare instances where he did try and hit on girls (usually girls new to the group), we had made his new persona so stiff and informal that he couldn't relate. We had shaped him up not to free him from loneliness, but to make his company less bothersome at the dinner table. And we all knew it.
>Okay, whatever, semantics. Call them failed normies LARPing as bots then. Most people here are failed normies. True bots are rare. But most failed normies call themselves bots so it makes sense I would address them as such.
It seems like you're a smart guy and forgive me if I'm misleading you, but I've been hanging around in incel forums since before that word was invented. Trust me, these guys have seen your tough love routine before. Hell, put two incels in a room for long enough and eventually one of them will be screaming about how pathetic they are as the other furiously does pushups. "An aggressive programme of self-improvement" is everyone's first idea, and nobody would be here if it worked as easily as you claim.
>comment continued in next post thanks autism
Hey, I know that pic! I saw it on /his/ a million years ago. It's artillery during WW1.
>take most of this with a grain of salt
Shitposting? Sure. But a lot of this isn't shitposting. Infographics? Pages and pages of threads full of ranting? That's not shitposts.
And even in irony one tries out ideas that they're not ready to accept fully yet. Humour is often aggressive, and why someone feels the need to mock another group of people is a worthy question.
>aggressive
Felt like I was a liar. They would emotionally relate to me as a person and then find out I was someone they believed incapable of higher emotions. Thus anything I shared must be characterised as false. Cognitive dissonance. That's pretty rage inducing.
>friends
Fucking normie. In all seriousness, you sound pretty well adjusted and opimistic about people. Trouble is I think you're giving a lot of these people way too much credit, and that cripples any effective analysis of their situation.
>normie lifestyle
But most people think that shit's lame. Okay, maybe not drinking and football.
>relax
>find better people
I have plenty of IRL friendships. I just also had those negative experiences forming online friends, mostly when I was more socially deprived (back when I first started coming here).
>not everyone
I never said "everyone". I said a group of people and then clarified that was hyperbole for "most" when you (fairly) challenged that.
>"if other people exhibit this shitty quality then it means I don't."
Splinters, logs in eyes, etc.
>there are tons of marketless alternatives!
>like variations on the free market
Is this a joke?
Anyway, dude, if you wanna pick at the analogy and discuss free markets, sure, but the post was not advocating for reforms. It advocated for "women opening their legs" to everyone - which is a fully planned sexual economy. That isn't me creating a false equivalence, that's me responding to what the post said.
>Could there be confounding variables like mental incompetency? I could see a deformed person being intellectually deficient. But yeah, generally being ugly means bullying which means brain truama. And I don't think normies like that because that goes beyond the jist world and makes them halfway accountable for the problem, in a sense.
Trauma is not just something that happens to war vets and rape victims. Get fired in a humiliating way, you can find yourself barely able to go in to your next job because of the fear. Have nasty breakup with cheating and all the trimmings? It'd make sense that you might have some resentment you'd carry over to women in general, regardless of whether or not those resentments are justified.
An ugly person experiences social rejection from the time they're a little kid to the time they die. As a little kid I had access to a whole world of elementary school fondling and make-out sessions that my best friend, owing to his ugly face, narrow body, and small penis, never even knew existed. He's doing okay now, but I can totally see how a guy in his position would never get a chance to practice and the bullying would only get worse and they feel farther and rather behind.
The thing that creates incels is social ostracism. There's a million reasons it can happen but once it happens the damage is deeper than trivialized self-improvement can fix.
>>"if other people exhibit this shitty quality then it means I don't."
>Splinters, logs in eyes, etc.
Strawman, cunt.
>Is this a joke?
No, just poor proofreading. What I meant to say is hat countless alternatives to unregulated markets exist, I apologize.
>Anyway, dude, if you wanna pick at the analogy and discuss free markets, sure, but the post was not advocating for reforms. It advocated for "women opening their legs" to everyone - which is a fully planned sexual economy. That isn't me creating a false equivalence, that's me responding to what the post said.
Oh, no, I had just been giving this some thought and I saw my chance. To stay on topic, though, assuming we don't buy into the notion that women are someone diminished by sexual activity, why not encourage them to be as free with their affections as possible? It'll only take them an extra 40 or so minutes a day, assuming they fuck twice, and the morale of the entire world would be noticeably improved.
I don't actually advocate for this but the conservative response is always some variation on "sluts are gross" and the liberal response is the even more nonsensical "her body too" - this proposal is not advocating coercion, only encouragement.
That's very true but I also think mental illness and social anxiety and shit play a massive role too.
Normalfags and women think incels are either ugly neckbeards or they can be attractive but have bad personalities. They don't want to accept the fact some guys are really ugly and most women don't want that, or many are shy around girls, which is also shit if you want a gf
>It's artillery during WW1.
Not really sure if it is artillery or flare shots, cant quite recall the discussion behind this.
>But most people think that shit's lame.
Yeah right, atleast where i live that is not true, i live in south european country that is still a few steps back from all the other countries.
Most normies dont read, dont care about history, culture or even try to listen to new genres of music, and feel all hipsters and underground when they say they like pink floyd. Its countless the amount of time i've been called out because i read and enjoy "music without vocals". This is only the tip if the iceberg when dealing with most of the normies.
>I have plenty of IRL friendships. I just also had those negative experiences forming online friends, mostly when I was more socially deprived
I honestly dont understand how someon like you ends up here, specially in this hell of a board that is known to hate women when you have IRL friends. There are far better boards in my opinion, that you could use and still retain sanity.
I also may have IRL friends, but since we all went to universities, we simply havent that much time to spend together, specially when they all have girlfriends to give attention to first. The last 3 years i've spent like 80% of the time alone.
What is that image even coming from? It ain't no incel thing. These guys had interest since middle or high school. If someone claimed they were incel, it's just to try and discredit anyone who claims to be.
>But robots are anxious, so they act polite and unload their vitriol online until they snap and go all Rodge that can't be Dodged on everyone. There's nothing admirable about a passive aggressive dolt who is only inhibited from being a dick not by genuine compassion but by cowardice.
Yes goy. Every robot is like Elliot, and are going to shoot up some place. That's why it has happened like 100,000 times already.
Not even ugly people want to date ugly people
Isn't it funny how just when the 80/20 rule started to spread the word "Incel" became a thing? It's like they wanted to silence us by shaming anyone who talked about it.
>less bothersome
I'm tempted to say this is where "sink or swim" benefits a person.
>tough love
That's because you think I'm advocating for anons getting Jow Forums. My first post said these people are jerks and focusing on looks is an excuse they use to avoid facing that.
>truama re. women
Except most self proclaimed robots don't even approach women. They brag/lament about not speaking to women for years. A good portion of these people fixate on some girl, then have meltdowns that she didn't fall into their lap.
Of those that do ask a girl, a minority have a truamatic experience. A woman saying no isn't truamatic unless your perception of the world is profoundly warped.
Your argument about truama would be credible to me if the majority of robots were being laughed out of the room by women they approach, but that's not accurate at all. Elliot Rodger didn't approach a single woman.
>your friend
You're right that ugly kids get bullied and rejected and this compounds into depressed self esteem. However, this was the thesis of my first post: People need to get something out of their relationships. If you're not hot, you better be funny, smart, or kind. If you have that, you'll probably end up alright. Even your friend has a friend.
>social ostracism
Not necessarily. Literally no one saw the V-Tech guy get bullied. He was even invited to parties by his chad roommates. However, because he was too much of a pussy to try and reach out, and no white gf fell into his lap, he felt persecuted. Many robots feel that way. "It's their fault for not rushing to accomodate me. This is tantamount to abuse". It's snowflake logic.
TLDR: Most of these people weren't truanatised, they're cunts. Those that were suffer unfair deficits outside their control, but can't use that as an excuse to be a cunt. Most people in life will be happy if they stop being cunts. The minority that are unhappy regardless of cunt-status are rare and truly tragic.
bang ur dead now ahahah
A normie heroin addict that had a girlfriend before moderates a discord for incels and somehow self-identifies as an incel.
Proceeds to talk to a roastie interviewer as if he is the authority of incels or robots.
Roasties fall for it.
Then why bitch about a different group of people exhibiting a trait if you weren't hoping to deflect blame?
>why not encourage them to be as free
Because a state mandated social program encouraging women to have sex would cost tons of taxpayer's dollars, proliferate STDs, and targets one group of people specifically to be socially programmed by their government.
>encouragement
Except you're not describing encouragement at all. You're describing emotional blackmail, aka coercion. A mild form, yes, but coercion.
Your entire argument is "the world will be sad and violent if women don't fuck them". That implies that they are somehow culpable for the feelings of others. Which they're not. No one is responsible for anyone else's feelz. It's why trigger warnings are gay, and why expecting women to fuck men or else they'll be sad is gay.
And if anything, your solution would make things worse. Your "solution" would demonstrate that if men cry and whine and shoot enough preschoolers in the head, they can get a state mandated fuck. Why stop there? Why not just keep shooting preschoolers and throwing tantrums until you get a state mandated wife? Come on women, it's just half your life, is it really not worth saving preschoolers? And hell, women can play the game, too. Why not have some lardass fat rights activist say she's going to bomb the local supermarket unless the guy who plays Loki in the Marvel movies eats her sour cream dipped pussy and Chris Evans spoonfeeds her ice cream. Come on, Chris, she was going to kill dozens of innocent people!
The moment we create a society where groups of people, men or women, are personally responsible (either through "encoragement" or law) for the failures of others is the day we sanction negotiating with terrorists and all hell breaks loose.
Why is it that whenever the incel question is asked, a woman enters the discussion and has to provide her .02 cents?
Like what would any modern woman know about the struggles of loneliness and undesirablility in the Information Age?
>how the normie side lives
I think were dealing with sampling bias here. I live in a first world county and go to a super ritzy college despite being a smelly poorfag. Most people brag incessantly about their literary habits. Of course, that is easily just another form of normiehood.
The other issue I have with that is it's not a either/or type deal. I'm not a bot, but I'm pretty smart (getting a STEM phd) and I like to go out dancing and drink beer. Am I an evil roast? To most anons, sure, but you seem relaxed enough not to shriek blindly at me and recognise I can have things in common with you, a bot, and like things you dismissed as peak normie without necessarily being fully integrated in "normie culture". That's sort of what I meant when I said most people think those things are lame. Someone who just parties all day is just some loser junkie to most sections of society, I think.
>no vocals
But that's wrong. Human voice best instrument.
>but progressive rock is good
>unless you're a piperfag
>in that case you're wrong but syd barrett a cute
>ends up here
I was a sweaty, weird girl who was bullied intensely so I sat up on Jow Forums, Fanfiction.net and Deviantart.
>hate women
Eh, it's not that shocking.
>better boards
This isn't my main board.
>80% alone
I like to think it isn't that much for me, but if probably is. I like a lot of alone time and then regret choosing to be alone. Plus I study a lot because I need that scholarship cash. Basically, I sort of know that feel, user.
>because not every incel shoots up a school, that means comparing them to someone who came from their community and has become both a joke and genuine folk hero to them is a nonsequiter.
>"but he wasn't a real incel!"
But he identified as one. Most of my posts were directed at failed normies who identify as robots, but, uh, sure, play semantics like a retard then.
I mean, there can honestly be lonely women also out there that are trying to find somone that best fits them. Who knows.
It is also our fault that everyone mass replies to them just because they are women.
The problem lies within ourselves and not the women who post here.
Why is it that whenever the woman question is asked, an incel enters the discussion and has to provide his .02 cents?
Like what would any modern incel know about the personalities, goals, and behaviour of women to justify the fact /womenhate/ threads are in the Infographics Age now?
I've been with 31 women, but I have been browsing this board since its inception.
I guess I am an incel, VICE I am up for a paid interview. HMU.
they live in a bubble of acceptance and to be disagreed with is a new experience, they just throw walls of words at you because they've never learned to be succinct as one of the many social skills they don't pick up on easy mode.
>Then why bitch about a different group of people exhibiting a trait if you weren't hoping to deflect blame?
Still strawmanning.
Eggman has had plenty of girlfriends and is a wagecuck, yet he probably WOULD have something relevant to say about incels, robots, etc. Nice false equivalence though.
Still (originally) deflecting.
>there can honestly be lonely women also out there that are trying to find somone that best fits them
And I agree with this. But do you think a modern womans concept of loneliness is at least similar to that of her male counterpart?
>an incel enters the discussion
Kek, classic. Im a normie who has a lot of casual sex. I am in no way incel or able to empathize with how lonely men live in this day and age.
Having been with a lot of women from Tinder, Ive seen how it looks from their perspective. Even the below average girls Ive fucked, who complain about a lack of male attention at times, have hundreds of unread messages and likes from men on dating apps.
It just seems to me that a womans view of loneliness stems from a lack of quality men and mens loneliness stems from a lack of quantity
to be honest incels can be nonvirgins. it's not like the guys here are just chads in waiting, if they ever get sex it will not be regular.
>I'm tempted to say this is where "sink or swim" benefits a person.
>That's because you think I'm advocating for anons getting Jow Forums. My first post said these people are jerks and focusing on looks is an excuse they use to avoid facing that.
Getting Jow Forums isn't the tough love part, it's the "sink or swim" part. You're right that we all need to limit our responsibilities to what we can actually handle, but simply washing your hands of a human being and letting them spiral into agony because you've suddenly decided that they're ready to "do this on their own" is a poor friendship indeed. Setting health boundaries is not the same thing is abdicating all responsibility.
>Except most self proclaimed robots don't even approach women. They brag/lament about not speaking to women for years. A good portion of these people fixate on some girl, then have meltdowns that she didn't fall into their lap.
Not talking to girls for years and oneitis are both maladaptive responses to trauma, just like a bone that heals wrong. You seem to assume that healthy people just up and decide to be incels as some kind of self-indulgent fashion statement.
>Of those that do ask a girl, a minority have a truamatic experience. A woman saying no isn't truamatic unless your perception of the world is profoundly warped.
The trauma can happen really early on. An ugly boy hands a little girl a flower and she shrieks and runs away. More likely, when women other than your mother simply ignore you as best they can that's it's own kind of hell.
>Your argument about truama would be credible to me if the majority of robots were being laughed out of the room by women they approach, but that's not accurate at all. Elliot Rodger didn't approach a single woman.
This is ridiculous. When a guy is laying on the ground, screaming that he's hurt and can't walk, do you stand him up a couple of times and force him to do a few laps, just in case he wasn't really motived enough to walk?
>continued
>You're right that ugly kids get bullied and rejected and this compounds into depressed self esteem. However, this was the thesis of my first post: People need to get something out of their relationships. If you're not hot, you better be funny, smart, or kind. If you have that, you'll probably end up alright. Even your friend has a friend.
You're right on this, and a lot of robots are so deep in a whole that they have no asset to leverage into getting any of these things. And yet we sit here and tell them they're not trying hard enough and just need to give up their bitter attitudes on life.
>Not necessarily. Literally no one saw the V-Tech guy get bullied. He was even invited to parties by his chad roommates. However, because he was too much of a pussy to try and reach out, and no white gf fell into his lap, he felt persecuted. Many robots feel that way. "It's their fault for not rushing to accomodate me. This is tantamount to abuse". It's snowflake logic.
Ostracism can come in many forms. There was a girl in my high school who was the daughter of a celebrity. Everyone was so scared of her dad that no one dared date her or even really be friends with her, despite her presence at the school being a big point of pride for most students. If you have fatal autism, it doesn't matter how many parties you're invited to, you can't follow up. you end up alone, and your brain starts to respond like other people did it to you on purpose.
>TLDR: Most of these people weren't truanatised, they're cunts. Those that were suffer unfair deficits outside their control, but can't use that as an excuse to be a cunt. Most people in life will be happy if they stop being cunts. The minority that are unhappy regardless of cunt-status are rare and truly tragic.
The majority of people in the world do back-breaking agricultural labor to barely stay afloat and suffer painful and embarrassing diseases that cost less to completely cure than even a single one of my sex toys.
>Because a state mandated social program encouraging women to have sex would
Let's take these one by one:
>cost tons of taxpayer's dollars
We already have sex education in place. Would adding "sex is a nice thing you can do for your friends and acquaintances, and you don't owe anyone sexual loyalty?" so expensive we have to de-fund food banks or something?
>proliferate STDs
Actually, the single biggest factor keeping STDs alive in first-world countries is inadequate sex education. So as long as you pair this encouragement with strict guides to safe sex, you should actually see STD rates drop.
>and targets one group of people specifically to be socially programmed by their government.
So does literally every other proposal for every social program ever proposed. Was the government brainwashing hillbillies in the 30s by forcing them to send their kids to real schools instead of one-room shacks? Or how about a similar effort to eliminate the notorious practice of child brides in rural Appalachia? Is your libertarianisim so deep you'd tolerate kiddy-diddling as long as the government kept out of it?
>Except you're not describing encouragement at all. You're describing emotional blackmail, aka coercion. A mild form, yes, but coercion.
Explain to me how the world would be worse, with the advent of condoms and birth control, if having sex was as simple as asking for a ride home or small favor.
>Your entire argument is "the world will be sad and violent if women don't fuck them". That implies that they are somehow culpable for the feelings of others. Which they're not. No one is responsible for anyone else's feelz. It's why trigger warnings are gay, and why expecting women to fuck men or else they'll be sad is gay.
That's not my argument - others would benefit as well. And I challenge your contention that no one is responsible for other people's feelings. If I come up and pepper spray you, you should be cool with that, right? Pain is just a feeling.
>Am I an evil roast? To most anons, sure, but you seem relaxed enough not to shriek blindly at me and recognise I can have things in common with you, a bot, and like things you dismissed as peak normie without necessarily being fully integrated in "normie culture".
Yeah, we already discussed that and i agree with you and understand the point you are trying to make.
Im too shy to enjoy dancing and parties, the music and the ambient are mostly trash in my opnion and i get tired of being pushed around (being a 5'3ft manlet in my case probably doesnt help). I can enjoy drinking a few bears from time to time, eventough i mostly take a position of being completly drug free. I honestly think people like you would find me very boring to be around and look down on me in this matter.
>but I'm pretty smart (getting a STEM phd)
Im also in the process of taking my master's in Electrical engineering.
>But that's wrong. Human voice best instrument.
Never said human vocals are bad, whether they are the best or not is topic for another discussion.
>progressive rock is good
It was one of my favourite genres from my teens desu, Yes and Mike Oldfield are still some of the best bands/artist i've heard.
>I like a lot of alone time and then regret choosing to be alone.
People arent completly social creatures as bosses and employers make it out to be. Humans, in my opinion, are only moderately social, in the same way wolves and elephants are, and not as bees and ants. Every needs time for themselves and some more than others. Its already 5Am here and i need to get some rest, will probably only read your last reply next day when the thread is already dead, see you user.
Oh god it's you again. Get a life.
>I'm not an incel!
The user doth protest too much. Anyway, my post was to demonstrate how you'll bitch about women speaking outside their frame of reference regarding incels, but won't comment on the inverse.
Yeah. Or someone can become an incel after a truama or accident.
>letting them spiral
I disagree. Pathetic people stay pathetic because they're enabled.
My mom used to have friends that were "bothersome at the dinner" table, as you put it, and she kept being their friends. These tedious bores would show up drunk complaining about boyfriend #188 because that was a guranteed way to get attention.
If my mom just said, "get a therapist", they'd have to because they wouldn't have my mom to coddle them.
I'm not saying ditch your friends. The night before I wrote my GMAT I stayed up talking to a friend going through a divorce. I had a 6'3 schizophrenic friend threaten to take his eyeballs out and I had to talk him down whilst alone in his apartment as a 5'5 woman. However, every single one of these people were smart, talented, funny, or at least kind to me. If someone is an mean, stupid, boring loser with nothing to offer how does either of us benefit from me coddling them and pretending I want to be around them? Because I used to do that, jist like my mom. The end result was the same: Some mentally ill loser would psychologically fixtate on me and try to emotionally blackmail me into sucking their dick.
>no, really, I had a guy in my computer class
>who I only talked to because I felt sorry for him
>threaten to slash his wrists in a video chat unless I came over to his house after I turned him down for a date
At some point you have to accept you can't save the world. Those who are truly contempitible sometimes need to fall on their ass and contemplate why they're alone. They might have a tragic backstory, that doesn't mean I should let abusive hacks into my life.
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Its more complex than that. Anyone who tells you that looks aren't everything is as retarded as someone who tells you that looks are everything.
The problem with most of us, both "incels" and"robots" (if there's really any difference) usually comes from a lack of self esteem and social experiences. Which sometimes do result from being ugly, since ugly people usually have a hard time socializing. Its a snowball effect. You get ostracized since a young age, you retract to your shell, become bitter and lose all your chances at socializing, and then boom you're in your 20's and still have less experience and worse social skills than your average 15 years old, and its incredibly hard to get out of this hole, since you're so far behind, and no one wants to bother helping the socially retarded 21 years old guy get better at making friends.
I don't think that most robots are bad people, I really don't want to, after all its here when I have read some of the nicest comments aimed at the outcast of society, but I do agree that those who identify as incels usually have an absolute putrid personality. incels.me for example is an absolute shitfest in that sense even if I can relate to them in some aspects and can understand that a life of being shat on will make you a hateful human being.
>defend my status as a normie
>god look how defensive he gets
Subversive and not constructive. 8/8
>but wont comment on the inverse
Of course I didnt comment. I asked a question. Is there really a modern woman that can provide a similar frame of reference to the pure isolation and social aloofness that comes with modern involuntary celibacy?
If you're ugly there is no hope for you, everything you do will be seen in a bad light. Look up the halo effect.
>self indulgent
And you seem to think that all robots ars the product of truama without even entertaining the possibility they're at least partially responsible for their lot.
>treated as ugly
So? I was an ugly kid. Plenty of boys mocked me. I don't use that as an excuse to hate all men.
>the walking argument
Not seeing your point.
>and here we sit
I did it. I had an incredibly rough childhood and had the chance to get revenge on some popular girls. Except I decided to be the bigger person, chose to be nicer, tried harder in school, and things improved. It's possible for the majority of people on this board.
>your brain assumes ...on purpose
Completely fair. I was so used to being bullied that getting pumped in the hallway was interpreted as a direct attack. I solved this paranoia by realising the world didn't revolve around me.
>the majority of people
>derails my post discussing a specific group by playing semantics
ok
>it wouldn't cost much
It would when most teachers would object. Then you'd have to convince them. That'd take money. And so on up the chain.
>it would drop
Yeah, until someone cries that a woman not swallowing their cum or taking their seed makes them feel "rejected".
>what about kid fucking?
Intervening in preventing a crime from occuring is not the same as encouraging a group of people to acquiesce to the demands of another's feelings. If I rape a kid, I'm infringing on their bodily autonomy and the state should stop me. But if the state tells me to call someone "xir" and suck their feminine penis to fight beta uprising and transphobia, then they can fuck right off because I committed no crime.
>that's not my argument
>completely avoids the dangerous precedence his ideas would set and the problems that would arise
>pepper spray
Except that's assault. If you think we're responsible for feelings, what if I feel raped by an beta looking at me? Should he be punished for my feelings?
>what if I feel raped by an beta looking at me? Should he be punished for my feelings?
He already is, what are you on about?
>boring
Nah. You're into science and like prog. I think you're cool.
>Yes
Literally why pic related is the eternal husbando.
>semi social
This. Some more than others. I don't think we're meant to live in massive bee-like complexes of millions of people. It's exhausting.
Sleep tite, user.
And I asked you a question - is there an incel that understands women?
Sure, whatever, okay. Let's accept that as true without question. Now, DO you think that should be the case? If not, congrats, you believe in personal responsibility and this and the notion the government should promote women fucking incels 'cause they're sad should be equally laughable.
>Elliot Rodger didn't approach a single woman.
Retard speaking out of your ass, reflective of your entire thought process. Elliot approached women several times, even if you were too stupid/lazy to read his manifesto why would you make this assumption knowing you were completely ignorant of the topic? I'll save you the backpedaling, it's because you don't really give a shit and you already have a belief of incels in your head that you want to propagate regardless of reality.
>his manifesto
Except he doesn't. In his manifesto he goes to bookstores and coffee shops and..waits. The only time he approached a woman was when he threw drinks at them. Give me some fucking citations if I'm wrong.
>is there an incel that understands women
How can I answer that when I myself am admittedly non-incel?
Are you even going to attempt to answer the question or continue asking questions in an attempt to keep a perceived intellectual superiority?
>gets mentioning he's not an incel
Hmm.
>how can
You could use your eyes to see what they say and compare it to what you think is true of women, if you think understanding women is possible. There. Easy peasy. This is why that intellectual superiority thing isn't a matter of perception.
>continuing to ask questions rather than answer is a cover for stupid people
>he says as he asks yet another question
ANyone else know that feel when youre looking in the mirror and you kinda think youre looking good today and then you go back later to the mirror and you see a hideous monster staring at you and then u get sad
What do you expect? For women to completely overlook your attractiveness and for what? You're amazing personality? And only idiots expect men to not have standards and your on par with those fools for believing this horseshit