How bad is it to take adderall once in a while if you don't have ADHD?

not like a purely recreational shit drug like cocaine or something

I wouldn't be, except "once in a while" turns into "oh no I have another project due in two days" turns into "I had to do speed all week to get my projects done and I need to stop now, but today I'll just do a half dose to help with the come down" and I think you know where it goes from there.

>How dangerous is it
Its not dangerous as long as you dont do too much or mix too many things on top of it.
its not methamphetamine, just amphetamine.

that's what I thought

Yeah ur right but that's why I said in moderation

It raises blood pressure and heart rate, and can send anxiety through the roof. If you have problems with any of these, you may not have a good time. One dose probably won't kill you, but it isn't a free lunch.

It's basically meth lite. It's not too bad though.

I'm 26 and I am prescribed 60mg a day.

>methamphetamine is just poison
>t. dipshit pleb
What a fucking idiot. They're both amphetamines and they're extremely similar in how they function in the brain. This is the classic "I don't understand jack about nuerochemistry and pharmecueticals" argument.

They're both shit for you. Adderall isn't necessary for anyone and it's better to pick your balls up and put on your big boy pants than to get cracked out.

That isn't a good thing you idiot. Only morons advocate giving amphetamines to children and the fact that they're prescribed to children does not mean they aren't addictive.

Why is everyone so god damned stupid?

Meth is literally made from toxic household products, gtfo

But adderall doesnt cause nearly as much pulm htn, cardiomyopathy, or severe systemic hypertension as straight up meth though. You're right that it's not benign though but it is a lot less harmful

>implying Adderall isn't made from toxic products
They don't make it out of sunflower seeds you dolt.
True. Granted most instances of meth use involve smoking it as apposed to people eating exact measurements of it in a pill. Whatever the case it's still awful for you and addictive as well.

Hmmmm. Idk what to think anymore. what if I take super low doses of it?

You'll experience what this guy said Pulmonary hypertension, cardiomyopathy and systemic hypertension. It's an amphetamine. That's what amphetamines and amphetamine analogues do.

The effects of meth and dextroamp are nearly identical. Meth lasts a little longer. Aside from that it's literally the same shit.

theres no point in taking it if you dont have ADD/HD. You'll just get hyped up. It wont improve your focus or concentration, it'll just make you hyper. Dont abuse adderal or it'll make it harder for people that actually need it to get it.

but medically, if you dont need it, it can cause your brain to "rewire" itself and make you basically have ADHD

>They don't make it out of sunflower seeds you dolt.

I'd take issue with your attitude here, even though I agree with you as you can see in Pharmaceutical grade meth (desoxyn) and adderral are more or less the same. However, meth being made in clandestine labs is legitimately a problem. The quality control is way lower so there's a much greater chance of the "toxic ingredients" finding their way into the finished product.

amphetamines and meth are not the same.

Its basically a lab quality amphetamine so high quality then speed.
Would recommend for weight loss.

No one needs it and it most definitely makes you focus without regard as to whether or not some Jew doctor has diagnosed you with ADHD (There's no exact way to diagnose mental health issues including ADHD.)

>if you don't need it, it can cause your brain to "rewire" itself and make you basically have ADHD

the fuck? Is that only after long term heavy use? did I already fuck my shit up I've only taken it for a few weeks here and there

>adderall rewires your brain

According to a doctor:

>As far as we know from studies done to date, the answer to your question is no. Psychostimulants -- when taken at appropriate doses under a doctor's supervision -- do not seem to cause permanent damage to, or changes in, the brain.

i cant read a book when im not taking adderal. I get shit done, and can do one thing at a time when on adderal. That might not seem like some great feat, but for someone that actually gets a positive effect from amphetamines its like a magic pill.

long term use is more than 1 year bro. a few weeks wont kill you or make you ADHD. you're fine. But you dont actually have ADHD do you? I strongly suggest finding a better drug. But i cant lie, if it helps you be able to do something better then keep taking it. Im not a doctor.

it alters the brain chemistry in the long term, the same way alcohol or antidepressants do. You cant ingest something for a long period of time and expect no changes to the brain.

>I can't read a book without adderall.
Bull shit. That's you being a cunt. Make yourself sit down and read like EVERYONE ELSE DOES. I had a friend like you in high school. "Oi, I need it, I can't do anything without it!"

Years later he quit and forced himself to do his work and surprise surprise, he could still do his work! It's not easy for me to pull myself together to sit down and read a book but I do it anyways. That's absolute horse cockery what you're saying.

youtube.com/watch?v=MBEfHZITrgo

Ah so you meant like long term use? so I didn't already fuck up my brain with adderall?

Also, I've been a pot user for like 5 years, did I fuck myself up that way?

>long term use is more than 1 year

Oh good. Such a relief. So I can still use it occasionally in low doses and not get drug-induced ADHD or fuck up myself?

Jesus dude. Yes. I'm amazed at how people out there take drugs without the first clue as to what they do. Psychoactive chemicals fuck with your brain and will change the way it functions.

oh no dont get me wrong, I can read without adderal. I can force myself to sit and read a whole book no problem. But without adderal I cant remember anything ive read. My ability to process information is increased when im on adderal. And it calms my brain down so I can actually take in what I read. Dont think that adderal is some miracle drug, but it really is for us that could need it.

again. As someone with ADHD, its not about just DOING a thing, but to actually do it and focus 100% on ONE thing. To be able to read and to RECALL what was read.
adderal helps with this significantly.

It does that for everyone. You need to train yourself to remember. You do not need it more than anyone else does. You think when I'm on Adderall I don't focus? It turns your mind into a goddamned laser beam. I can't remember everything I've read either because sometimes I'm somewhat sidetracked and I'm not totally involved in my reading. You know what I do? I read it again. That's what everyone does. Don't put yourself below the plebs around you. You think people are perfect and can just instantly focus and process every little word they read? No one can. You can make yourself better at it, it just takes dedication and work.

The fact that people perpetuate this stupid view and sell crack to kids is fucking abysmal. You DO NOT need Adderall AT ALL.

Dip shit. You just need to train yourself to focus like you were supposed to when you were fucking 10 instead of getting fed crack. You do not need adderall.

When im on adderal i dont have to read things twice. It doesnt matter how much I read it, once, twice, or thrice my brain cant recall it. Ive dealt with this shit since grade school. Now knowing that i can take a pill and read things like a normal person, im all about it.

i can focus. I can have all the focus in the world, but the adderal stops my thoughts from racing. You know how hard it is to concentrate when your brain is moving at a million miles an hour?

>adderal stops excessive thoughts
>adderal helps you focus

Im sorry my brain is not typical.
>my face when I was 10 and in special ed because I couldnt remember shit, because i forgot everything i read

adderal can be taken just as easily by a normie as it can by an ADHD riddled wreck. ADHD people don't have special immunity to the side effects of the drug. the secret is that they come with a prescription that casual users never follow.

YES YOU CAN YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE YOURSELF. God damn it. Every time. Ooooo I'm a special snowflake, I NEED STIMULANTS TO REMEMBER ANYTHING. Bull fucking shit dude. Do without. It's not necessary. These things are not easy for anyone but they get easier the more you do them. Cracking yourself out is not necessary and it's just your stupid parents and worthless teachers making excuses for your dumb ass refusing to do what you need to.

>You know how hard it is to concentrate when your brain is moving at a million miles an hour?
You bet your sweet ass I do. I'm the same exact way. Most people are. Oh you were in special ed? Wowzers, that means a lot to me.

Also, by "that means a lot to me" I mean whatever moron with their worthless 4 year education degree threw you into special ed knew about as much about how your brain is functioning as these drug peddaling doctors. Which isn't a fucking lick. They don't know anything. There's no exact science here. There's barely any science at all. There's no "We autopsied his brain and found he has ADD." because there's no way to do that. It's bull shit.

You can actually be prescribed meth under the brand name Desoxyn. It has medical use.

How does long term marijuana use change your brain? I've read it impairs cognition but I literally feel fine , as intelligent as ever. if I did suffer some negative cognitive effects from long term pot use, if I stopping doing it wouldn't the negative effects go away after awhile? I think pot is pretty benign. Long term use of adderall, coke, or SSRI's probably FUCKS you though

Well there's evidence to suggest that it lowers your IQ (something like 10-15 points depending on when in your life you were taking it.)

However just think about it. THC is going into your brain and going through the same routes that other cannabanoids that your brain naturally makes. It's not the same chemical though and it acts differently so you get high. It changes the route. Enough of this and your brain is going to change as well. Neural pathways change, they die, etc. Of course it changes how your brain functions. Especially if you're using it consistently over a long period of time.

Whether it's relatively benign is up for debate but it definitely changes the way your brain functions. In fact it's going to affect your entire central nervous system. You know, marijuana use increases heart attack risk. This is coming from a guy who smoked heavily for 10 years straight. I guarantee you it will change the way your brain functions. You're probably right in assuming adderall, coke and SSRIs are worse.

Adderall turns you gay. Seriously, look it up.

why do you keep calling adderal "crack"?

Do you have ADHD or ADD?

>Weed lowers your IQ

I find that hard to believe

>it can cause your brain to rewire itself
Dumbass, you have no idea what you're talking about. Not even meth causes brain damage. The danger lies within damage to your liver and heart.

If you want a demo version of adderall, just buy some phlenthlythlamine, it aint illegal. Just drink some coffee beforehand. I'm not sure if it's placebo but man this stuff works for me like the real thing just not as long

Meth, unless it's shitty impure made in some nigger's bathtub meth, is the same healthwise as prescription amphetamines. It just lasts longer. It's not more harmful, it's not even that much more addictive. Addicts just prefer meth because it's way cheaper.

so people that take adderal DONT stay up for days at a time. They also dont enter manic depressions. they certainly do not have racing thoughts upon coming down off the drug, and definitely dont become chemically dependent on the substance.

Okay. Ive seen first hand the effects of adderal, and it is pretty bad. even for people that are prescribed it.

If by need you mean you'll literally die simply from not taking it, sure. By any other definition you're wrong

Make sure it's good. My friend gave me her kid's adderall and it was bunk. I looked it up and it was the shit kind.

Nobody with autism would need or want this.
>it gets you focused and sharp maaaan
The problem is in directing that focus. Autists already have the focus but the rejects can't use it for socially acceptable stuff.

If you abuse it sure. You can say that about any drug. If you take the correct dosage it actually improved brain function

commit suicide fucking straight edge

That's not your brain being rewired though.
>stay up for days at a time
Sleeplessness is just an effect of the drug
>manic depressions
That's just the comedown caused by your brain having used a significant amount of its neurotransmitters, same thing that happens with MDMA.
>racing thoughts upon coming down off the drug
Again, still under the effects from the drug
>chemically dependent on the substance
Amphetamines are addictive, everyone knows this.
Learn the difference between permanent brain damage and temporary effects caused by a drug.

naw, according to some user here it does nothing for the brain. its basically crack cocaine.

i never said the effects after long term use were brain damage or permanent. They just alter the brain chemistry and can lead to dependence.

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 8. Never took the crack because my parents knew better. Sure as shit I went from nearly failing fourth grade to being in advanced classes in 6th.

I call it crack to demean it and disparage the notion that amphetamines are medicine which they aren't.

Here's one study suggesting so, but there's no guarantee of course: cmaj.ca/content/166/7/887?utm_content=bufferf1aae&utm_medium=social&utm_source=pinterest.com&utm_campaign=buffer

I don't find it hard to believe at all though.
It's debatable as to whether the typical habits of marijuana users (watching T.V, playing video games, etc.) or the marijuana itself that lowers IQ. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if it did. Again, I smoked heavily for 10 years straight and I certainly feel like I'm not nearly as quick or logical as I was when I was young.

>not nearly as quick or logical as I was when I was young.

because ADHD/ADD is degenerative. It only gets worse with time. Sooo.. theres that.

No. You don't need adderall to do anything you couldn't do with hard work and determination. You're just a crackhead m8. Drop the pills. Don't let your stupid teachers, parents and jew doctors determine your life just because you weren't paying enough attention as a child.

I said you don't need it. No one does. Improving brain function is a small reward for fucking your heart up.

With three scientific journal citations

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>It only gets worse with time.
And yet somehow I became much better at focusing from ages 8-12. hmmmm Sooooooooo maybe you're a fucking idiot.

Guess I already fucked myself then with chronic pot use through half my teenaged years. Oh well. I feel fine though.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC20129/
It also increases your risk of developing schizophrenia. Who knew?

No. I have ADHD and I regularly give my meds to my close friends who approach me and are curious. I ask them these questions and here's the answers I want:
>Have you ever had a heart attack?
No
>Do you usually get heart palpatations while sober?
No
>Do you have high blood pressure?
No
>Do you understand the effects of this medication?
Yes
and then if they give me the right answers I'll give them a few sometimes

Oh wait, fuck me though, amphetamines are harmless and we need to give it to children who don't focus enough in their stupid grade school classes.

Amphetamines are neurotoxic. Take Ritalin (methylphenidate) if you have to take recreational stims

So it's pretty harmless to use occasionally? I can't decide.

Am I already a vegetable after my 5 years of pot smoking and occasional adderall usage like that other guy says? I feel absolutely fine. like I feel like I could ace any standardized test. So I dunno

What do you mean by neurotoxic

>drugs are made from chemicals

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Wew lad, I got a 100% on a standardized state wide test (history specifically) even though I took the test when I was stoned, had an empty stomach and was running on almost no sleep. Maybe you set the bar a little low.

Yeah and it can kill you, if you take too much. What's your point?

I'm not advocating for that

Destroys your dopaminergic pathways

Also makes your neuron's dendrites grow like they're older

That it's destroying your brain but that much is evident even over the internet.

Ritalinfaggot here.
I took so much Ritalin for like, a few weeks I got complete and total Mania. I still look back on those weeks as the best, most awesome times of my life and wouldn't undo them for anything in this World.

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There's a ton of fake Adderall on the market that's dispensed at pharmacies like CVS, etc.

Look up Aurobindo Pharma. They've an Indian criminal organization posing as a pharmaceutical company which has been foisting toxic, counterfeit "generic Adderall" onto the market for four years.

You're a funny guy. Keep it up

Source pls?

How much did I just age by taking 20mg lol

Update: feel like shit

Looked it up, it says can be neurotoxic 'in the long run' so I'm guessing I'm good.

I don't know what you're talking about
Original comment

update: I've decided to take a long break from adderall and gonna try to cut down on cannabis use

I get no issues from Aurobindo Adderalls. In fact I didn't know they "bad" until I already had a few scripts of them.

Seems like group placebo to me tbqh. All the generics I've tried worked about the same.

As long as you have enough self control to limit your dosage and take it between long enough periods of time
You should be more than fine

It's just a matter of time until you get a bad batch senpai. Even workers at Aurobindo have admitted that they knowingly send defective batches from the line onto the market, and Aurobindo has repeatedly been investigated by the FDA for violations.

economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/pharmaceuticals/aurobindo-pharma-comes-under-usfda-lens-again/articleshow/48166949.cms

glassdoor.com/Reviews/Employee-Review-AUROLIFE-PHARMA-RVW10041303.htm

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I question your strange fixation with this company but you have a point I guess.

Either way I've been getting Teva for a while so it's not a problem.

I know a ton of other criminal corporations too. It's not just Aurobindo, but they are one of the worst, who've been in the news the most lately for poisoning people in various ways. The pharmaceutical industry in general is rife with fraud and corruption.

cbsnews.com/news/ranbaxy-whistleblower-reveals-how-he-exposed-massive-pharmaceutical-fraud/