– Over 56 billions animals are killed every year for food, even though there are cruelty free alternatives – www.animalequality.net/food – Animals are more similar to us than many people realise. They have emotions, feel pain, have families and want to live without suffering just like us. – Sheep can recognise up to 50 other sheep’s faces and remember them for two years – www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/animal-sentience/ – Cows show excitement when they discover how to open a gate leading to a food reward – www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/animal-sentience/ – Mother hens teach their chicks which foods are good to eat – www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/animal-sentience/ – Pigs are said to be as intelligent as dogs – www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/are-pigs-intelligent_n_7585582
– “It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases” – www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864 – “…The available evidence indicates strong associations of processed meat consumption with incident CHD [Coronary Heart Disease] and DM [Diabetes Mellitus], more modest associations of unprocessed red meat consumption with incident DM, and smaller or no associations of unprocessed red meat consumption with incident CHD.” – www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3483430/ – “…The World Health Organization has classified processed meats – including ham, salami, bacon and frankfurts – as a Group 1 carcinogen which means that there is strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer.” – www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-information/cancer-risk-and-prevention/healthy-weight-diet-and-exercise/meat-and-cancer/ – List of organisations affirming that a vegan diet is healthy at all stages of life – steemit.com/vegan/@goose/organizations-affirming-that-a-vegan-diet-is-healthy-at-all-stages-of-life – “The use of carbon monoxide deceives consumers and creates an unnecessary risk of food poisoning by enabling meat and ground beef to remain fresh-looking beyond the point at which typical colour changes would indicate ageing or bacterial spoilage” – www.carbon-monoxide-poisoning.com/article7-carbon-monoxide-food-poisoning.html – “Chickens for sale in Britain’s supermarkets are showing record levels of superbugs resistant to some of the strongest antibiotics, new research from the government has found.” – www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/15/british-supermarket-chickens-show-record-levels-of-antibiotic-resistant-superbugs
– “Antibiotics are used more heavily in farm animals than in people. This may be the largest source of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.” – www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-drug-resistant-bacteria-travel-from-the-farm-to-your-table/ – “More than 70 percent of the antibiotics consumed in the United States go to livestock farms, one of the main triggers driving a rising crisis of antibiotic resistance in human medicine” – www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/12/another-novel-superbug-shows-us-hog-farm/ – “70% of Human Diseases linked to animal agriculture” – www.all-creatures.org/health/fh-human-diseases-linked-animals.html
www.cowspiracy.com/facts – “Animal agriculture is responsible for 18% of greenhouse gas emissions, more than the combined exhaust from all transportation” – “Animal agriculture is responsible for 80-90% of US water consumption” – “Animal agriculture is responsible for 20-33% of all fresh water consumption in the world” – “2,500 gallons of water are needed to produce 1 pound of beef, 477 gallons of water are needed to produce 1lb of eggs, almost 900 gallons of water are needed for 1lb of cheese, 1,000 gallons of water are needed for 1 gallon of milk” – “Livestock covers 45% of the earths total land” – “Animal agriculture is the leading cause of species extinction, ocean dead zones, water pollution, and habitat destruction” – “Livestock operations on land have created more than 500 nitrogen flooded deadzones around the world in our oceans.” – “Largest mass extinction in 65 million years.” – “3/4 of the world’s fisheries are exploited or depleted.” – “We could see fishless oceans by 2048.” – “For every 1 pound of fish caught, up to 5 pounds of unintended marine species are caught and discarded as by-kill” – “Animal agriculture is responsible for up to 91% of Amazon destruction” – “Up to 137 plant, animal and insect species are lost every day due to rainforest destruction.”
This is the general where if you've moved past the tfwnogf, and you're literally so desperate, you want to marry anything biological from the animal kingdom, and you white knight online, for the welfare of sheep, cows, pigs and horses in one last desperate attempt at aquiring a life companion. Low.
>chatting via chemicals to a THICC o2 brapleaf >suddenly murdered by a vegan who proclaims that your life doesn’t matter because you’re a fucking leaf ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3405699/
Creatine and D3 too and some essential amino acids
supplements, though
Jayden Gomez
>RECOMMENDED VIEWING
101 reasons to go vegan – www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4HJcq8qHAY Dr Greger – Uprooting the Leading Causes of Death – www.youtube.com/watch?v=30gEiweaAVQ Dominion – watch.dominionmovement.com/ Earthlings – www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrlBSuuy50Y Cowspiracy – www.cowspiracy.com What the Health – www.whatthehealthfilm.com
>OTHER RESOURCES
Vegan kit – vegankit.com Veganism in a nutshell – www.vrg.org/nutshell/vegan.htm The Complete Vegan Arguments Guide – theveganspeak.com/guide
B12 requires intramuscular injection, are you basedboys doing that?
Robert Gomez
A lot of these are the same and most are solved with simple supplementation. Just because there are some retarded vegans out there that can't handle supplementing doesn't mean the rest us can't do it.
show me the source of that, bro, that sounds interesting
nah, I eat meat, it's just way easier.
Jordan Anderson
Shit happens when you mass-produce food We all prefer organic.
Dylan Diaz
I'm so glad Islam promotes butchering during the Eid holiday Meat is the best and it makes me inhumanly strong >b-but meat gives u cancer :^((( Yeah, so does the sun, what's your point
Jeremiah Parker
Ah I see you advocate for the death of starving africans and asians as well.
Nathaniel Cooper
If not the mass-produced food then we wouldn't have the overpopulation in first place.
Joseph Nguyen
>what is nutritional yeast
Mason Ortiz
>vegans are literally incapable of discussing veganism without talking about their victim complex or how dumb non-vegans are >the fact that my food may have had eyebrows or been able to do math at some point is somehow supposed to convince me to go vegan >animals we aren't in a symbiotic relationship with should receive the same status as those we are because of vaguely comparable cognitive function >thinks that a lot of shitty/unhealthy people eating meat can only mean eating meat makes them shitty/unhealthy
I'm open minded. I eat animal products daily and have never had any health problems associated with it, and I do not give a fuck if the steak I'm eating will never achieve it's dream of being a movie star. If you can convince me to go vegan despite this, please try, because an irrational appeal to emotions never works and isn't going to start working any time soon.
What do vegans think of people who hunt for their meat? >only hunt fully grown animals which gives the younger ones a chance to reproduce which ultimately makes population healthy >one fully grown elk can feed your family for years so no need to go out every day and hunt >animal gets to live a long life in its habitat rather than a factory farm >hunters only go for clean fast kills whereas the animals predators kill in a brutal manner Other than the fact that killing an animal hurts your feelings, you have to admit hunting for your own food is much more respectful, ethical, and humane than factory farming.
Jose Long
>I eat animal products daily >have never had any health problems associated with it Clench those cheeks pal.
Bentley James
What?
Benjamin Gutierrez
Fixed it for you faggot, say thanks to my 3000 hours in MS Paint That sounds fucking amazing
I think I'm just going to listen to my doctor, instead. I don't know if vague fearmongering is supposed to work, but it isn't.
Nicholas Wright
Animals deserve death kill them all
Luke Jones
Veganism is as dead as the ideology it was built on way back when they made it up as a part of the eugenics project.
Agriculture without animal husbandry kills the land. It's been proven time and time again.
Enjoy the smoking arid wasteland that the world will turn into. The factory produced crops that taste like nothing even close to natural produce. The rich lording food scarcity over you and how all the animals you profess to love and care for die out.
We're as of this moment sustaining more than two times the world pop possible by producing fertilizer on an industrial scale. And we're including human and animal waste in that production.
We're killing the earth lads. Meanwhile me and other farmers enjoy veggies and meat that gas taste. Fuck off vegotards. You can't be a part of nature by looking at it through a window.
Xavier Myers
I'm not being vague at all. And you go and listen to a guy who's in the business of harvesting your money for decades as you succumb to health problems
Elijah Reyes
This. GAS THE PIGS, EAT BEEF NOW
Jackson Fisher
My family has had the same garden for at least 3 generations now, on the same estate, in the same spot. It's about 1 acre of flat, good old Midwestern Ameriburger soil. We grow sunflowers, beans, corn, squash, and pumpkins. And I guarantee you that there isn't a single damn animal traipsing through there. So therefore I disagree, we must just be better farmers than conventional industry
Christopher Cooper
> muh ethics You can't force human concepts of morality onto non-humans.
Jack Anderson
This is retarded, husbandry still removes nutrition from the land it just returns more than crops
Mason Walker
>Clench those cheeks pal. >Cross those fingers pal. >I'm not being vague at all.
So my doctors want to make money by milking my insurance company, and they're doing this by telling me I'm completely fine and don't need any treatments? Is the inability to speak specifically a symptom of vitamin deficiency or something? I guess they just forged all those blood tests and risked their medical licenses doing so to trick me into eating meat for some reason.
Luke Thomas
Are carniovorous animals evil to you? They kill and feed of other animals after all. When wolf destroyes a sheeps family by killing the offspring, is he less evil than a human who does the same?
Elijah Richardson
vegans are on the same level of flat earthers, it's funny as hell
Ayden Cook
what works for 1 acre of land does not work for 100 or 1000. especially in different areas of the world. also your plot will eventually lose its fertility the rate is just affected by what you are growing and how densely you are growing it
Jaxson Murphy
Vegans know they can't change the world, protests are there to force their shitty lifestyle on as many people as they possibly can so they can hire retards into their club. Then tell everyone Francis is now a vegan because being vegan is obviously better if he chose (coerced into) the vegan life over any other lifestyle Just like christians
Landon Gray
Why do I have to pretend like I'm an ethical person though?
Cameron Butler
Oh, well, I'm not much of a big ag person myself. But I think we got gardening down fine. We compost a lot of shit and a lot of the waste from our cows help fertilize our soil. So believe me, this soil's gonna live for a long time.
Kevin Allen
Gotta conform to the norm of you want to talk to normies, pretending to be ethical is alright because you don't sound like a dick and it keeps everyone happy :^)
Thomas Morales
>compost Bingo Mass producers use artificial fertilizers that do not have as much variety in nutrients, so they slowly kill the land.
Ian Cook
>Over 56 billions animals are killed every year for food And that is supposed to be a bad thing?
allow fake macefag to give a demonstration of low scale compost so that everyone ITT can begin composting for their soon-to-be gardens youtube.com/watch?v=GOxl3QdKlIA
Far more humane than factory farming, and can provide a crucial ecosystem service when done right (population control). I wouldn't do it but I don't mind hunters.
t. vegan
Cooper Price
its just how the food chain works bro.
Chase Ward
>Obligate carnivores who have to cook their meat or fucking die and lack canine teeth Vegan trying to make omnivores look retarded spotted!
Oliver Sullivan
>They have emotions, feel pain, have families and want to live without suffering just like us stop fucking projecting, no matter how developed their brains are they aren't human. Stop trying to anthropomorphize animals.
anthropomorphism is a cognitive bias, not a reasonable expectation.
Parker Green
>only hunt fully grown animals which gives the younger ones a chance to reproduce which ultimately makes population healthy How is the older generation being dead allowing the younger a chance to reproduce? If anything its allowing the sick, weak, and beta cucks of the species to have no competition for females, causing overpopulation
>one fully grown elk can feed your family for years so no need to go out every day and hunt Seems exaggerated but I'll bite. But at what cost? I can see this working for just meeting caloric needs, but for the long term and so that nutritional problems don't rise up, there're issues.
>animal gets to live a long life in its habitat rather than a factory farm Can't necessarily complain about that. I'm in my own natural habitat and I sometimes wish a glow in the dark would just pick me off because he's bored. But you don't know the animal's will, so to him, living his entire life naturally may be a small consolation in the face of his murder
>hunters only go for clean fast kills whereas the animals predators kill in a brutal manner It depends on how you hunt the animal. You can't guarantee painless kills.
But on terms of quality, hunting is more respectable than factory farmin, but it's unethical and inhumane all the same.
Dominic Gonzalez
>anthropomorphize It's as if you think that being susceptible to initiatory violence and exploitative actions are unique to humans
Luis Sullivan
what? im talking about giving as much weight to an animals life as you would to a human. its unreasonable and its absurd.
you and your family come before animals, starving yourself on principles is retarded.
Jaxon Rodriguez
We're not talking about how much you "weigh" anything because that's subjective and therefore not good enough to base reasoning off of.
Gavin Cox
>How is the older generation being dead... Drop the guns, use bows at max. we would quickly switch to weaker targets
>Seems exaggerated but I'll bite... Eskimo, Mongols, Finns in old times were doing alright on meat only/majorly diet. Animals are similar to us biologically, so they need the very same nutrients as humans. The supply of animals fats (first via scavenging) allowed us to develop bigger brains.
>Can't necessarily complain about that. Ask the elk how it feels about being hunted by wolves or other predators.
>You can't guarantee painless kills. Sad, but inevitable in either human or animal hunts.
Leo Walker
everything in your day to day life is subjective you fucking mong
you can't feel like you need to go to the bathroom take a piss, because how much you feel like youre about to piss yourself is subjective, and therefore not good enough to base reasoning off of
just bc its subjective doesnt mean its not used to reason with
Josiah Cook
I ate bacon and eggs today. Was yummy, made my tummy feel good.
Eli Reed
>use bows Yeah this still doesn't explain how the "younger generation gets a chance at reproducing"
>ancestors ate X I mean, I come from a family of alcoholics, yet I've never touched alcohol.
>fat make brain big The use of FIRE sir, made the brain big
>elk discusses is opinion on wolf attacks At least he can fight like nature intended.
>sad Then don't lol
Parker Murphy
>like nature intended The doublethink is off the charts!
Carson Fisher
>everything in your day to day life is subjective you fucking mong Wrong. Existence is an objective fact, your point is null
>you can't feel like you need to go to the bathroom take a piss, because how much you feel like youre about to piss yourself is subjective, and therefore not good enough to base reasoning off of I'd assume something in your nervous system is alerted that you have a full bladder, or a relatively full bladder. Yet that threshold objectively exists, and the signal it fires of is objectively real. I see you're trying to be clever with a quantitative sort of example like that, so how about this?
1. Consider a sphere 2. A pure sphere is an abstract concept with an infinite amount of points creating a perfectly round surface 3. Can a sphere have edges? 4. No. Guess how that was figured out!
>just bc its subjective doesnt mean its not used to reason with You can "reason with" anything, just whether or not it produces solid reasoning is what determines if it's worth it or not. You can't base "the importance of a living being's conscious experience of live" off of... actually nvm in you literally didn't give a reason why I and my family are more important than an animal
Blake Evans
>not allowed to use expressions I mean, the elk has more than a fighting chance against a stupid wolf, is that what you're looking for?
>lack canine teeth We literally have teeth called canines retard >have to cook their meat or fucking die We don't, retard. Have you heard of Sv3rige? He eats nothing but raw meat and he's healthy as a horse. Cooking it allows us to harvest more calories, but we evolved to eat it raw. Just look at chimpanzees, they eat raw meat
>Yeah this still doesn't explain how the "younger generation gets a chance at reproducing" Well, I'm not the guy who wrote that, but I guess simply more space and food.
>I mean, I come from a family of alcoholics, yet I've never touched alcohol. Good for you
>The use of FIRE sir, made the brain big Fire helped us to get to that marrow, but making it more liquid. Monkeys could use fire, too to enlarge their brains according to you. Early humans used fire produced by lightnings, they were SMART ENOUGH to toy around with it and see the benefits
>At least he can fight like nature intended. Some birds use tools to get grubs, what now?
Leo Thomas
Sup carnivore? Have you seen this new thinking-- Veganism isn't even good for the environment, and the intensive farming required for vegan crops kills (29X) more animals than pasture raising cows--
Cunt how are you not aware how much more plant matter it takes to feed and eat animals over just eating the plant foods directly.
Even if animals were 100% efficient meatblobs with a 0kcal TDEE for their ENTIRE LIVES it would still take more space and therefore plant destruction to house them.
Parker Carter
>– Animals are more similar to us than many people realise. They have emotions, feel pain, have families and want to live without suffering just like us. yeah and they also kill and eat eachother, so what does that say about the vegan diet
Both endogenously produced from plant precursors you cretin
Jaxson Adams
Also name the aminos. Even if I eat nothing but pea isolate as a protein source I get >100% in all essentials
Kayden Wood
>but I guess simply more space and food. But that's wrong, as I've mentioned earlier, it just reduces competition in the species and causes overpopulation
>ancestors ate meat >descendant doesn't eat meat So there's no problem with this
>Fire helped us to get to that marrow, but making it more liquid. Monkeys could use fire, too to enlarge their brains according to you. Early humans used fire produced by lightnings, they were SMART ENOUGH to toy around with it and see the benefits More like natural selection favored smarter people as we moved from the fruit and nuts in the trees to the starches that [spoiler]needed to be cooked[/spoiler] on the ground. You can give me a million of your eating bone marrow stories, all that sounds like it would do is cause some type of cancer
>grubs Hurr durr at least grubs have this faint notion that they should hide in tree bark, are we going to bacteria? Humans are an invasive species to these ecosystem when you go and hunt, you're fucking shit up when you peel entire trees to lick the grubs off and sell the rest to fat americans, you kill all the grubs like that
Andrew Allen
>Wrong. Existence is an objective fact, your point is null imagine actually being mentally deficient. MY existence is a fact to me otherwise I wouldn't be able to experience this. But you can't know that my existence is a fact. You could be dreaming and so you would have no way to determine whether Im actually typing this. You dont know if youre properly observing objective reality or just something awfully close
so existence is a subjective fact, your point is null
but thats existence, thats not reality just because you know that you exist means absolutely fuck all with what you experience. This is the 101 of knowledge, you can't know anything outside of your own existence.
Jason Jackson
everybody knows what vegans look like IRL Mr Skelton. Plus it turns out veganism is actually in no way good for the environment. The way I eat is good for the environment.
If you're Jewish, which is just a petty antireligion. Christians don't take moral teachings from the OT. All comes from the J man himself.
Lucas Roberts
You don't have to "house" cows, except overwinter-- They like to live naturally eating grass, it's literally what they were made to do, unlike sickly vegans, grass fed cows eat the appropriate food for their species.
>You could be dreaming and so you would have no way to determine whether Im actually typing this. You dont know if youre properly observing objective reality or just something awfully close I'm not getting into philosophical puzzles that have been solved hundreds of years ago. You may think you're smart for bringing them up here but the fact remains that you exist, I know you exist, I am not dreaming up your existence, these are objective facts. This has fuck all to do with Jow Forums, take it to /his/
Eli Sanchez
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Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
t. Muslim
Jace Jones
Yeah, of course there's an infinitesimally small chance that the sun won't rise tomorrow as well, but it is reasonable to suggest that it will rise. Excuse me if I'm being too direct with my verbage, but I am certain you exist
If your diet requires supplementation, then rethink your diet. >but most meat eaters are deficie- Most '' meat eaters'' are normies who eat a plant based diet with lots of grains and shit. If you ate liver and brain you'd never be deficient in anything. I love drinking blood.
Based Mohammedan >"He who helps his fellow creature in the hour of need, and he who helps the oppressed; him will God help in the Day of Judgment.” - The M man pbuh
t. Catholic
Wyatt Ortiz
Hey fucking jew don't worry so much about the New Testament.
You know what I meant. They have space requirements. You're literally nitpicking a hilariously charitable FANTASY hypothetical to seem less retarded and still manage to lose.
