Any one here a software developer or programmer? Is it a job good and worth it? Can I become rich as one?

>18K a year
you mean after expenses and shit, right?

For every step you take in the market there's someone trying to undercut you, trying to get into your niche, technologies come and go, 5 years ago nobody took front-end JS frameworks seriously and now they're all over the place. Also thanks to "political correctness", if you work in a startup or these "startup-esque" companies you really have to think twice about what do you say, both IRL and online. Any slip could mean getting fired and made a persona non-Grata in the environment.

> 18k a year

Even in my third world country thats a shitty salary, you probably dropped a zero.
Because I was a dropout neet with no degree, I earned a third of min wage at my first job just to have something to put in my resume and earn a bit of experience. Sad times...

>short answer
no
>long answer
Only if you study it off your own back and work for someone who can't use a PC to save their life since its such an over-saturated market (Jow Forums here) and my aunt is a CS teacher at a University and she saids its not worth doing anymore since so many people choose it nowadays due to over saturation in the market
I have friends who do it and the only one who is actually good at CS did it before he studied it in HS. All the others work at McDonalds and don't have any other qualifications

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it seems like an "easy" but soul crushing job

18k a year is pretty much a grad student stipend

So do you live of money you saved or do you get neetbux?

I still live with parents, but i do have some money in savings.

> its not worth doing anymore since so many people choose it nowadays due to over saturation in the market
so what is worth it instead?

you gonna get back into it or are you done with programming

I am thinking I might go back to school, go for a PhD in Computer Science.

Aw, I was going to devote a shitload of my present freetime into it so I could git gud and then support myself. I don't really know what to do if that's the case.

Only if you're really smart. If you're under a 130 I.Q you will be pajeet tier. Also programming needs to be a hobby that you practice at home unless you're a mega genius then just do whatever you feel like doing. And you can become rich on any job really. You could become decently rich on minimum wage if you worked a lot, lived with patents and saved 100% of your income and invested it well. So you can easily become rich as a programmer, or you can be middle class. It all depends on how you you spend/invest.

If you study programming make a videogame
and sell it for 350 million like concerned ape and notch did

What do you do if you are pajeet tier then?

>And you can become rich on any job really.

Can confirm. As a software engineer, I never made more than median salary for my years of experience. But I saved and invested like a mofo, and lived as cheaply as I could. I was able to retire 3 years ago, and I have a net worth of USD $3 million.

Hes throwing bullshit.
You dont have to be a prodigy to be a programmer, just look at all the software you consumem I would bet my ass that a fraction of them suck.
Study, learn to enjoy it. You wont become rich, but you wont go trough hunger either.

how old are you? Did you invest in index funds or something else?

From what I can tell, video games are a heavily bottle necked market, you can spend 2 years on a 7/10 game and get nothing for it because there are far too many decent new games now(indie or otherwise). It also doesn't help that gaming has been post-2007 internet'd, where most of the people who play games play the same 40 titles forever and barely anything else.

Basically only worth it if you want to make games(as it should be but still).

but I wanna be rich

> and get nothing for it
I don't think this is true. There is no such thing as a good game that doesn't sell at least a few ten thousand copies.

Live with your parents if you want to be rich. You're not going to genuinely get rich if you spend a lot of money on crap like rent, cars ect.

write code anyway
companies claim to care about code quality, but at the end of the day they're more concerned with getting shit out the door

I feel like if you can name the game it's probably a 7.5/10 at least or a 4 or lower, games in the middle don't really get noticed if they're indie.

You don't have to do this. As long as you go into work and give each day 100% your full focus and make sure you're learn why you're writing code the way you are and not just blatantly copy/pasting answers off of stackoverflow, you'll be fine.

>Any one here a software developer or >programmer?
I dont work as a programmer but i develop my own apps and desktop programs as a hobbie
> Is it a job good and worth it?
only if you live in top demanding countries >>(usa,uk,china,etc.)
>Can I become rich as one?
it would take a time but yeah you could do it by developing a nice mass app diversification

You're not going to become rich (at least by your definition) unless you get lucky with your own business or as an early employee of a lucky start up. You can become wealthy with this profession though. Millionaire next door might be a good read for your

Is IT really the only field where robots thrive in? I'm studying accounting, but I don't really like too much. Tbh I don't really know what I want to do with my life. I'm not doing well in school and the restaurant I work in is going to close down soon because management is shit and because we hired all these shitty kids.

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How does one get a job as a programmer with no degree.

Talking out of my ass here, but I'd imagine that making personal projects and putting them up on github to show people you've actually done shit is good.

Get lucky with your first job and then it's smooth sailing. That's what I did. Open source work helps but it really just comes down to finding someone to take a risk on you.

1. set up a portfolio
2. Do a lot of shitty low paying freelancing jobs
3. network your ass off

>Is IT really the only field where robots thrive in?
it's impossible to get into IT if you're not either
>a genius
>extremely sociable and likable

portfolio. write a bunch of shit and put it on github. but most places won't care unless you're a savant. you pretty much need a degree, or HR will throw your application out.

Yes and Yes

I learned about 9 months ago being self taught and have been getting better ever since.

I currently work at a company and sub 40 hour weeks a lot of the times and sometimes higher when I need to meet client demands.

But most of the time it's pretty good. I want to become a freelancer. I don't have enough skills to take on the higher paying jobs right now. I can make 1k-2k over 24 hours right now though.

It really depends on what you want. I don't need to become filthy rich. My expenses haven't changed as I've made more money over the years and I can afford what I want without being broke. I can even invest a VERY large chunk each month. And I do.

I like the freedom and the challenge. And the money.

You don't need to necessarily do software fyi. There's other routes bruh. Automation is where I specialize.

If you don't like it, you will not make it and just be another low tier programmer. Unless you have a crazy high IQ and EVEN then. No one really knows what the fuck is going on in the tech world. This is why you see so much impostor syndrome. Or the other route is that you become a megalomaniac because yo are afraid that people will find out you don't know shit.

It's ok. No one does. A lot of the most popular languages have their source code available. Read it if you can ever get to understand it. Realize that no single person wrote that god 1337x code. It's just years of improvement and a bunch of really smart people working together and iterating.

example: stackoverflow.com/questions/1517347/about-pythons-built-in-sort-method

Yeah. Stressful as fuck, but that is mostly depending on what field of SW development you're doing. Working in startups can make or break you.

Write a crazy amount of code and put it on github It will teach you a lot.

You don't have to do anything crazy.

Make a hangman game
Chess,
Checkers,
Calculator,
Shitty google chrome app,
Shitty phone app,
Make a ecommerce website and connect to a database.

Most programmers are self-taught.
And the industry doesn't really give a shit about college degrees especially when it's so easy to give proof of your skills.

Not OP but related question.

Just graduated with degree in IT and Computer Science, but I'm not sure what kind of job specifically I should go for. My background is tailored mostly towards web-development, but I also have a good amount of experience and projects related to things like rapid prototyping with arduinos, algo-trading, and data-analytics. So between straight-up software developer, front-end web developer, software engineer, and something in fin-tech, which job would have the best prospects for advancement?

hes talking out of his ass user, keep following your path and you'll go far

Get a job first that's related to your career path.

Can confirm, my brother-in-law is a total chad and is an IT manager for a nuclear power plant.

Yep. It's a pretty decent job. You can become reasonably well off, but rich would be a stretch.

Assuming I had a pending offer of each type. All else held equal, which would be the better track to be on?

This.
From my experience, learn as much as you can in 6-12 months, create thinks you can show to people, then suck dick til get your first job (even if it sucks). Spend a year or two in there, then the rest is a piece of cake.
I did this later at life, being a college dropout and with multiple year gaps between shit tier jobs. Its was not easy, but FAR from impossible (half the fight was learning disipline, because I had none).

just google salaries for a given career

>unemployed
>think I could probably do programming and computer shit because of my math and physics background
>it's just too fucking boring
god damn it why does everything that will actually get you a job have to suck so much

I'm a computer science major and I consistently feel behind my peers. I just want a job that pays $60k out of college, it can stay $60k for a few years for all I care. Am I fucked?

It's a great job if you wanna get fucked in the ass OP

>tfw too stupid to learn programming
>tfw shit at math
rec me the easiest way to learn I want to build stuff

EE is the true robot major in college.
The only downside is that becoming qualified(getting the degree) takes a certain amount of discipline and bullshit tolerance that most people(and robots) don't have.

You have to program something that is useful. When I started teaching myself how to program I made programs that I'd use. I still use a lot of them today.
>I'm a computer science major and I consistently feel behind my peers.
I wouldn't worry about that, in my experience 90% of people have no idea what their doing. If you aren't failing you're probably in the top 20%.

>Any one here a software developer or programmer?
Yes
>Is it a job good and worth it?
It's not nearly as good as autismos dream it to be. You will spend most of your time collaborating with people, dealing with bureaucracy, and talking to customers (yes, even if you work entirely on backend stuff). Even when you are working on actual code, a lot of time will be spent debugging obscure and difficult to reproduce errors. When you finally get to work on new code, you often will not have as much control over the architecture of the product as you imagine you will, and sometimes you have to carry on and build something in a way that you know is not right because that's just what was decided.
>Can I become rich as one?
Most likely not.

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>You have to program something that is useful. When I started teaching myself how to program I made programs that I'd use. I still use a lot of them today.
Like what? I can't think of anything that I would actually use.

Some of the ones I use the most are: a minimalistic image viewer, a front-end for ffmpeg to convert videos to webm and fit them within a certain file size, a front-end for ffmpeg that scans my music folder and converts all lossless files to 160kbps opus for use on my phone, and one that lets you move windows to preconfigured spots mainly used for borderless fullscreen of games. It's also nice to be able to quickly throw something together in python to do something in bulk. Nothing I made is hard to do either, I made all of these in the first few months I started teaching myself.

I guess I literally don't get enough use out of my computer because I don't get up to tasks like this at all.

I was a NEET at the time so I was either sleeping or on my computer so these things really saved me a lot of time.

I was an enterprise dev for like 6 years until I said fuck it and quit.

Now I make my own games and sell them on Steam and other sites, it's alright I guess.

Senior Software Brogrammer here. CS degree, 140k/yr at risky startup, late 20s, enough connections I'll never have to apply for a job in my area again.

I'm very good at it and people like me for some reason, regardless of how apathetic I act. Probably because I'm white, smart, and attractive.

Ask away. I mentor a lot of probable robots with imposter syndrome in the industry