/fraud/ - steroids and fat people hate general

Nah but used to make me really beta. I am happy I didnt have that ever again.

I rather be dead than beta. Was really awful

idk how you go this long on high test. I may up my npp to 800 next week

estro?

Mostly around 4/5 weeks max. Mentally it can be shitty sometimes. Ask Nano he already quit.

E2 is really hard to control at this dosage. Nice and how much test

Will roids make my eyebrows look weird?

Like if I do eyebrow raises all day (squeeze my eyebrows down and then raise my eyebrows up), there's a muscle thats being activated there, so surely it can grow

Looking full af and people sayin I look huger makes it addictive to.stop

yeah that sounds rough bro. I could barely handle 600 test.

with 800 npp? ZERO test lol, probably will up the proviron to 75-100mg per day though

It's not a pleasant experience. I'm not sure that the gyno issues are the main reason for dropping it in favor of DHB.

Honestly I'm in this for fun, I love lifting. But I'm barely having fun on 1g test aside from the initial first weeks.
I did last a month and 2 weeks but that includes building up. The past week has been a pain to manage, moodswings up the ass and nipples started to get sensitive as hell.

>tfw fat gf to sit on my face
It's a good feel.

Why not masteron.

I feel you mentally it's a hell sometimes. For me the paranoid beta feeling was way worse tho. Was constantly thinkin my gf was.cheating on me.

Luckily I never had that again. Probably overcame that beta feel

t. god

She does some light femdom for me sometimes too even though she's not super into it herself. There's no reason not to have a qt-face fat gf in 2019.

what negative mental effects does high test give you guys?

can’t wait to see how you like no test. i’m feeling lighter by the day

want to keep my hair lol. i’ll run superdrol if I need to really cut down. you can be the masTeron king and i’ll be the nanDrolone king lmfaooo

Week 5 of a 15 week cycle. 250mg twice a week for 500mg total.

My BP and resting heart rate are pretty high. Sitting here typing it is 91, usually i'm at 75. Will this continue all cycle or will it normalize?

Also my balls slightly hurt, should I be running HCG soon or wait until the end like the wiki says?

>gf came over last after like a week or so
>proceeded to fuck her brains out
>afterwards she looks at me and tells me my cock got bigger
>I look down and wonder wtf cause I even look thicker

Anyone got an explanation for this? Did I finally get my E2 to normal levels? Feels and looks insanely different than just last week like as if it's fluctuated. Maybe I was to bloated before to where my pelvis just said no more dick size for me.

Hi /fraud/, I'm a bisexual male, will injecting steroids make me 100% gay instead of 50% gay? I only suck cocks half the time now, I don't want to stop wanting pussy sometimes and instead want cocks up my ass 100% of the time, and I heard you guys all became gay when you hopped on gear. Please advise.

first cycle? you taking any support supps? get on coq10 and rich piana liver and organ defender. has kept my bp and heart rate really low compared to how it was.

this are the people that get gyno and acne on cycle.

Drop the deca and you won’t have sensitive nipples lul, y’all will learn eventually deca is horrible for gyno

Didn't nanadrole kill your brain cells like tren?

I can feel it sometimes even with high test.

Takes me forever to compute shit sometimes.

She looked at you like that becaue nobody can be that fat and dyel on steroids.

20% hetero 40% gay 40% transsexual

I will actually consider this. Thanks brah

it’s the TEST with nandrolone that causes gyno. run deca alone with a DHT drug and boom no gyno. before you talk shit look it up deca only cycles.

no it hasn’t killed brain cells but it has caused me to chill out a lot more and react slowly to problems, which is an advantage because if I fuck something up at my work I can bring down an entire network.

that’s the test bro. I literally just wanted to sleep all day on 600 test

Any of you take stuff for joints? Figured I'd ask here. Chronic joint issues, to the point I'm weak af. Not looking to get jacked, just want the pain to stop. Back is the worst, discs are eroded and half-size already, but joints also are wearing out. All of em. Been to doctors, tests come back mostly normal.

>on 2.5mg metro ED to get rid of gyno
>first days joints hurt
>now the joints feel normal af

guys, wtf is going on?

>inb4 bunk letro

its pharma grade letro

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It’s the nandrolone causing the gyno, take the same amount of test with no deca and dial in your e2 and you’ll still end up with sensitive nipples that you can’t fix on high doses of nandrolone you muppet

You crashed your estrogen. Swap the letro for nolva.

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The effects of crashed e2 are overstated. It is not pleasant and dick=broke but it really isnt excruciating like the forums would have you believe

If I crushed my estro, then how come my joints feel normal now and I still can get erections?

Good to hear you got over the beta feeling
Does anything else do that to you?
High test just gives me mad oily skin

If I run nand with a high dht and test no problem but no dht and I get spicy nips so quick
And I can run dbol no problem ed with no gyno
So I don’t know what’s up with that at all

What is this nigga’s cycle?
>Inb4 achieavable natty
Yeah ok faggot, just tell me what cycle would get me this body

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Defo used a lot of DHTs prob mast because his hairline disappeared overnight kek

As the other guy said, you will feel it but it's not excruciating. It comes and goes for me.

Letro reduces e2 by like 98% so take it as you must.

Connor is the only one who knows what Connor is taking

there was a leaked hangout video of him talking with another guy about his cycle but that got deleted from youtube. He mentioned of taking tren. His cycle was probably test, tren and mast.

it’s not the fucking nandrolone causing the gyno its the test + nandrolone mix and test aromatizing and causing that conversion that creates the gyno reaction. why does my buddy on 1.5g deca per week NO TEST not have gyno flares and is not even taking aromasin or caber? because it isn’t the nandrolone that causes gyno. you need to do more research

people convert differently. but many guys have run nandrolone + dht (proviron) and don’t need an ai or prolactin control.

also a lot of guys used to run nandrolone + dbol for that aromatization and estrogen requirements. you can run a high enough dose of nandrolone that it aromatizes you to normal levels and then throw in the DHT. that’s why i’m running NPP at 600 now and will probably bump it and the proviron up even more.

looking full and feeling light

Yeh if I run high mast or eq with test I get low Estro
Nand and test only and I get proper puffy nips in days

Is the government shutdown affecting customs?

The fact that none of my international orders are in the tracking system outside of place of origin is starting to piss me off.

In a couple weeks my endo will check my testicles for a gyno surgery. Im currently post PCT and my testicles are back to normal size from the cycle. Can the endo tell if I take roids?

Let’s see gyno

F-fuck, is it hard to learn about sterons? Redpill me on them. I don’t need to be as big as Connor if that means I’d need to take a bunch of shit. What would be a safe cycle (that costs $130

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why do natty's feel the need to post complete and utter lies on here about how you lose all your gains after you come off cycle KEK do people actually believe this? biggest cope they're literally shook of a tiny little needle.

also im on letro off cycle trying to get rid of the bit of gyno in my right nipple. i found a "protocol" online the guy claims
14 days @2.5mg/day letro then
7 days @1.25mg/day letro then
14 days nolva @20mgs/day and finally
7 days nolva @10mgs/day

said it started to disintegrate late into week 3 and nolva completely destroyed it. he was on cycle during the treatment i am not. ill update if it works. letro is really harsh off cycle good luck doing anything but sleeping i barely have motivation to make food

You'll never be like Connor, not even close. You might be bigger in the end but even going by your frame you'll never ever get close to the way Connor looks. You'll always look inferior.

Nah easy to learn if you’re willing
You will probably never look like Connor but you can try and look the best that you can

I don’t think you’re 15% brah

If you’re being serious start with the basics and some of us will try and help (others are going to neg the fuck out of you)

I am pretty sure some people showed studies about it

high masteron(500/600) was the worst

>What is this nigga’s cycle?
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAJAHHAHAHHAHAAHHAHHAHA the absolute state of these fucking dyels

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mast, what was your hairloss protocol again? Saw Palmetto + Nizoral shampoo?

That must’ve killed you knowing your love for masteron kek
What was the libido like??

you should try actually lifting a weight at the gym bro. not ready at all

1g mastE per week does the trick.

Kek’d

So what kind of body can I expect?

What’s your bf% estimate? I find it hard to believe I gained ~60lbs (I used to weigh ~150lbs) and remained sub 15%. And what are the basics?

Gunna reply because my missus is making cat toys and I have nothing else to do

Late teens at least, at 15 most people can start to see the outline of abs and pecs etc
I mean how long you been lifting, what are your goals, why do you only have $130, do you eat right etc etc

If you want to start learning then the reddit wiki is linked at the top
It covers the basics

IMO opinion you’re not ready but it’s not my choice to make

can I start taking HGH if I'm 19, will I have irregular bone growth with 5iu?

My guy, I know I still have a lot of natty gains left before hopping on gear, but don’t tell me “you should actually try lifting a weight at the gym”. I gained 60lbs in the last 2.5 years. This is me before I started gymming

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+ Pumkin seed oil

That's why i never go higher dan 400mg anymore. The cu.ck paranoia is worse than every feeling you can think of

GET THE FUCK OUT YOU FUCKING IMBECILE

HOW FUCKING RETARDED CAN YOU BE. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

can you even afford hgh at 19?

He hasn't looked up the prices yet lol

He is right tho bud
As patronising as it is

60lbs over 30 months is 2 lbs a month which is about average for someone so underweight
I was similar when I started
I was 6 ft and 119lbs

I thought mast was ok, it was better after you told me to lower it but I was expecting more
Maybe it will shine when I get Lower bf alongside this tren?
What’s happening with Netherlands sources then? You guys still struggling??

Lmao I wondered how long it would take for you to destroy the kid kek

You've gained literally 60lbs and you still look dyel. Do you really think that steroids will make you big all of a sudden? I've gained 15lbs of lean mass and honestly i can't even tell the difference in my physique. It takes a lot of time to get big.

Been lifting for a little more than 2 years, my goal is to look like those instagram niggas, I only have $130 bc I’m a 20yo broke college student, and I eat right. I know I’m not ready yet, but I want to start learning now so when I’m ready I know what to do

Nah

The point we were making is steroids are easy as shit. Its the training and nutrition that are hard. Everybody takes more or less the same shit

lmao I bet he is going to buy these 10iu vials for $40 which are actually just hcg

>nutrition
I'd argue that this is deciding factor. Everyone can train and make gains but not everyone can eat right.
Shit I still suck at it, I eat far too little.

You might struggle more due to height
A lot of insta models are manlets

130 isn’t really enough for everything but if you are waiting you could stock up every month so you have a surplus for when you start

Well the best place to start is the reddit wiki at the top and then clarify as you go along
The reddit compound experience threads are good but ignore everything else because they are Gaylord redditors

How much do you weigh and what do you look like now?

I don’t expect to get big all of a sudden and I know it takes time

>I know it takes time
it takes years on gear, there are side effects involved and you will never find out how your body will react until you start injecting them. Not to mention that hopping on gear is a one way ticket (to hell)

How much did you take? Masteron makes my dick hard af, horny af, euphoric etc. Yeah it's meant for lower bodyfat

They are busting new brands once in a while.

Food is like 80% of the gains. How the fuck can you grow without food. The car wont fucking drive without gas

Genetics > food > gear > training

The fact that most look dyel over here = because eating too les. Everyone can pin steroids but shoveling that massive amount of food in everyday really requires dedication

Currently cutting
Weight is around 210ish at 6ft
I havnt posted a pic yet because I got fat last year and got to 240lbs because my meds stopped working and I ate my feelings
Waiting for this cut to finish so mast doesn’t bully me to tears

Should get to about 190 at 8% or so?
So pretty dyel

The more you learn now bud the better it will be so good on you I suppose

Right

Thank you

Yeah, I’m aware

These insta models are on heavy shit like test, anavar, tren, winstrol, hgh, eq, masteron etc. Don't expect to achieve a Connor murphy or David laid physique even with a test e 500mg/wk cycle.

Lmao like 600 mast e and I was getting mad low estro and you told me to drop it to like 200 and work up from there

The libido was there even if I couldn’t cum kek
Felt like I could drill a hole through a wall with it

Worst comes to worst you could raid nanos stash

Ah im the opposite. I rarely feel hungry on a cut of full on a bulk. Eating/not eating i find easy

So I can expect to get to ~10b%bf at 70 lbs heavier than my starting weight? Nice

Damn, than I can’t imagine what IFBB niggas take, since they’re bigger than insta models

personally i find it hard to not overeat. I always think that im not eating enough and i end up fat

Typically more growth and insulin but the otherwise more or less the same. The dividing line is really genetics at that point.

Without doing the math I don’t see why not
Depends on what your appetite is like
As masT says it’s shovelling that food away and at 6,4 I imagine your tdee is high

Genetics/ time spent training

You also need to keep in mind that these insta models like David laid, Steven cao, Connor murphy, Carlton loth, Calum von monger etc. make shit ton of $$$ so they can easily afford TOP grade gear. They also can afford to go to the best doctors on the planet that will adjust their cycles. They also can afford to hire the best trainers available.

I would imagine that they get a lot of their gear for free

good job. you still look DYEL so keep working. far from natural limit and trust me i’m saving you the embarrassment of looking like shit after you fuck with your hormones

> shoving piles of food down face requires dedication

wish I could yell this into the face of every fucking DYEL at my gym who go every day but look the same a year later

at least you were eating a lot

cope. doesn’t matter they have the foundation to run those drugs and look good.

then you aren’t lifting hard enough. i’m a potato by night but abs showing by morning

COPE. go make more money then stop being poor. it’s your fault you’re poor

Hey man. I was planning on a 300 test/600 NPP cycle starting in march. Should I drop the test even lower or completely to zero? I've got cialis and viagra for the ladies, but can you really get away with no test? I'm cruising now so do I stop pinning 2 weeks before I hop on NPP and start test again about 2 weeks before end of cycle to get back on cruise?

Man I'm 6'4'' and 185 pounds with 16% body fat, so you're not being honest with yourself.

Did you take an ai

But are you talking about clean food only? Chicken, rice, veggies etc?

>TOP grade gear
Please stop this meme, there are a lot UGL products that are showing overdosed results as well.

Nothing to do with gear, or better gear. God-tier health care and having doctors that will monitor your health 24/7, that's really what you can call an addition. Or something normal poor people cannot afford

>do you remember the first time you pinned /fraud/?
>who or what do you /fraud/ for?

vimeo.com/267012488

I ain't poor mate. Made a shit ton of money with the crypto boom in 2017. I have a German endo that I pay cash to guide me through cycles and balance my side effects. I also have hired a German dermatologist to assist me with skin care during cycles.

hey /fraud/ im a tranny now

Eating a lot is easy kek

I had to stop
Usually take asin 12.5 e3.5d or so on test 500mg plus but I just stopped taking it entirely after that

I have access to high quality jintropin which my friend tested and it's pricey but money isn't the problem. please answer the question