So tell me, user, what philosophical work have you been reading lately? I've picked up Popper's Logic of Scientific Discovery and I must say it's pretty great so far.
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Charles Richardson
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Ethan Diaz
philosophy is for hyperfaggot brainlet namefags like you. mathematics is the only thing worth reading about.
Sebastian Robinson
but why did husserl and whitehead do philosophy then??
Chase Miller
I've been flipping through the parts of Aristotle and commentaries pursuant to where he discusses the Causes, I'm really bad at making decisions so I'm trying to find tools for better day-to-day problem solving.
Sebastian Sullivan
Fuck you, faggot.
I think that a book like Dale Carnegie's would be best suited for what you're looking for, user. Just a suggestion.
Lincoln Myers
>I think that a book like Dale Carnegie's
I'm familiar with his work and I don't think politesse is particularly relevant here. I need to figure out why I make bad decisions, and how to wisely choose courses of action and form strategies. Not social skills. I'd probably learn more from Clausewitz than Carnegie
Easton Morgan
epictetus n*gga
Hunter Butler
kierkegaard you also seem like the person to be into dark ambient and avante gard music forms.
Is my hypothesis correct?
Carson Edwards
Read Mastery
Daniel Sanchez
consciousness comes from microtubules you know that rifht
Luis Allen
Not him. What does it go into?
William Cruz
penrose was half right
Adrian Hall
>not taking the true red pill of combining mathematics and philosophy into Bayesian epistemology
Lincoln Bailey
What does Jow Forums think of philosophical zombies, and what is the probability that they exist?
Nolan Perry
Not sure how this is relevant, that seems more about personal mastery - I need decision making: how to discern and compute meaningful patterns from the quandary of life and knowing which projects to prioritize and how to break a project into the most efficient stream of tasks.
Hence my reading of Aristotle - what is a thing then look at the four courses: what is it composed of, what form are they arranged in, what event precipitated this particular arrangement's manifestation, and what is the 'apparent good' that it is for?
Again, will this help me turn miasma to (actionable) meaning? Or offer some mildly interesting observations about 'best practice' in some successful people?
Hudson Allen
>I need decision making: how to discern and compute meaningful patterns from the quandary of life and knowing which projects to prioritize and how to break a project into the most efficient stream of tasks.
Then read fucking Art of the Deal by Donald Trump
Epictetus is top-tier
>kierkegaard you also seem like the person to be into dark ambient and avante gard music forms.
No, I'm mostly into Future Funk and feel-good music lol. I used to be really into darker NIN when I was younger though.
Consciousness comes from the balls.
>What does Jow Forums think of philosophical zombies?
I find it unlikely, very unlikely.
>What is the probability that they exist?
There is no way to know, but I'd say very low.
Easton Mitchell
you're falling (or are already deep) into the trap of thinking that you need to rationalize something on the lowest level of abstraction necessary before you can find a reason to do it and then make that actionable. also you are probably too afraid of failure to even try which is another fallacy upon probably many others you're guilty of because you aren't actually doing anything yet
Aaron Harris
This board doesn't read. It may surprise you, but the most brainlet of all brainlets of Jow Forums congregate here.
Luis Gray
>you're falling (or are already deep) into the trap of thinking that you need to rationalize something on the lowest level of abstraction necessary before you can find a reason to do it
Could you explain that with different phrasing, I'm not sure I understand but sounds like it might be correct.
>too afraid of failure
Not too afraid, more like, wisely afraid in the sense that I always do things wrong - why be like the proverbial insane person and try the same thing again and again, never changing tactics, only to get the same inevitable disappointing result? That just seems fucking stupid to me.
I don't believe in trying and trying again, unless you've got something new up your sleeve.
I mean, I use to think it was just fear of failure, but I was still failing - something wasn't adding up - I need to figure out WHAT that is.
Aiden Powell
Actually, it's not enough to understand "what" that is but rather "why" that is - hence the Aristotelian Causes. I need to discover causal factors to manipulate, or more specifically find the factors I can actually have a influence on in certain situations, because obviously sometimes you'll find that one is impotent in certain circumstances; in which case it's best to avoid those circumstances all together and prioritize what you can change, or work within the remit of where you have agency.
Zachary Nelson
You gotta change your strategies. Work smart, not hard.
pic related books of philosophy you should read -christian philosophy, that is, the only one that you should read.
Aaron Cruz
>I need to discover causal factors to manipulate, or more specifically find the factors I can actually have a influence on in certain situations, because obviously sometimes you'll find that one is impotent in certain circumstances; in which case it's best to avoid those circumstances all together and prioritize what you can change, or work within the remit of where you have agency.
You definitely won't find your answer in Aristotle lol.
Tyler Perez
>Art of the Deal by Donald Trump
Why so? I did read the first few chapters of it ages ago, but I was looking for the aforementioned deal-making, not what I'm looking for now.
I do think that Trump has the incredible ability to create systems around him where only the information relevant to him reaches him - in his case press clippings and what's on cable news. Since his entire business depended on megaphoning his brand and keeping in the collective consciousness, that was a very astute decision. He was constantly monitoring the barometer of popular opinion.
Michael Phillips
>Art of the Deal by Donald Trump
I was being ironic lol
Wyatt Cooper
>You gotta change your strategies. Work smart, not hard.
Fucking terrible vague advice. You think I didn't figure that out after seeing it plastered about so much.
What defines working 'smart', how do you identify what should be prioritized.
>christian philosophy, that is, the only one that you should read.
Why? Name one book that's relevant to my current request?
So where will I find it homes?
Hunter Jackson
I should add - hijacking this thread has actually helped because having to explain what my problem, it seems to me my problem is information processing and pattern recognition. Because i don't detect the right 'patterns' I don't know what to prioritize, so I make bad decisions because I'm 'putting my eggs in the wrong basket'.
So: thanks?
Christopher Ward
>So where will I find it homes?
You won't find it reading books of ancient philosophy, that's for sure.
Colton Carter
Are you autistic lol? What are you talking about?
Ryan Lopez
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Most relevant philosophy of the 21st century so far. In essence, we now know that there is an afterlife as an empirical fact.
Jeremiah Bennett
Not this guy again, come on.
Mason Cooper
Been reading nothing but math for the last couple years. Last philosophy book was descartes discourse on the method. Pretty good book.
Ayden Harris
Is there a book for the feel of that picture?
Logan Hill
Currently reading summa contra gentiles by St. Thomas Aquinas. It's been good for building a solid foundation for my otherwise flaky faith. I was an atheist for about 5 years and a "logical" approach of faith and Christianity is nice.
Jackson Roberts
How about instead of telling me where I won't find it, you tell me where I will find it, other wise it feels a bit like a Abbot and Costello sketch
>inb4 'who does it feel like?'
>Are you autistic lol?
Might have ADHD.
>What are you talking about?
Project management I guess? Or rather the step where you have to decide what are the objectives of a project - you know something needs to be done - but what do you focus on?
Jaxson Gutierrez
>Currently reading summa contra gentiles by St. Thomas Aquinas.
That's on my reading list.
>Or rather the step where you have to decide what are the objectives of a project - you know something needs to be done - but what do you focus on?
That's not philosophy, bucko.
Cameron Turner
I apologize if it bothers you that I am way ahead of our time.
Check this out: allaboutchristian.com
Or basically any NDE book where the focus is on the account itself, and not on the science or spirituality thereof.
Julian Flores
>I find it unlikely, very unlikely.
Why?
Isaac Martin
Its really good. I dont agree with a lot of it, though. Just keep in mind that it was written at the time of the Crusades and so he speaks pretty low of Jews and gentiles, as it was a book to help Christian missionaries.
Jacob Martinez
>That's not philosophy, bucko.
Well then what's the point of reading philosophy?
Ayden Cox
>Why?
Because while consciousness and qualia are conceptually different from the neurological and mental operations a person has, they tend to be intrinsically connected. A person's consciousness is derived not from a single "conscious" or "qualia" center of the brain but by a multitude of sense perceptions. I'm not even sure what we could call "qualia" but I'm sure that something exists like that, but we can't even grasp it. I think that it's composed of a variety of different stimuli and different neurological events in the brain that all work together to create some "qualia" but I don't know what it is exactly and how it comes to be, but it seems pretty certain to me that there are certain degrees of it (that consciousness and qualia work in degrees and is not as simple as you have it, or you are a philosophical zombie) and this qualia uses to be integrally connected with your psychological state and the brain. So basically I would find it extremely improbable that one would be in a normal mental state, acquiring stimuli from everywhere, and not have any "qualia" and just be a philosophical zombie. Even more improbable would be that, were such to be the case, this philosophical zombie would go through lying on top of it asserting that he has qualia even though he doesn't. I mean, hypothetically it's a thought experiment, but there's no logical reason why a philosophical zombie would say he has qualia when he doesn't.
>Well then what's the point of reading philosophy?
It's an activity, a hobby if you will. Like a sport.
Gavin Stewart
>It's an activity, a hobby if you will. Like a sport.
Fair enough, I can't begrudge others of their hobbies and amusements if they don't do any harm.
Charles Anderson
Philosophy is a pretty great hobby m8, you should try. For sure it's better to read philosophy than fiction.
Ethan Peterson
the book all robots should read
Hunter Bell
I'd rather spend my reading finding strategies and information to sole the practical struggles in my life, I've dabbled in Plato, Derrida, Wittgenstein, and Nietzsche though. That's my choice though, like I said, can't begrudge or speak for you or anybody else.
Jordan Wood
I just finished reading a portion interpretation of Wittgenstein's Tractatus. I got a bit bored. I've begun working on a book titled "God, Guilt and Death" and it seems fine.
Wyatt Ross
>12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson
I tried reading it. Couldn't stand it. So fucking boring and badly written
> I've dabbled in Plato, Derrida, Wittgenstein, and Nietzsche though
That's a pretty good taste with the exception of Derrida.
>I just finished reading a portion interpretation of Wittgenstein's Tractatus. I got a bit bored.
The Tractatus is a really fun read desu.
Asher Parker
I imagine the Tractatus itself is nice. It I was reading someone interpreting its terseness. While I appreciate all philosophy I find analytic traditions to be, for lack of a good term, unexciting. It's mathematics versus music. They can both be used to describe each other to an extent but conventional experience of either is much different. I found myself enamoured with Hegel at the same time but decided I didn't want to go to much effort of following his line of thought. Thus, because of the current depressive, unenergetic state I've fallen into, I've went with some stuff a little less abstract while still being palatable.
Jackson Brown
>Hegel
Pick up Schopenhauer instead.
John Hernandez
>That's a pretty good taste with the exception of Derrida.
If you're an artist, especially someone who works in narrative or metaphor - be it prose, poetry, or any visual form, Derrida is motherfucking quintessential because he gets you thinking about "reading between the lines" and adding layers of complexity and strategic ambiguities to your work that make it way way way richer. Also his work sits surprisingly well with Heinz von Foerster (who I think was Wittgenstein's nephew) and cybernetic theories and cognetive science theories of cognition (although I hear later Wittgenstein also covers a lot of this - I haven't gotten around to that).
Mason Williams
I love me some Schopenhauer! Maybe I should just return to him in my darker hours.
Blake Thomas
>Heinz von Foerster
>Watching some video on him
Holy shit, when he became an old man he got so fucking fucked. He talks like a villain.
Luis Richardson
He talks like a Austrian Sylvester the Cat... an Aushtrian Shilveshter da Catch
Isaiah Morales
I just want to talk to someone about philosophy........
Carter Edwards
What bit of philosophy in particular?
Adam Lewis
>What bit of philosophy in particular?
Anything. I pretty much have an overrall knowledge on every topic of philosophy so anything you come up with I at least know something about. What I'd love to talk about though is Karl Popper.
Dominic Jenkins
I know nothing about Karl Popper. Tell me why you like them while I read a superficial overview of this person.
Ryan Garcia
>Karl Popper.
The falsifiability and theories stuff, or the open societies stuff?
Jordan Rivera
>Tell me why you like them while I read a superficial overview of this person.
Basically I am quite interested in Philosophy of Science. It's interesting that this guy lived during the time of Wittgenstein and actually even had meetings with him. There was a time that they even got into a fight during a Poker Match and if I remember correctly, Wittgenstein stormed out and slammed shit in anger because they were disagreeing fundamentally on the problems of philosophy. Popper took a much more common sense perspective by arguing that not all problems of philosophy are derivative of problems of language like Wittgenstein believed (at the time) and the Logical Positivists did, which also seems to me to be the theory that makes the most sense. Not everything is reducible to semantics like the Logical Positivists argue.
On the beginning of Popper's The Logic, he very intelligently expounds his views and he argues against Scientism, in a way, and specially against Logical Positivism, which seems to me to be a very good perspective on things. What do you think?
>The falsifiability and theories stuff, or the open societies stuff?
I like them both, but right now more focused on the former.
Noah Foster
As I said, I am not aquanted with Popper but from what you have said he sounds like he has some nice ideas. My curiosity in Wittgenstein stemmed from a disconnect of language I often have with someone in my life thus I asked myself "what more may be derivative of our distinct languages?" That said, his perspective, as a well formed philosophy, is rather new me. I intuitively grasp what he is reaching for but because he comes from an analytic tradition he is building upwards from more sterile means. As an outcome I have a divide in my mind between the analytics and continentals wherein I view the continentals as presenting a grand orchestral production of life while the analytics give very pointed, sterile critiques or explanations of certain aspects of existence. If I could sum up everything I think Popper sounds like a nice bridge to explore between the two traditions and a method to fully integrate the analytic tradition into my frame of reference. I hope I have not been too pompous in my words.
Caleb Lopez
>As an outcome I have a divide in my mind between the analytics and continentals wherein I view the continentals as presenting a grand orchestral production of life while the analytics give very pointed, sterile critiques or explanations of certain aspects of existence.
Yeah, that's the division that everybody talks of.
>If I could sum up everything I think Popper sounds like a nice bridge to explore between the two traditions and a method to fully integrate the analytic tradition into my frame of reference.
Yeah, but the thing is though, if you haven't a really good understanding of prior philosophy, you won't understand anything of Popper's book. It's not an easy read, you gotta know a lot about prior philosophy to understand what he's talking about, but once you do, it's gonna be a great fucking read.
What do you know about Wittgenstein?
Joshua Cooper
I think you settled on consciousness too early. You should put more thought into it. People try to understand the world without taking the mind into account, but its the most important thing of them all imo.
What do you think about this? en.wikipedia.org
Sebastian Morris
>not realising that mathematics is a branch of philosophy
Joseph Miller
>What do you mean I settled on consciousness too early?
I actually have personal reasons to hold the philosophical views on consciousness that I do hold at the moment. It is even because were I not to hold them, then my mental health and the "certainty" I have that is derived from the Worldview I currently have would be greatly diminished. I have to believe in what I believe because otherwise, it might do me harm. I have very personal reasons to believe in what I believe.
>What do you think about the Collective Unconscious
I don't know anything about Jung, to be completely honest.