How can anyone un-neet themselves in this fucked up economy? After five years in the workforce I've gone from making minimum wage ($7.25) to a measly $10/hour. Every week I make $400 before taxes, closer to $300 after taxes. That's around $1200 take-home per month.
Rent for a shitty, rundown apartment in my area would cost around $600/month. Maybe $500 if I get a real dump in a bad location. Tack on ~$100 for electricity (average, it would be more in the winter and less in the summer), another ~$50 for water, ~$30 for garbage pickup, $50 for my phone bill, $50 for internet, ~$100 for car insurance (average, it's actually $600 every six months), ~$200 in food (gotta have my tendies), $70 on gas for my car if I ONLY go to work and grocery store, and probably even more minor expenses that I'm not even considering.
That totals $1250 every month. $50 more than I make, and it isn't even accounting for everything, and I would have less than nothing left over for fun (eating out, vidya, toys, drugs), emergencies, etc.
I make 38% MORE than the minimum wage and that isn't even enough to SURVIVE without mooching off of my parents. I fucking hate this goddamned country so much. How in the fuck is ANYONE supposed to support themselves like this?
you forgot to include your corporate welfare (foodstamps)
Luke Price
You have to live with roommates. when you are sharing rent & utilities, it is easier to pay and you can even afford to live in a decent area. Also, of you geta real job, you should be able to make more than $10/hr. If you are a student, just take out loans and try to get as much tax exemption and credits as you can.
Owen Robinson
You dont pay bills if you rent an apartment or a room in one. At least here you dont and i live in a 2nd world shithole.
Ryan Robinson
The idea of being one of "those people" makes me extremely uncomfortable. At least now I'm just mooching off of my parents instead of every single US taxpayer.
>You have to live with roommates I would honestly rather commit suicide. >Also, of you geta real job, you should be able to make more than $10/hr I'm always trying to move up or just get a better-paying job, but five years of work has only netted me a $2.75 increase from my first job at Burger King. At this rate it will be ten years before I even break $15/hr. >If you are a student, just take out loans I'm not a student but even if I were this doesn't sound like very good advice, I know a few college graduates who work shittier jobs than I do and are drowning in debt.
Some places here have everything included in the rent, but the rent is always several hundred dollars more, and it ends up being more expensive in the end.
Robert Foster
Yea you should get on food stamps. Thatll lessen the blow every month. See if you can het a phone plan that you can tether to so you can drop the 50 a month internet bill.
Adam Perez
Maybe you should consider moving somewhere else then? Here in California, minimum wage is like $10/hr, there is plenty of construction work that pays $20/hr with no experience, and if you live away from major cities, crime and rent are much lower.
Ethan Richardson
Just have rich parents bro
Just take out student loans bro
Just go into stem bro
Hahaha... We really do live in a society
Jordan Robinson
No beaners take all those jobs. And because they work like dogs, they set a precedent that cant be matched by whites or niggers. Especially for the price. If op is a dumb spic then he could work in cali doin manual labor
John Collins
I do want to move elsewhere but it isn't as easy as just moving. I can't move to a new area without a job, and no employer would hire someone halfway across the country (the exception being for skilled workers like engineers or some shit but that obviously doesn't apply to me), and I certainly don't make enough to take the time off of work to travel out to these places to scope out jobs/apartments, not to mention the actual cost of moving.
Ryder Barnes
You can't live alone in this economy. You'll need at least two roommates making equal to or more than you to make ends meet now.
Matthew Thompson
DUDE get rid of your internet and switch to a cellular company with unlimited data and use a hotspot for your internet. You will save 50$ a month because you won't be paying for internet.
Justin Walker
Are we ever gonna be able to afford a house? This shit is fucked.
Jonathan Morgan
Youre not meant to live on your own on minimum wage. Get several roommates.
Ethan Richardson
I'm on my way to becoming a neet for the first time in my life.
>steady work since I was 18 >find better job >quit job because fuck it >apply to new job >go to interview >everything looks good >get told I'll be receiving an email with instructions to submit info for my background check and drug screening >8 hours later still no email >email them >say I'll probably get it tomorrow by the end of the day
I've been reading about some companies doing this to fill up quotas and stuff, now I probably have no job. I want to kill myself.
Let's say I manage to find a plan that offers that for the same cost (it would definitely be more expensive though), and I save $50. That drops me down to $1200. I'm still spending my entire paycheck. That sounds very dangerous. What if my car fucks up? Or I get sick? Or some other unforeseen expense comes up? I'd be fucked.
Levi Baker
Burger king isnt a real job you asswipe. Its for teenagers and old people. Ofcourse they fucking dont pay enough for you to have your own apartment
Jose Brown
You can do all that online and you can definitely apply for jobs in areas you plan on moving to. You can also apply for a small personal finance loan to cover moving costs. >Mexicans work like dogs I see them taking literal siestas on a regular basis. They dont work that much harder than the average person you can easily get a job in construction it doesnt matter what your race is(as long as you arent black).
Adam Sanchez
unskilled labor is virtually worthless and it's not getting any better.
Logan Ward
>>say I'll probably get it tomorrow by the end of the day I'm always applying for better jobs and I always know it won't work out when they promise something within a timeframe and that timeframe passes without hearing from them. I don't even follow up anymore. I can't count how many times I've been told "We'll reach out to you by the end of the week" only for the week to pass with no word.
Luke Walker
I don't work at BK anymore, like I said that was my first job.
>You can do all that online Everyone always says what an awful idea it is to sign a lease for an apartment you've never seen in person, that just sounds like a recipe for being scammed. >you can definitely apply for jobs in areas you plan on moving to. Sure you can apply but no company would hire some guy halfway across the country who "plans" to move there when they've got plenty of local applicants that they don't have to gamble so much on.
Yeah the problem here is you are working at Burger King. Unless you're a manager or in high school or college, Burger King is a job designed for the bottom barrel of society who are expected to be on welfare/not make it. You need to look for a place that will train you in a skill.
Angel Wilson
>my first job at Burger King BK was my first job, is english not your first language? I haven't worked there in over 3 years.
Not people like me with (minor) physical deformities
Cameron Bailey
What is your deformity?
Nicholas Brown
ITT: under aged kids don't know what the fuck they're talking about
for example, if you work 2 jobs, you can easily live by yourself. this possibility is being omitted because the posters on this board are just dumb, i dunno.
Jose Mitchell
I'm not going to read to the bottom of the thread before I post you fucking deformed fag. Have fun working at Burger King and living with your parents until you kill yourself
Ian Cox
>The idea of being one of "those people" makes me extremely uncomfortable. At least now I'm just mooching off of my parents instead of every single US taxpayer. You idiot, you are a taxpayer too. Where do you think sales tax or income tax goes? Or your parents' taxes, for that matter. Go leech off as much as you can.
Nolan Reyes
That's why I like staying comfy in my room with my weed and vidya user.
There was never any point in time when one person earning minimum wage could afford a nice apartment and a nice standard of living. America isn't the problem here, the problem is that your expectations are unrealistic.
This guy knows what's up; using your numbers, you could save $415 a month if you had a roommate (50% reduction in rent, electricity, water, garbage, and internet).
I've got fucked up feet. Standing for more than 10 minutes at a time results in extreme pain. Jobs like BK were excruciating because I had to stand up for literally 10 hours at a time. Never was able to afford the surgery to fix them. At least I never have to worry about being drafted if we go to war. That's what my childhood doctor told me anyway.
Brandon Phillips
>Rent for a shitty, rundown apartment in my area would cost around $600/month. Maybe $500 if I get a real dump in a bad location. Tack on ~$100 for electricity (average, it would be more in the winter and less in the summer), another ~$50 for water, ~$30 for garbage pickup, $50 for my phone bill, $50 for internet, ~$100 for car insurance (average, it's actually $600 every six months), ~$200 in food (gotta have my tendies), $70 on gas for my car if I ONLY go to work and grocery store, and probably even more minor expenses that I'm not even considering. It's called roommates dumbass boy you sure are fucking stupid.
>getting this salty lmao. the people with min wage jobs have better attitudes than you.
Tyler Collins
Do shoe pads or whatever it is for the soles of your feet not work?
Logan Roberts
>I would honestly rather commit suicide. ahahaha get fucked faggot. Only people who aren't failures get to live alone.
Cooper Rivera
That was in the post you quoted though
Elijah Lopez
No, not even the specialized ones made by doctor specifically for my feet help much.
Jordan Williams
I bring home 3200 a month and I still feel like moving out would be a terrible financial decision, the housing market is fucked.
Julian Gray
Are they really that unrealistic? The apartments I'm referring to aren't even "nice" by any means. A "nice" apartment around here would be well over $1000/month
Robert Nguyen
I'm sorry to hear that. Any chance of getting some kind of disability payments for it?
Landon Moore
"moving up" in America will make you hate Americans. that's why we are where we are today: a politically divisive shithole society full of fucking drug addicted degenerates.
just read this thread: why would you want to associate with anyone? if you aren't anti-social now, you will be.
I don't know, I've never looked into it. Maybe I'll just say fuck it and get on food stamps and go for disability. I'm losing my sanity still living with my parents. And they're getting older and won't be around forever. I need to do something.
Noah Adams
Well it hasn't passed yet, who knows. Maybe I do get the email tomorrow. If not, I'm fucked.
Christian Cooper
that sucks op, but I think you are making excuses for yourself. You can probably improve you life if you are willing to make temporary sacrifices.
If you qualify for food stamps and disability, then get as much of it as you can. I'm not saying live the life of a welfare queen, but if those services are available you should take them. That's what they're there for. Don't worry about pride or anything like that. Think of it as securing what little birthright you have left from this nation before it all goes down the tubes.
No one is going to praise you for avoiding government benefits that you qualify for, nor is rejecting them going to help you personally either. You've got decent work ethic; don't refuse a leg-up.
Owen Watson
>You can probably improve you life if you are willing to make temporary sacrifices What kind of sacrifices?
Charles Smith
I live outside and keep moving. Its much simpler and I don't have to deal with people. It's just me, my tent, the woods, my whisky, and the labor pool when I have to work for anything foodstamps won't cover. Gave up on living a normal life long ago.
Henry Taylor
like roommating until you can save up enough to move
Carson Baker
Oh shit, that sounds awesome and I've fantasized about living similarly in the past. >the labor pool What exactly does this mean? Do you find temporary work or do you just keep regular jobs long enough to pay for whatever you need? If the former, how do you reliably find work like that? Also do you rent a PO box or something for the tugboat? Would you describe yourself as content with this way of life?
Kevin Turner
>a lot of apartment buildings will include water/heat in your rent if you are lucky and know what to look for >If you electric bill for a small, studio apartment is ever $100 even in the winter, you are doing something wrong >If you choose to live in an apartment building you don't pay for garbage pickup. Included in rent like water >For a NEET / EX-NEET you do not need to spend $50 on your phone. There are plans available where you pay by minute or by day and only charged on days used >Internet price is accurate. Gotta have fast speeds >Why not take the bus everywhere and sell the car? >Try spending only $80 a month on food and see it that helps. That's what I spend on food a month and never felt happier.
Caleb Jones
When I'm stationary I hold a regular job. Normally during the colder months. I save and make my money hard to spend on purpose. I do that with holding crypto currency and leaving small caches of precious metals with friends and family. I don't live that life style 100% of the time. Right now I'm housed up.
Labor pool- day labor. In the US there's daily work for daily pay. Labor Finders is one company I've had good experiences with. When I don't feel the need to work or there isn't a labor pool within a hundred miles I'll fly a sign at a busy on ramp. Mode of transportation is hitch hiking. Hygiene is satiated with a bucket and hand towel or truck stop showers. I receive mail either at places I used to live, a mailbox at a shelter, or general delivery at a post office.
>tugboat What?
I'm currently stationary. Staying sober for at least a year before I do anything else. I always have an exit strategy ready if shit hits the fan or I get tired of sleeping outside.
It's hard living and not for the faint of heart. But it's worth it if you're strong enough.
Jace Scott
move, and put in minimum effort you lame piece of shit
Lucas Parker
based illiterate
Caleb Flores
I get slightly excited when thinking about this sort of stuff but then I remember you have to be a normalfag to do it. I bet a dollar your lifestyle forces you to interact with people almost daily.
Oliver Lewis
If by interact you mean stand on an on ramp with a smile on my face so people give me dollars, yeah. If I want to drink I have to spange. You could do just straight labor pool, though. Mix that with food stamps and you don't have to see anyone but the job site manager and whoever's handing out the work tickets. If you want to get real anti social you can learn to hop freight. Don't have to see anyone for that. Part of it is avoiding people (the railyard bulls).
I remember once I pitched my tent next to a water source and had three gallons of whisky. I didn't leave camp for a solid week. Loved it. Didn't see another soul the whole time.
Jack Phillips
>unemployment rate literally at its lowest point in history >can't find a job user you might be retarded
Mason Allen
I'm almost at three years at my current job. Started at $9, made it to $12 a dollar raise at a time, but I jump to $14 in January with opportunity for more raises as I switch departments. Also got full insurance and retirement benefits (already contributed about 3k in two years, so that's pushing 6.5k retirement account with employer match and interest earned). Also get a $1,000 bonus every six months the and two week laid vacation. I started as one if 160 seasonal hires to work February-May but I earned a spot in the 5/160 that got asked to stay permanent, and this was my first real job (was 23 year old anxiety riddled, social retarded NEET when I started) Tips for my moderate success: 1) dealing with management: don't be a blatant kiss ass, this alienates your peers and they see through it. Figure out what they want from you and give it to them.- 2) optics: don't look like shit. Wear.clothes appropriate for the job. Be clean. Shower every day. Don't develop a shitty reputation by backstabbing or being two faces. Smile a lot, join in on work humor because the more people laugh with you the better they like you 3)preparation: try your best to get enough sleep, it's essential for working, socializing, thinking, and appearance. Eat well so you have the energy to onions out work. Any tools or supplies you need, make sure to have. Everybody hates the guy who "borrows" a pen every single day for six weeks. Make sure to complete all training or studying expected of you 4) WORK HARD: When you have a job to do, fucking do it, work at it with your best effort. Quality work is better than sloppy work. Finishing quickly is better than finishing slowly. Ask the people who've been there longer if they have any advice or tips. Ask managers what your weak points are that you new to improve on.
Anthony Jackson
Other tips: At the end of the day, while everybody's headed home managers often have to stay behind to clean/prepare for next day. Ask if there's anything you can do to help. Whatever business you're in, do some independent study/research Don't be afraid of bosses/managers. Once you've worked long enough to feel secure, ask what are some new things for you to learn/responsibilities to take on. Ask what specifically it takes to move up. Have ambition, and make it known. Show the initiative You can't be everybody's friend. Make friends with the go-getters hustlers and hard workers, avoid the slackers and troublemakers IS ANYBODY ACTUALLY READING THESE/INTERESTED?
Lincoln Russell
I'm reading them, ya dingus.
Chase Young
>The idea of being one of "those people" makes me extremely uncomfortable. At least now I'm just mooching off of my parents instead of every single US taxpayer. Why the fuck do you care? You'd be mooching off the goverment which are all a bunch of scumbags anyways. I'd rather mooch off the government than my parents.
Lucas Thomas
Not to mention that if user's been taxed on anything ever he's just using what he paid into most of his life. There's nothing wrong with using food stamps.
Andrew Mitchell
I live new york state our minimum eage is gradually increasing and will be 12$ by 2020 so vote for representatives rho who increase minimum wage
Mason Taylor
good thing where i live minmium wage is a Minimum of 14 dollars and hour. less for students and waiters
