How many points can an ugly dude realistically move up in attractiveness by dressing well, grooming...

How many points can an ugly dude realistically move up in attractiveness by dressing well, grooming, and getting in shape?

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depends on how you look imo
what do u look like op
choke me with ur dick

Some people just cant be helped, but if you're not dog shit ugly, you could easily bring your attractiveness way up by doing what you said.

3-4 points. it can go further if you're tall and not disabled. Especially since girls don't too often care about the face.

just dont be obese and have bad hygene and i think your okay

You won't go up 10 points but you could probably jump up 8 or 9 if you work hard, dude

It all depends on your facial structure. If you lose weight and get good cheek bones and jawline then you could potentially go up 3 points. Dressing nicely helps if you're already attractive, you'll just look like an ugly tryhard otherwise.

If you're tall at least presentation can go far.

>have good face structure
Obviously attractive guys can become more attractive by grooming dipshit, the question is if ugly guys can.

OP said getting in shape, your facial structure won't be noticeable if you have a double chin.

>6ft
>20yrs
>buff frame
>not overweight
>lift everyday
>7/10 face
>decent fashion sense
>decent hair
>still khv and can't talk to girls cuz small dick destroyed my self confidence

It's not all about looks user

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very circumstantial but all those things together can help a lot of people who may think they were lost causes. im not chad by any means but it helped me a ton

Ideally I'd like to get high enough to score girls like pic related, but no roasties or femanons.

Your face will still be shit and you'll just come off as extremely superficial and fake, as if your face doesn't fit your body.

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>over 6 feet
>19 years
>buff frame
>alternate lifts with cardio
>8/10 face
>decent fashion sense
>decent hair
>still khv and can't talk to girls cuz smallish dick destroyed my confidence
i know that feel bro

Same thing as this guy but its because my penis is circumcised and I just get depressed when I have to face that fact

>19 years old.

Spotted your trouble.

I'm a manlet and I didn't lose mine till 22, in a sense.

I expect you to do better.

Are you the OP from the /fa/ thread? Sounds very similar.

what in the fuck are you faggots talking about. no man who is actually ugly will jump that much from self improvement. If a man is a 4 and he self improves then he will probably cap out at a 6 which is already in the attractive range. Guys are rarely going to jump 3+ points without surgery.

>in a sense
I already spiritually lost my virginity thanks

For ANY guy? 2, maybe 3 with lots of effort.

If you are tall and have a decent face tho, the sky is the limit.

I'd say it depends. working out can change the shape of your face for the better which could bump you up a point or two.

A guy with a 9 face is compared to other guys with 9 faces so that's the only time that anything below the neck(besides, arguably dick) matters. A 7 face with a gymcel body is going to be hard pressed to compete against a guy with a 9 face and an average body but it does matter for two 9s.

So to answer the question: "A point or two but it gives you extra points when compared to other people on your face level".

I think it can take a man from "normal" ugly (aka not disfigured or Elephant Man tier) to average, but there is a hard cap that prevents you from going further than a 5, or a maybe a 6 if you were actually an average dude who just didn't take good care of himself.

You can get past that cap by getting rich and powerful, but women still won't be really physically attracted to you.

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You're just pitching us the show queer eye. The answer is like 5 points (on a 10 point scale), every time