Why do incels care so much about virginal women?

I would never fuck a used fleshlight. No matter how clean it is, the thought of fucking a piece of plastic that other men have fucked disgusts me, even if it had been completely disinfected with the best products available. Most men would agree with me. Why is it that this subject is so controversial when talking about real vaginas, who by the way are not near as clean as actually disinfected fleshlights?

I don't even care that much about women being non-virgins, but this inconsistency is a little curious.

>stop caring about what I tell you not to care about

robots are so fucked up they look past being a virgin.

A fleshlight is an object. A woman is a human being, with her own life, her own experiences, ups, downs, happiness, depression , feelings of love, fear, sadness, bliss

virgins are for boring guys

Its just sad that incels, who already have almost no options to begin with, limit themselves. You need to be more realistic. Your self esteem is so low that you think a girl with a past will never like or love you, its not true at all. If she really likes you, she won't even be comparing your sex or your love in any way to her exes. Will she ever forget her first love? If he took her virginity, no. But that doesn't mean she cannot love you, have your back, help you become a better man.

Keep waiting for a virgin and you'll die a virgin.

That's cool and all, but that doesn't make the actual sexual contact any less disgusting than that when fucking an used fleshlight.

You're basically just saying that men put up with non-virgin women, rather than them having had other sexual partners not being a factor that is taken into account.

Most men do not care, making things worse for you is that the majority of men lose their virginity by like 20. You would care about virginity at all if you lost yours at a healthy age, had some relationship experience. Your mother kissed you with the same mouth she sucked your dads dick with, grow up dude.

Feminism might have convinced you that having as many sexual partners as you want is perfectly fine. And it is. For you. You get to decide your values. You don't get to decide other people's values, though.

You can choose not to conform to what other people want, but it's pretty insane to get mad at them for not wanting what you want them to.

But autistic robot values are not normal in real life. Most men don't care about virginity at all. If they find out she was a huge slut that slept around, yeah that will hurt. Most girls are pretty normal, 3 - 5 long term partners maybe a 1 night stand here and there. This does not phase the average guy at all, and he most likely has some wild nights of his own.

To start the relationship from an equal standpoint. For someone who's never had sex, sex is a big fucking deal. It'd be much better to go into it together and learn with each other rather than get "taught" everything and have years of expectations and comparisons on you when you have none on your side. It's just not a good dynamic, and for that same reason it's understandable why so many women don't want virgin men. So why is it not understandable that a virgin man wouldn't want that dynamic either?

>But autistic robot values are not normal in real life.
That's what I'm trying to tell you. You don't get to decide what people value by saying it's not normal.
I actually agree with you, but you're seriously underestimating the average woman's body count.

I agree but for the love of god, stop waiting for a virgin. You will not get one in the west. And yes women are repulsed by virgin men. What you need to do is become the best looking version of yourself and go on a tear on low hanging fruit. Fat girls, milfs, single mothers, filipinas, keep trying and you'll nail one. Work from there. Learn how to fuck and control your dick. You don't have to be a porn star most american girls are horrible at sex as well.

Almost every one cares about being with some one of their own equal sexual experiences. A lot of guy sluts don't want to be with virgins because they don't want to deal with the emotional baggage and the sex isn't fun. Every one has their preferences and often times they're for pretty legitimate reasons even if you don't understand them, even if they don't understand them. So fuck off.

I don't want to pointlessly fuck and have one night stands. I want to love someone and only them and have it be real, and them feel the same. I want it to be intimate and romantic and maybe then I'll have sex with them

Are you a woman? I ask because you're taking this so personally and have decided to start trying to shame me by calling me a virgin. I'm literally just asking questions and pointing things out that I think are interesting.
I don't know if I'm translating my thoughts properly. My point here is that even though fucking a used disinfected fleshlight is more hygienic (so to speak) than having sex with a woman that has a history with other men, most men would be disgusted by the idea of actually putting their dicks into it.

pls refrain from trying to shame me in the future, sweatie :^)

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Good advice for someone who's desperate as hell for sex or a relationship. I've made piece with being alone forever so it is what it is

>old and used car with thousands in mileage vs brand new car
tough choice

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this isn't bad advice.
combine these two things and the take away should be
EVERY GIRLFRIEND YOU GET SHOULD BE A PRACTICE GIRLFRIEND. use them to learn and get sex, then dump them. Give them the old pump and dump, gotta get those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers.

How are you going to love a woman if you cannot sexually satisfy her? How are you going to love her being an inexperienced little boy man to her? You need to work a few shit jobs before you get your career. You need to level up, for HER.

That's not a good analogy. I don't ever want to start a relationship I have no intention of continuing, even and especially if the encounter is sexual.

If you really thought about what you just wrote for a few minutes you would realize how stupid you sound.

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Sex is something people are supposed to discover and explore together. What you're describing sounds shit to me, tbqhwyf

As much as any incel wants a virgin women don't want virgins prove me wrong

yeah when you're both like 17 lol

Because an unpure women doesn't deserve my pure love.

I'm just saying, divorced from relationships it's kinda gross.

Some female virgins want virgins. You can see them say it here and on CC.

Most men, do care as a matter of fact, which is why most men won't get into serious relationships with prostitutes and complete sluts.

Most men just get over it because the alternative is not having sex but virtually any man who says he doesn't care about promiscuity is in fact lying. It's like a woman saying she doesn't care about how much money you make, it's bullshit.

>Women are not property or objects

Hey roastie, get off my board!

>Keep waiting for a virgin and you'll die a virgin.

Fine. I'm okay with this unironically.

>incel
Stop responding to this shit idiots.

And you know it's because females want males that are experienced. A robot, or faggot ass incel, has not the experience, ergo they need even less experienced females.

Because women care about NONvirginal men.

So why do guys care about there partners body count at all then? If she's clean and loyal and fucked 100 guys, why would most men dismiss her?

Do not use the word incel. It is literally women psyops to slut shame men for wanting to fuck.

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Most incels are looking for virgins, that's a meme. Most just don't want sluts, as a 25yo virgin myself, not necessarily an incel, I've had chances to have sex with a few total skanks, but regular well adjusted women don't like me because I'm a loser, which makes perfect sense. Just as it makes sense that I wouldn't want a whore who talks about how much she likes anal less than 30 minutes after meeting her.

>Experience is a good thing

Not always. Especially not in this case.

aren't*

orgianlblox

>as a 25yo virgin myself, not necessarily an incel

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>literally women psyops to slut shame men for wanting to fuck.
u wot
It's just routine normalfags virgin-bullying
They just found a more fun word for it now and it's even 2018-friendly because they can pretend they're being virtuous while they do it

Nah most men do care, hence why every friend I have has bragged about being taking at least one girls virginity, it didn't work out in any case, but that's just life, but they did in fact care.

>clean and loyal
>fucked 100 guys

hmm...

>Most men do not care
Lol, do you even use the internet or social media?

Maybe I'm just coping, but I have indeed had a few skanks at social events be so overt with their advances that I simply pretended not to notice because I didn't want to get herpes.

You know I'm kind of in the same situation. If I really wanted to just get my dick wet I could have done it by now.

Most female virgins over the age of 20+ are virgins for a reason as well, just like their male counterparts their usually mentally unwell. Theres just less of them to go around in comparison to male virgins.

>If she really likes you, she won't even be comparing your sex or your love in any way to her exes.

Extremely unlikely

>Keep waiting for a virgin and you'll die a virgin.

Fine with me

Why would I comprise my morals just to appease some faggot I don't even know.

This board has the most insecure people on the planet.

Indeed, if I were a better man I would have, but alas, a low status male with nothing to offer can only attract equally low hanging fruit. I'd rather just be a virgin desu.

The problem with "incel" I have is it is the most outward expression of sexual obsession that has come to dominate the West. Every single person here criticizing "incels" and "virgin" men might as well be putting the gun in the hand of Elliot Rodger. The sex obsession has now come to dominate every corner of public and private life, free internet porn, advertising, tv shows, movies, online dating, dating apps, sexy sidebar ads.

Rather then come into a healthy balance with his sexuality, the White, Western man chooses to blindly follow down this path of hedonism. It has gotten to such a point where the "successful" men sexually need to go out and attack their less sexually successful counterparts. Now think, if those people were truly happy, would they be running around and autistically attacking those "incels"? No. And feminists keep the sex obsession through the sexual liberation (read: degradation) and attacking those loser males.

All this build to an unhealthy sex obsession that has now come to its apex. We are so separate from the true meaning of sex (procreation) that we now think actions have no consequences between consenting adults. Every act an insult, every move a waste. Stop your sex obsession. Get married. Have children. Stay chaste otherwise.

Lol, wtf
You're an idiot dude. You think all women fit the same profile? I would rather my bf be a virgin is well. That way we could explore our likes and dislikes together, like a normal couple.
I rather have that then some dude bro, bringing in all the shit he learned from his disgusting hedonistic adventures.

Why is it insecure? Because what I want is different than what you want?

Just because she had sex with 100 men doesn't mean she can't be loyal shithead

Just because a mans murdered 100 people doesn't mean he isn't safe to be around.

inb4 thirst derail

Incels are not just virgins. If you feel offended for being called incel, it's because you fit the profile (beta Jow Forumsfag, basically). And before you say that it literally means involuntarily celibate, that is not the current definition.
You need to learn how to read language.

Yeah mentally unwell. Definitely less mentally adjusted then the girls fucking new guys every month or getting gangbanged.

What if incels want virgins because they're virgins?

It has nothing to do with the girl's actual virginity. Otherwise, you would toss her aside once you boned her. It's to do with perceived inadequacy.

Nice false comparison.

they have small dicks and are afraid deathly afraid they cant please a regular woman. trust me ive talked to them extensively about it. one guy who had a 4 incher talked very candidly about his phobia of not being able to please a non virgin woman to me.

Smart man. Be part of the population that doesnt get the herps, like me.

>"words mean what I say they mean and not what they literally mean"
Yeah nah

You're right, if she's sucked 100 dicks, I wouldn't want her then either. It's all emotional. And what makes you think they would toss them side?

Lets just do a little thought experiment. Let's say that at the age of 26 your "clean and loyal" thot decides to settle down with a permanent partner after having become sexually active on get 16th birthday. That would imply that on average every 36 and one half days she would have transitioned from one cock to another. Enjoy your month of everlasting love buddy

It's not a dichotomy. People aren't either virgins or whores. If actual virginity is what matters, the girl would lose her value once deflowered. If the guy didn't value her less, then the virginity was unimportant to begin with. What incels want is a blank slate. Not virginity.

Since when did Jow Forums get all these virtue signaling motivational speakers? Shutup faggot. No one wants nor will take your advice.

I'm a woman I have a fetish for virgins. I've taken 30 virginities and have been having sex for around 14 years but want more. i can not control this addiction. help me.

So if a female virgin wants a male virgin they'd probably just toss them aside?

That sounds awful. I don't want to be the male equivalent of a chad's pump and dump

almost every virgin ive been with was khhv too. no shrink can help me figure this shit out so ive stopped fighting it. only getting stuffed with spreglord cum can help me now. its ok if you want to use me as a stepping stone to gain confidence to finally get a respectable non whore woman. i just genuinely want a guy at the very bottom of the social ladder. and yes i actually get off on it. i get off reading dumbass redpill hypergamy stuff (even tho its so stupid); just has to do with how much 'social superiority' i have over the other person really gets me off. going in complete reverse to hypergamy rules rly does it for me.

nah i want to get to know each one first, & actually train him too not just toss him aside after the first time. my fetishes don't make sense without both gentleness, kindness, and training/teaching/grooming aspects.

>just has to do with how much 'social superiority' i have over the other person really gets me off
Honestly I have such low self esteem that this is kind of a huge turn on

I'm 7 inches and still want a virgin
I could your pov though

>Why do incels care so much about virginal women?

I'm a 32 year old virgin man.
Ideally i would like to lose it to a virgin.
but I don't give two fucks who I lose it to, as long as it's in a committed relationship.

But I see nothing wrong with virgins wanting to lose it to other virgins.

The definition is the definition. People attaching feelings and generalizations to the word is their own connotations

I already posted it but I want to love someone indefinitely and I want them to love me. This just sounds like it would make me feel worse than I already do.

good because i dont mean i like how normies mean it because i see myself as very omega and outside the social system completely. thats part of what gets me off. i once found it especially hot while posting a pic of myself next to one of my lovers on soc, this one chad guy continuously was hitting on me as I rejected him he got more & more pissed off and started saying stuff like ''you'd fuck that fat small dicked monster but not me? my dick is bigger though & im fit'' ive heard similar things a lot; shallow things like 'my this is more that' but thats exactly part of the reason i get off on it. when normies seen me as a gross demented pathological pervert i feel the most outside of their stupid rigged phoney bullshit games.

Meanings change, retard. There are words now that mean the complete opposite to what they originally meant (e.g. terrific).

No, what matters is baggage. I wouldn't want to be with a girl who wasn't and virgin, and neither would want to be with a girl who is a virgin but wants to fuck a lot of men.
What I want is a girl who has similar morals as me and wants to start a new clean chapter together, not one where she's fucked a stranger or had a long term bf.

What makes you think virgin is my only requirement

I hate myself for being turned on by this

the fuck is the definition of an incel?
is it virgins, or just men who can't get laid?
I don't give two fucks about it to even bother looking it up.

I'm not insecure I want partner who doesn't say yes to every guy who asks. It shows shes confident and has self respect which is attractive, and what most girls are lacking.

you are a good boy baby, keep stroking that pathetic virgin cock for me. you are a cumpump so its your only purpose in life to follow your natural autistic instinct to brainlessly hump my sacred slut slit & fill it with your genetically inferior spreg jizz.

>i just genuinely want a guy at the very bottom of the social ladder.
Saaid no women ever. larp some more

This, virgin girls value who they have sex with

Fucking diamonds. Why can't I be normal and respond to regular people shit.

unfortunately im real im just a psychotically demented slut.