Does r9k agree with this statement?

Even if it is a mental illness, there really is only one proven way to make the person feel better, and that is transition. Therapy and drugs have been tried to death and don't work. Transition, on the other hand, has good outcomes when the person 'passes'.

>A depression person sometimes really wants to die. Do you kill them? No you give them the missing substances and a therapy.
>A "trans" person really wants to become the opposite gender. What does our medicine do?
Give them the missing substances known as estrogen

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That's easy, they aren't.

Bullshit, it's like saying you should kill depressive persons, because they want it and it would make them 'happy'.

i honestly agree with this and i have opinions on what constitutes bigotry that line up more with OP's screenshot than this thread. not dating someone with heavy emotional baggage because you really can't or don't want to deal with it is more healthy than the alternative. if you know there's going to be some issues to work through going in, then it's probably doomed from the start.

trans is a choice. You could have gender dysphoria and choose to live your life as the gender you were born as, or choose to transition.

Other than that, I don't really agree with this statement. Refusing to date someone because you're not sexually attracted to them is also something that is out of their control, but we don't call people bigots for not dating ugly or disabled people.

Obviously it's nothing like one. In the case of trans people, after treatment they can go on to live happy lives. Why wouldn't you want that?

No, that's dumb and the "under any circumstances" thing was added to make it look like the people who disagree are the dumb ones, so if you disagree with that specific statement you're saying you wouldn't date an X woman even if she were Y "obviously overwhelmingly desirable traits" and thus you aren't just a guy with preferences, you're a bigot who sees these people as subhumans.

Funny part is that, ironically, this is partly the kinda thing that gets people to think that.

also that and the "anyone reasonable" bit show that, in their heads, they've won not only that single argument, but all arguments a person could possibly make. It's fuckin' crazy how people are so cemented in their beliefs nowadays. I kinda miss the Bush era. At least we could make fun of these fucking weirdos without getting called a bigot or a cuck.

They can do whatever they want. But I have my own opinion. And I don't want to hear 'ewww you are so backwards and disgusting' just because someone can't accept it.

>brazil
lol. didn't read the rest, though

Nobody called you backwards or disgusting - but you have to see that your argument is wrong here. Even if you think being trans is a mental illness (and there's mounting evidence that shows it isn't), then why wouldn't you accept the most successful treatment for it?

The child carry excuse always irks me. Like you would actually have sex with a biological man if i wasnt for the whole baby thing?

I am not attracted to colostomy bags. I think that if I said I'd refuse to date any woman who used a colostomy bag that would make me an arsehole.

My preference might be for people without colostomy bags, but discounting anyone who has one is a dick move.

>muh preferences
dumb relativist shit. How about not dating someone because you have principles, like you aren't a gay miscegenator. How beta do you have to be to not want to be labeled a "bigot" stop trying to reason on their terms.

>. Like you would actually have sex with a biological man if i wasnt for the whole baby thing?

Yes because if men could have children woman would go extinct for their lack of biological fitness and I would be biologically programmed to find other men attractive.

They arent women

Yeah they are go back r/thedonald

Have you ever knowingly met a trans woman? They might not all look exactly like other women, but they have the thought processes for sure.

I'd be surprised if I ever unknowingly met a trans women. Most of them are so bad at it it's blatantly obvious.

I'm heterosexual not heterogenderual.

That means I like the female gonads

Yes i have.

>they have the thought processes for sure
here is a (you)

Would you date a trans man then?

I have principles, they entail not bending my preferences for some faggot ideologue and his feelings.

If I was attracted to them, sure.

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I agree, men should date trans women.
ALL socialized beauty norms that are discriminatory must be purged from society

trans man chipping in - the point is moot because we'd never date anyone who thought we were women anyway

Do you have magical powers than can tell the difference between a trans woman and woman?

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They're not and they never will be and you will never shame enough people into thinking they are just because you want to deny biological reality and replace it with your clownworld emotion biology

It's the biological gender that determines sexual preference, not the mental one. Get based.

>my principles are libertine "do what makes you feel good" mantras
lol reprobate

Gender isn't within your control either.
You aren't bi? Well then you're a bigot.
>But yeah, given race is so ambiguous, stating racial preference as prescriptive rather than descriptive is revealing of some deeper politics

Yes.
origenao

I have the magical powers of obvservation like for one their ADAMS APPLE, low pitch voice, large shoulders, forearms and hands that absolutely do not look like a womans. Most of the time they also have man chins, large feet, no tits or ass and oh yeah A COCK

You lefties all belong in an asylum

Newfags need to learn how to greentext

Why should someone have to respect chioces not given to them? What if I wanted to be born a woman? What if I wanted to be born to different parents, or in another country? You don't get to choose most of the shit in your life, and until people understand that and back down, they'll never stop being assholes.

Why should I like those demographics and groups based on the reasoning that those things are out of their control when my sexuality and who I find attractive is also out of my control?

This people seriously exaggerate how much a straight man accepts transwomen. All its gonna end up doing is making people identify as bigot. If the options are suck a dick or be a bigot, people are gonna choose bigot.

Is that so? Because I'm a trans dude into men, but my tastes are far more 'gay' than you'd expect from a straight girl. Like I'm all about ass and buckets of cum, girls don't seem to like that so much.

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The mind should determine the body, not the other way around.

They aren't. You can't make babies with them. They don't have true pussies. Only gaping holes that they gotta take care of on a weekly basis or else it gets infected.

> Only gaping holes that they gotta take care of on a weekly basis or else it gets infected.

That's literally describing a vagina. Only replace weekly with 'daily'. #yeast

So if a mans mind was teleported into a biological female body that was a 10/10 , that would be gay if you dated?

The body determines your limits. You cant be a bird as much as you would like, you cant be a fish even if you believe it with all your heart. You cant even be a pro athlete. And you cant just be a women. Your body limits you all the time.

You can live your life with autism and pretend to accept a society that involuntarily tortures you, or you could go and say you're autistic and get bullied and duped your whole life for it. It's a lose-lose scenario. Guess what? The autist didn't choose to have the autisms. A trans person didn't choose to feel one gender or another. But they get shit no matter what they do and other people only care if it impacts them negatively. What happens inside someone's head is of nobody else's interest.

I wouldn't. It would just be easier to date a regular women.

Not who you asked, but no. What would be the point of something so obviously incompatible?

This reminds me. What happens when gene therapy and custom babies become a widespread reality? Wouldn't people just refuse to have babies with the trans gene.

>you can't just be a woman
Thanks to advances in science, you can be more and more womanlike at least.

If their personality, way of walking, way of speaking, etc. reflected a stereotypical man's, then possibly, but perhaps having a 10/10 body would mitigate those contradictions.

God, I feel so conflicted. Gender roles make me miserable and yet I expect them from everyone else.

I (try to) do what makes good, not just what makes me feel good. Strawman less.

>Gender roles make me miserable and yet I expect them from everyone else.
Then just take a huge breath and let it alllll go.

I used to be a proper TERF but then I just realised I was being an arsehole because I was desperately trying to find *any* way to not accept I was trans.

Accepting it was rough but I can't go back now.

You can be "women like" in the sense that you can exhibit sexual social characteristic of another sex. In that sense you could always be a "women" even 1000 years ago.

Gender disphoria is a disease and its okay to not want someone unhealthy.
It's okay to not like other races because humans have pack mentality and you're naturally going to want someone like yourself.
Just like it's okay not to be gay.

It's not uncommon for a man to say unequivocally that he would not date another man based off of his sexual orientation. Then sexual orientation can be used to exclude groups from sexual or romantic entanglements.

If somewhere along the line, you messed up so bad that you don't want to fulfill biological needs you're born with, you have fucked it all up and need to kill yourself like every other trans eventually will

But it's not like that. It's a 'let them eat cake' thing where I want to be given the respect men get for no fucking reason but also the expectations of incapability that people still have for women. I wouldn't like being a woman any more than a man though, because the social expectations of how you should act around yor friends and what your interests should be piss me off. E.g. I don't want to be more 'intimate' (as opposed to respectable, this is coming from a FtoM trans BTW), because I don't like touching people. These contradictory things; wanting people to back the fuck off but also to be friendly, is why I can't deal with people at all anymore. I'm completely intolerant to them because I can't predict them, and I only like them doing things magically when I think I want them to.

Seriously, have you ever actually encountered a baby?

There's a reason why nature had to make sex feel good. If it didn't, hardly anyone would have bothered making kids throughout history.

Meanwhile most women have a height requirement.

Oh.

I'm FtM too.

I can't stand the idea of being thought of as incapable. I actually can't imagine liking that idea. Most nof my feminism revolves around trying to shift that ideas into oblivion for both genders.

Okay, but only and I mean ONLY if I can use this same card on roasties who want a tall guy.

Real women have to dilate or it will fuse shut?

But now you have HRT, puberty blockers, genital surgery, etc.

I'm not FtM, I knew a FtM...The only special thing about me is my probable autism. Just your everyday boring white cisgender hetero biological male here...

Oh so I see a nine year old somehow got on Jow Forums.
You're either too young to understand or too ugly to have a partner so you're lying to yourself.

No, but it still requires a hell of a lot of attention. Cis women have clots of uterus wall dribble out uncontrollably 25% of the time.

Vaginas, cis or trans, are a fucking state.

>not being attracted to someone makes you a bigot

Oh. Well as someone who has seen both sides, having been viewed as a girl and as a man... being seen as incapable has some small upsides, but also very huge very real downsides. It sounds fun, but it ain't.

>Cis women have clots of uterus wall dribble out uncontrollably 25% of the time.
Right, but even though that stuff happens, it manages itself. You know, because it's a real vagina and not a glorified flesh wound.

I like natural pussy and I don't like dick or open wounds, that's my preference.

Being incapable means you don't have to do jack though. Being seen as capable means you have to figure out everything constantly and everyone is merciless if you're too brainlet/lanket/whatever to figure it out. Expectations are ridiculously high for men, even more so than for women.

It does not 'manage itself' - what the fuck? Periods are messy, painful, and require you to take hourly care to avoid either ruining your clothes or dying of toxic shock.

'Manage themselves' fucking lol

It's possible to fail harder as a man, sure - but it's very very very difficult to succeed as a woman.

So if you have an average to above average man and woman, the man will do (much) better. If they're anything below, the man will have a harder time.

Being a man is therefore much better for most people.

>Have you ever knowingly met a trans woman?
AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
this is the average trans man. It's pretty fucking obvious you mongoloid retard. It's literally just a man in a dress with a wig.

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Do real women have to dilate or would their vagina close shut because its actually an open gaping wound? Answer the question. Are trans vaginas not actually wounds that have to be manually keep open or else they close up? Answer the question.

They aren't wounds, no. They may have to dilate if they don't have a partner penetrate them for like six months or so, or if they get a partner with a considerably bigger dick. That's just because the skin is elastic and returns to a shape, though, not because it's a healing wound or anything.

It's impossible to be bigoted toward physical appearance

I work with an ex major in the army who just Grew his hair out and demanded you call him something different. No other changes. Can confirm

sure, I can add it to the laundry list of other reasons why I'm a bigot, including
>having a penis
>pale skin
>eating pb&j sammies
>drinking water

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No it isn't, a bigot calls someone ugly objectively, even if that objective reasoning is dependent on other factors.

>ruining your clothes or dying of toxic shock.
IF I PLUG THE HOLE UP IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE IT EVOLVED TO. CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS!

straight porn stars are fucking trannies now a days u should too lol

Look at this in the face and tell me being trans has nothing to do with mental Illness without doubting yourself.
You know it's not true but you're pushing your doubts away by screaming that it's not make believe

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I love these photos that humanize hitler. Even something simple like drinking water like a normal person conveys that he wasn't just some pure embodiment of evil, at least 24/7. I mean this became clear with the kangaroo courts and the "banality of evil" but the turbo plebs aren't aware of this.

And how, pray, is it *supposed* to work? Are women just supposed to ooze out clots of mucus and blood, dribbling down their legs and leaving stinky brown patches wherever they sit? Attracting flies and bacteria to an actual hole into their body?

Evpsch is a trip

I want to have kids one day, so no trans pls.

I'm just really happy seeing the replies to this shit bait because it's nice seeing that not everyone's been brainwashed by all the gay tranny propaganda.

It's okay to have a preference against trannies

To me that just looks like a woman, wouldnt have even known she was trans unless you said somthing.

Bait. Fake and gay. Kill yourself.

No, because your definition of average is almost surely skewed upwards like most peoples' are. Probably the majority of people you consider below average are in fact average. Also, failing harder is much worse than not succeeding hugely. Small continous successes are much more motivating than rare large ones.