I just read Ted K.'s manifesto

He used leftist very loosely and even mentioned that this may not be the best description in the manifesto. But yes, the extremists of today on the "left" do seem to be representatives of what he deems to be leftists. It is important to remember leftist can implicate the entire spectrum of political ideologies. Pretty much anyone that tries to seek control through extreme policing.

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ted kaczynski was correct, but he was too right and now i'm a jaded autist whose pride is too great to forego what he knows is right to live a happy life. there's literally no way an anti tech revolution could manifest itself in our society and pull it off

that said if someone were to start one i'd gladly give my life for the cause, regardless of the size. ted's in jail so we need a leader for acolytes of neo luddism to follow
anybody can read harry potter, the difference is you're reading shit with actual depth

Is it?
He always seemed to refer to blacks and Hispanics with loathsome tone whenever he brought them up.

No, no he didn't. He was very careful with how he described groups, and made sure to include disclaimers to why he used certain terms. I think he did use some descriptors no longer in vogue, but nothing to imply loathing.

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He may have used some terms that aren't PC by today's standards, but I don't remember him ever referring to non-whites with a malicious or spiteful narrative.
Ted was a lot of things, but I don't think he was racist.

He makes a lot of interesting and accurate predictions about leftists and rightists, and the effects of modern tech, but most of the luddite stuff is garbage.

>Ted should have realized that killing a few random scientists and engineers( and even a DM in a dungeon's and dragons club) wouldn't have really solved anything.

it got you to read his manifesto though, which was the main goal

If he never did that no one would have read his shit

There are several better alternatives he could have used to get his word out to the public.Bbut I guess scaring an entire nation for 2 decades as a mysterious killer was the best he could think of.

>There are several better alternatives he could have used to get his word out to the public

Like?

He regularly went to the library where there was free internet and computers. Use your imagination

Where's the link?
Was this guy the real unibomber? I forget what exactly happened, but I remember there was some controversy over who actually did it.

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yes, he was the real unabomber.
What kind of question is that????
They found his manifesto along with matching bomb materials he had used in past murders inside his shack out in the woods. They also found a pre-made, live bomb package he was planning on mailing to another victim.

Forget about fusion power, curing all diseases, space travel
Yes, let's all go back to chucking spears and dying of leprosy. How enlightening

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The singularity needs a power source. Once that's gone, no more AI.
There's no guarantee what it would destroy. I have sympathy towards most animals and I wouldn't wish them harm.

He would've loathed Drumpf, just so all of you Drumpfies know.

>Forget about fusion power, curing all diseases, space travel
Yes, let's all go back to chucking spears and dying of leprosy. How enlightening

Kike.

>I don't agree with or try to rationalize his murders, however. Being a genius, Ted should have realized that killing a few random scientists and engineers( and even a DM in a dungeon's and dragons club) wouldn't have really solved anything. He honestly should have just put his thoughts into books, and remained cut off from society instead of hurting innocent people.

IIRC he addresses this in there, if he'd just written a book and published it no one would have read it. You're only reading it now because it's the manifesto of the Unabomber.

not him but that's a really good argument, kill yourself

Can someone tl;dr what these "predictions that turned out to be right" are?

Check out Jacques Ellul's "The Technological Society" and "Propaganda"
He predate's Ted's work and offers a more scholarly vantage point of the same issue - namely the conflict between human freedom and technology.

This is probably the most relevant point of Uncle Ted's manifesto to attack. It's really difficult to live in the modern world and post on Jow Forums and think that technology is evil or a net negative. His argument relies on the idea that we'd be happier living without industry no matter the negatives of living that way.

That's where he loses me, at least. I don't think turning away from technology is a real option.

If you liked that, read The Culture of Narcissism by Christopher Lasch. Similar feels.

>innocent people
No one is innocent.

I can vouch for The Culture of Narcissism it's a great book. The True and Only Heaven while being longer is also worth checking out.

>Yes, let's all go back to chucking spears and dying of leprosy.
So a difficult life with meaning is worse than an easy one without? Do you even know what website you are browsing, dude?

Ted's paragraphs talking about the loss of freedom as a result of advanced technology made me think of what will eventually happen to Truckers when AI is advanced enough to actually autonomously operate vehicles.

They will probably rally to set up unions and laws to keep their jobs,for a short time, but eventually the powers that be will offer "compromises" until they eventually get what they want. Which would be an entire work force of obedient machines who don't need sleep, sick days or even a wage. Right now we are seeing the first stages of this, and inevitably all those red neck truckers will be out of work and consequently they will be treated like shit by the elite ruling class like the rest of us.

this is quite simply irrefutable

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How would life have meaning then as opposed to now? Nothing Ted writes makes any logical sense.

What he said made sense, but there were some problems I had with his logic. One major part of his argument was that depression wasn't as widespread in the past, because no record exists of depression. However, the lack of records on depression do not necessarily mean that depression was nonexistent. Back in the medieval days, no one bothered keeping records of some random peasant's feelings. Even if half the population was depressed, we wouldn't know because they didn't keep records on those type of things. Another flaw in his reasoning is that he doesnt address a lot of the issues with pre-industrial revolution society. It would be incredibly difficult to enforce the law without the communication infrastructure we have today, so people would be more or less at the mercy of bandits, unless they had the means to defend themselves. Local law enforcement would solve this to an extent. However, individual crimes would still be very difficult to prove and punish. Many people would be falsely punished for crimes they didn't commit, and others would walk free after committing heinous crimes. I'm not even going to get into how much of a boon modern medicine was to humanity. Even if the majority of society could be convinced to gove up their technology, if even a few people kept technology, they could rule over the primitive masses. However, a lot of his text did make a lot of sense. I would like to try a technology-free lifestyle for a few months, to see how it impacts me. I believe that it would be impossible to convince society as a whole to give up technology, but for now, it isn't impossible for individuals to live tech-free lives, falling back on industrial society when they are in need of it.

Disregarding the meaning argument being thrown around,Ted's criticisms are still valid criticisms of the progression of society. His manifesto wasn't even revolutionary, many contemporary writers formed the same ideas to an even greater extent. Whether or not you agree with him is one thing, but to say it makes no sense isn't true. His ideas behind reverting society to simpler technological times is flawed though.

Leftists can be anyone. Its not a confirmation of your political ideology mate.

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One thing I think that was illuminating in Ellul's work was that the "Elites" are, by and large, just as disposal, constrained and replaceable in a technological system as your regular joe. The danger of technology is that the "technique" dictates the choices available and ultimately displaces any human agency. Modern society becomes "committed to the quest of continually improved means to carelessly examined ends". Eventually the whole structure of society implies the advancement of technology by necessity. The more we mobilize nature the more we must mobilize men.

You're wrong. I read it and he didn't seem racist, just fed up with political correctness.
I felt pretty much the same thing as you wrote, but I think he should have said "authoritarians" instead of "leftist".

It also was a warning about sophisticated spying technologies that the govt and police use to circumvent any currents rights you have to impose their power and authority over the average man.

Similar to the leaks Snowden provided after he blew the whistle on the NSA.

But there really is no imposing or circumvention taking place during and after Teds time. Most people are willing to go along with what occurs in their society. Ted wanted a revolution before all people became complacent with the status quo and definitely before those that could fight back were too isolated and beaten down.

He is opposed to anything after the agricultural revolution. Of course depression existed in the middle ages and crime was rampant, but that is all after the agricultural revolution. Ted's ideal was hunter gatherer society.

Read Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How next. It's a lot better than ISAIF in my opinion.

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>Being a genius, Ted should have realized that killing a few random scientists and engineers( and even a DM in a dungeon's and dragons club) wouldn't have really solved anything. He honestly should have just put his thoughts into books, and remained cut off from society instead of hurting innocent people.
If he did that, no one would read any of his writings. His bombings were essentially a big advertising campaign for ISAIF.

>As for our constitutional rights, consider for example that of freedom of the press. We certainly don't mean to knock that right; it is very important tool for limiting concentration of political power and for keeping those who do have political power in line by publicly exposing any misbehavior on their part. But freedom of the press is of very little use to the average citizen as an individual. The mass media are mostly under the control of large organizations that are integrated into the system. Anyone who has a little money can have something printed, or can distribute it on the Internet or in some such way, but what he has to say will be swamped by the vast volume of material put out by the media, hence it will have no practical effect. To make an impression on society with words is therefore almost impossible for most individuals and small groups. Take us (FC) for example. If we had never done anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher, they probably would not have been accepted. If they had been been accepted and published, they probably would not have attracted many readers, because it's more fun to watch the entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay. Even if these writings had had many readers, most of these readers would soon have forgotten what they had read as their minds were flooded by the mass of material to which the media expose them. In order to get our message before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression, we've had to kill people.

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there are millions of manifestos on the internet

but you remember his
and elliot's
and others like theirs, because they did something to external, to draw attention to their manifestos

(I am in no way implying elliot's "manifesto" is near the same level as Ted's)

Technological Society and Its Future is my favorite book, but I disagree that humans can ever stay in our natural, hunter gatherer state. Our propensity to make new technologies is too strong for us to ever stay in the same place forever. We are intrinsically inventive and we should never have existed in the first place. Nature has created a creature separate from itself that is capable of destroying all other aspects of it. We are nature's mistake.

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I guess you're right.

If Ted wasn't a celebrity, and this was before the age of YT. This was probably the best way he could get his word out.

But why did he have to crank up the attacks and straight up kill people...? IIRC his first bombings weren't even that deadly and all of his victims survived but he was placed on the FBI's most wanted list almost immediately.

>Technological Society and Its Future
It's called INDUSTRIAL Society And Its Future you tard

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>But there really is no imposing or circumvention taking place during and after Teds time
Are you kidding?

It happens all the fucking time. By "circumvention" I was referring to Ted's paragraphs talking about how the police and govt abuse loopholes to get around your rights so they can do what they want and detain you without any real reason to.

Ted was not wholly sane

MKultra is to be blamed for that

(now i'm on another watchlist)

imagine overreacting this hard

I don't buy into the whole MKultra thing, but Ted was clearly not as demented as the media says he was so who tf knows.

Im so tired of the mkultra meme. He just took some multiple choice tests and shit they never expirimented on him or did any weird stuff.

Do you have a source?
I would like to know whether I am spreading false info.

I see it that there is no "real" circumvention or imposing as most people are willing to forego their rights. You can't willingly be imposed upon, you are just willing. Both still happen of course. I guess its more of a semantic thing that is making it difficult to convey.
What he did wasn't even close to being insane. Radical, to some extent. But he wasn't really crazy.

Ted was not insane, I believe he was shaken. He had reasons for doing what he did, but may have had a more precious view of human life, had he not been experimented on.

There is an archived threat somewhere that had a fucking massive amount of information someone compiled from all his letters and he talked about the mkultra stuff a little bit and said it wasnt anything crazy just tests.

Interesting, I haven't had a chance to go through his letters, I'll take a look. To be more specific though, I realize it was never confirmed that he was in mkultra. Secondary sources are relatively consistent on the nature of the experiment, and it was a bit rougher than some multiple choice tests. Again, I haven't had a chance to read Ted's letters, but it may be possible that he downplayed the experiment, because he didn't want to admit how much it (another person) affected him.

Ted confirmed that it happened but yeah iirc he said it was no big deal. I specifically remember a part where he talked about having his ideology previous to the mkultra thing and that people claiming the CIA inadvertently caused it were wrong. I had the thought as well that he could be downplaying it, but i have a feeling he would have gone off about it in a letter if it really was traumatizing stuff. I think people just want an easy explanation and that's kind of a weird thing that sticks out.

Get off my board, twelvie

he was infact right about everything

>we should never have existed in the first place. Nature has created a creature separate from itself that is capable of destroying all other aspects of it
yes

You'll probably be less impressed by his ideas as time goes on, only if you are actually thinking about it. I still respect him but the truth is that artificial intelligence will be vastly superior to humans and they will decide that the most efficient decision will be to kill every human on earth. He said himself societal progression isn't easily altered.

What he meant by "leftist" seems to describe "social justice warrior," which probably wasn't an existing term when Kaczynski was writing his manifesto.

Also the Jow Forumstards cumming their pants yelping "YASS, DADDY TED, GET THOSE LEFTISTS" are all brainlets and likely didn't read the manifestos. Ted dissed traditionalist conservatives too, and he calls you guys retarded when you write him desperate letters hoping that he agrees with your views on current events.

>Nature has created a creature separate from itself that is capable of destroying all other aspects of it. We are nature's mistake.

We ARE nature bitch. We're not nature's mistake, we're nature's most impressive creation. Humans are just amazing at everything, both good and bad. Compared to other species anyway.

He's an incredibly interesting guy to read about, and I can sympathize with his decision to radicalize. He just wanted to be left alone, and he couldn't even have that. I don't agree with his decision and I don't like his solutions, but I have a grudging respect for his assessments.

I think he's got a lot of appeal for 20somethings that bother to read his works. He is someone who had convictions, and went to real lengths to forward them. Not a lot of of people can claim they do the same thing.

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>It is important to remember leftist can implicate the entire spectrum of political ideologies
No, it can't.

>if you want to take the moral high road by laying down in front of a tank to stop violence then you're a a masochist

He doesn't get the point of wanting tolerance and equality. He uses the word (((good))) like a retard too. Why would someone pay attention to this cunt that can't into the point of progressive ethics? It's to strive towards essentially being nice. SJW are hyper vigilant is their problem though, and so was he for being a killer. They're not masochists anymore than he is Satan. Both parties are retarded when extremists. He thinks that they'd invent a problem yet there was no one doing shit to him when he ran around attacking people as though he was a part of a hivemind that would democratically stop 'leftist' behavior.

Him hating hyper vigilant people is far too ironic for me to consider him self aware. He's correct that extremists are delusional cunts but he is one too but of a worse intensity. Who wants to be around someone that's too autistic to stop calling people niggers because he can't stand polite people, regardless as to weather or not he's correct his shit stinks too.

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whether*

I'm still rolling my eyes at his petulant
>they like pain anyway
coping mechanism to attack leftists.

The closed minded cunts of the world, I swear.

The man was a schizophrenic lunatic and his writings were run of the mill radical luddite technobabble. Its not a coincidence all serious philosophers before and since don't take him or his juvenile ideas seriously.

He developed his philosophy because he was bitter that his brother fired him for sexually assaulting a work colleague.

have a good day, CIA

Something I have felt for the longest time is the stress that comes the high population density of the modern world. Ted recognized this, and he elaborated on how technology adds to this stress by limiting our freedom. Everywhere you go there are roads and traffic barring your way. Outside of the cities all the land is stripped barren by wageslave farmers working to feed the massive population. You can't just drop out and not participate, it's not an option, this society imposes itself on the entire world and there is no way you can escape from it. So what is the big deal with killing a few people? It's not an agression, it's an act of self-defense.

I can see you got very upset by his remarks. I wonder why...

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