I dont understand the incel mentality. What are the unchangeable, specific physical (or mental) traits that you think prevents getting a girl? Ive seen plenty of ugly/short dudes get laid, maybe not with the hot girls, but definitely by women in their league.
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The short fat dudes that get laid are not nearly as insecure as incels. I have accepted that I will never get laid but I don't hate/blame women for it.
Got to improve my social skills before I approach anyone
Hats off for giving sauce.
You have to understand: Inceldom is, at least from what I can see, the absolute peak of the idea of an inferiority complex. Incels are 100% CERTAIN that it is something unchangeable about them, so they don't even try. They'll throw out lines like "muh genetics" and "80/20 rule", because it shifts the blame off of them. They're not responsible for their own lack of trying, it's their life circumstances. It is inferiority forced outward, they can't because it was never meant for them. They think they're square pegs trying to fit into round holes.
At some point youll have to take that plunge and talk to girls. The longer you wait the more youll build it up in your mind as scary, which it really isnt.
Its like public speaking, everyone naturally fears it and the only way to get good at it is to do it. We just see the best people at it and think how easy it must be for them without seeing what they went through to be the best
I don't understand them either, mainly because they realize the problems with society, but they simply are angry that they are not the ones in Chad's place. They're basically just jealous proles rather than the revolutionaries they claim to be. A revolution would see them reverse the system rather than abolish it.
I don't excuse the way things are, but incels are simply the other side of the same coin.
It's easier to blame other people than to admit to yourself that you may play some role in your own situation and need to take responsibility for what you do with the hand you were dealt, even if that hand was a shitty one.
I just have this deep rooted hatred of myself. I think it came from being bullied as a young child. I hate myself with the force of a thousands suns and whenever I imagine myself having sex with a woman I like I just think of it like I would be disgracing her. I wouldn't want to taint her like that. I wouldn't want to stick my filthy dick inside a woman I love. I'm not worth it and she's definitely worth more.
personally I don't hate women or anything. I don't really understand women hate. my friends that get laid are the ones who hate women lol.
While I can't really speak for incels. It's probably because women act like rabbits with brain damage.
It's annoying as shit to be around them and generally not worth it.
You improve your social skills by approaching people.
So you're not allowed to be angry that people treat you differently because of something you were born with, simply because you can make choices about your life in some ways? I find this thinking erroneous.
For example, a man who is 5'7" or under is not allowed to donate sperm. This is a clear example of discrimination, and yet according to you, short men are not allowed to be angry about this.
Sorry to hear man.
Im sure youve heard this before but you might wanna see a therapist. And also r9k is probably not going to help you feel better
I'm not white or black. That automatically disqualifies me.
why do people care about getting laid after 100 years of feminism in the first place? women can destroy your life 10 years later with a simple twitter accusation and no due process.
I think its more that incels tend to emphasize the impact that physical characteristics have on them to the extreme. There are tons of successful short and ugly men. Maybe it does give you a slight disadvantage, but not to the extent incels would have you believe
>What are the unchangeable, specific physical (or mental) traits that you think prevents getting a girl?
Competition from other men, usually. Women are basically employers, while men are the applicants to whatever job they're offering. Only a select few make it through.
>Ive seen plenty of ugly/short dudes get laid, maybe not with the hot girls, but definitely by women in their league.
And I've seen many attractive guys fail to get a date completely for the reasons above.
Perfectly put. Too bad incels always ignore truthful posts like this or rage in denial.
Disgusting body acne and keratosis pilaris. I've been on 3 different 8-month rounds of accutane. It fucked up my bladder and now I wake up every 3 hours every single night even if I didn't drink water for 6 hours prior. And I still can't wear a wifebeater (not that I'd want to but still), let alone take my whole shirt off in a bedroom.
>They're not responsible for their own lack of trying, it's their life circumstances.
that's often the case for depressive disorders
>a man who is 5'7" is or under is not allowed to donate sperm
This is a meme. It was literally one small clinic.
Men and women are in equal number. How can it be true that all women get dates while few men do? You literally said this.
I can get laid, I've got a big dick but no girl wants to date me. I could go around sleeping with heaps of women but I want a family.
wrong. there are more men than women. because for centuries men would die from war, or just from hunting accidents back in the tribal days. now there are too many men and not enough women. supply and demand. men are in huge supply and fairly low in demand, so price (the required SMV of men) goes up.
you're trying to bring math into this where it's not really relevant. taken to the extreme, it would be 3 billion woman all sharing 1 ultra chad
>i dont understand people that can't get laid
>what's wrong with your looks
>just date someone in your league quasi motto
You sound like a douchebag teenager that doesn't get laid either. Sounds like you have a long and sexless decade ahead of you in your 20's
The difference is minimal. There is no huge supply of men vs women. You are a retard and liar. Like all incels.
Incels are pretty normal looking, a few even good looking. OP is right and you are too chickenshit scared to admit it.
I'm not an incel. for one.
also when we're talking about a population of ~800 million IIRC a 1% difference is 8 million more men. that really doesn't sound minimal to me.
If the difference were 1% then it would mean 1% of men will not get women. Not 80%.
>What are the unchangeable, specific physical (or mental) traits that you think prevents getting a girl?
1) not having a lot of money, or being clearly unwilling to waste it on her futile shit like travels, dinners, gifts
2) not owning a large comfy house
3) not having a steady income of at least 100k / year
4) not having six figure banksavings
I never claimed it was 80%
and yes. 1% of men do not get women. actually I think it's 3%? it might have been seven but I'm pretty sure it's 3%
Equal numbering does not mean equal distribution. A lot of it is because of simple marketism, where while there might a lot of goods and resources out there, sometimes in "equal" number, their values are always going to differ and go are all over the place; with demand repeatedly skewing, and adjusting, everything in favour of a select few desirables. There's a lot of jobs out there, for example. But many people aren't going to be able to have one; and some go their entire lives without ever finding work. There's also the fact that most men don't make it alive before they can find love and pass down their genes. Usually through factors like murder, as men are the majority of victims AND perpetrators of said crime. Or workplace-related deaths, as jobs with safety risks (ex.: construction) are almost always men. Or the fact that wars are almost never fought by women. And how men are always expected to take the first steps forward when striving for certain goals, which only increases the likelihood of failure; where as women are rarely expected to do much. And there's also shit like this:
>psmag.com
5) only being willing to date a virgin woman
Afraid to admit what? Women are gold diggers. They're only interested in
1. chads
2. money
3. drug dealers
When you see them with an ugly guy, it's because he's got money or he's a drug connection. Sometimes it's a guy they started dating in high school that they cheat on once in a while and just don't break up with them because she doesn't have a valid excuse or a better guy to monkey swing branches to like the before mentioned 3 types they're into.
the same reasons why a small percentage of the world's population has half of the wealth
>You are a retard and liar. Like all incels.
Ad hominem, muh dude.
because you guys keep going for the same women over-and-over again, and ignoring the rest. women get swamped with up to 20 guys a day trying to hit on them. it's not very attractive, but eventually one of them steals your heart, while the others get turned away.
if you think that the reason incels fail with women is because they only go after the most attractive you literally have brain damage.
>be a Male
>have avoidant and/or abusive parents
>get treated like shit by bullies and feel like you cant do anything or else get in trouble
>feel like a lonely outcast for the rest of your adolescent life , never to learn anything much about how your society works
>flashforward to adulthood
>as a Male, you want to mate with the opposite gender
>society says you cant because you're "too weird " because you have obscure and "nerdy" interest, you're a misogynist, look like a guy that'll shoot up a school, too much "toxic masculinity " , no experience with women in your teens, little to no friends, no hobbies that involve being extroverted , and don't have six pack abs
>rejected by society you crawl back to your small space st home
>"how can you not get laid? So ez guise "
Normie....
you men do keep going after the same girls, and ignore the rest. if the 80/20 rule is true, then it is here.
Many of these short and ugly men were born into wealth, or had to put their nose to the grindstone to be considered near equal footing with tall and attractive people. Time is something else to consider. The women demanding tall men is a relatively new thing, as are many things incels complain of. Many of these beliefs and practices didn't exist before 2010, possibly even 2014 or 2015. So, many of these ugly and short men that are successful were simply born in a time where it didn't matter so much. Now, it does matter.
To be quite honest about my personal beliefs on the whole dating thing, I think these days it's just a waste of time for anyone who wants more than indulging in base sexual perversions, and good luck even trying to remain chaste until marriage these days, that marriage is never going to come.
I'm honestly more concerned with people who will have career or even legal trouble because of the way they were born, as employers also seem to care about these traits to some extent, especially if they specialize in having face to face customer interactions. And as we are all well aware of by now, women these days have a penchant for accusing men of rape for any perceived slight, so long as they are not attractive enough.
Some basic googling would suggest otherwise. The lowest they go is 5'8", but generally no higher than 5'9" as a baseline.
>Incels are 100% CERTAIN that it is something unchangeable about the society in general, so they don't even try.
ftfy
Your axe wound is stinking again
While it is true that incels project their own failed past on their not yet failing future, it's also true that the sexual revolution (started three generations ago in 1960's and still going on by the likes of Tinder and #MeToo) literally destroyed real standards (responsibility, virginity, loyalty...).
That revolution could be definitely stopped if the men eligible to settle with (like these ones: ) reject non-virgin females, even if 10/10. (Allowing females to settle after wasting own virginity outside marriage just made them think they can have their cake and eat it too.)
That is, either she chooses the Loyal Wife way (aka a good life), or she chooses the Whore way (aka cock carousel riding followed by a shitty life).
That's why MGTOW is a fuckin' good thing, because it literally reverses the worst trend.
Incels by definition will waste their own life and assets as soon as some blatantly destroyed vagene allows their puny peneor to get wet. Thus incels deserve to be destroyed because they're no more than a fuckin' byproduct of that revolution.
Because after wasting themselves with porn and fapping since early puberty, they think they have the right to be choosy.
everyone has the right to be choosy, and is entitled to it. it's just that some people are viewed as more valuable, while the others are neglected.
Honestly, as my experience as a Cyborg, I wouldn't blame too much on things about myself that cant change or blame women for going for Chad, I know that something needs to be done about my self esteem and point of view of life. But it doesn't change the fact that women of today either want to fuck as many guys as they can until their cock carousel ends or high maintenance that wants Brad as a boyfriend and acts like a total snob. Sure, it's not all girls, but it's rare and a small minority. Do you know who also are a small minority? Male virgins and incels. Were not special snowflakes but we are definitely not normal people compared to the rest. There a many factors to which why robots cant fit into society.
That's the point. I'm not short and not really ugly I think but I want to fuck hot women too, not women 'in my league'
mentally ill?
come join
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come join a chill discord for mentally ill people
The 80/20 meme is just that, a meme. Incels are less than 0.1% of men.
>At some point youll have to take that plunge and talk to girls.
No, they don't.
Can you just go back to Jow Forumsinceltears and go back to window "browsing" this place ironically?
If a man rejects a woman because she is not a virgin he is a volcel. Actually, incels don't even exist. They're all volcels.
I don't know what it is but it defenitely exists.
Im currently in law school so all of the few friends i have are turbo-normies and hearing them talk about girls is bizzare.
It's hard to explain why but the casual way they talk about girls they've fucked, or that liked them just makes me feel so disconnected.
Women exist and they have sex.
Is the thought that comes to mind, and somehow i have a hard time beliving it.
im not attracted to unattractive women, just like they aren't attracted to me. i want a big strong man to fuck me in the ass instead.
the girl in the comic is actually looking at Chad sitting on your right
>Incels are less than 0.1% of men.
1). [citation needed]
2). That's a #NotAllMen argument.
By that logic, transgender/transexuality don't exist.
>At some point youll have to take that plunge and talk to girls.
every time I do, I wind up with sexual harassment accusations. I'm already up to 9.
incels are at the very least, 20% of all men. And I'm using the traditional definition of the word, not the 'im not incel cause [im not alt-right] or [im not desperate i promise] or [i respect women], [i am a feminist] yadayada wank.
you are incel if you cannot get laid. period.
I think the funniest part about "incel" is that it was woman who invented the word.
Wut? Trannies do exist. Involuntary celibates do not because it is not possible to be involuntarily celibate.
>20% of men never get laid
That's the most retarded thing I have ever read. About 1% of men die virgins. And that number includes asexuals and volcels who far outnumber incels. In fact maybe you can't even be an incel after 30 or so because you grow out of it eventually.
Incels exist because women can reject.
Volcels just have high standards.
Trannies are mentally ill faggots.
You wrongly think women are all waiting for someone starting a conversation. "OMG he chose me! I'm flattered. Let's see if his talk leads to a date".
That's badly mistakenly wrongly errorly wrong.
You just have to reverse the fuckin' roles. Make them chase you. Just ignore them, and build up the man they would literally chase: be fit, be rich, be a status symbol. Women will flock at you as soon as they think you're a status symbol, just like Chad is.
"OMG every female in this place is having sex with Chad, I *must* have as well!" sooner or later becomes "OMG every female in this place wants to date user"...
>it is not possible to be involuntarily celibate
There's an entire group claiming otherwise. To suggest contrarily would be like telling trans. that what they consider about themselves is utterly nonexistent.
>die virgins
Why do you think this is applicable to the 20-30/yos who are the forefront of this new phenomena?
>You just have to reverse the fuckin' roles. Make them chase you. Just ignore them, and build up the man they would literally chase: be fit, be rich, be a status symbol. Women will flock at you as soon as they think you're a status symbol, just like Chad is.
>"
does not, and has not, ever worked for me.
t. 38y/o virgin
Incels do not exist because it is impossible to want sex and not get it.
What new phenomena? Incels are dying out, getting laid is easier than ever.
Worst bait i've seen in my entire original lifetime
there's an entire group of people claiming the earth is flat
It's the truth and you know it, don't deny
>ugly/short
So a 6-foot Chad who has a couple pimples on his face? Whats sadder than anything is your anecdotal copeposting m80
BECAUSE ALL WOMEN ARE SLUTS YOU FUCKING RETARD WHATS THE POINT OF GETTING LAID AT ALL IF THEY WONT COMMIT AND CHASE THE NEXT CHADS
loool, with hookers maybe.
Literally incorrect. Male sexlessness is skyrocketing.
Nope, less people are getting laid.
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- livescience.com
Irrelevant, and a nonsequitur.
Literally false. Celibacy is increasing for both males and females. This is of course voluntary celibacy, incels are dying out fast since anyone can get sex if they want to.
>Make them chase you
I am now thoroughly convinced you have never actually interacted with a human female irl. Nothing you say or do can convince me otherwise.
just like incels eh
>Celibacy is increasing for both males and females
Even were this true, which it is not, it still does not refute the original post I made. In fact it does the opposite.
Again, a nonsequitur.
Because they choose not to. There are far more and easier options now that ever before in human history. Every single self-identifying "incel" could as well. This is literally explained in OP and you are just proving the point.
>incels are dying out fast since anyone can get sex if they want to
they clearly can't, otherwise inceldom wouldn't be a thing in the first place.
How is it not true? People have less sexual partners and lose their virginity later.
>Because they choose not to.
This is just an assumption youre making, you havent provided a lick of evidence for it
are you one of those people that claim incels don't exist because they could rape a chick?
They can but they don't try and make excuses and then lie about it
>How is it not true
Because it isnt. I dont know what to tell you, man. Male virginity is rising at an alarming rate and female virginity is basically constant.
>Because they choose not to.
that's the same argument people used against my sister when she was raped.
>There are far more and easier options now that ever before in human history.
statistics say otherwise. plus, this is like a white guy explaining that blacks have it easier than ever both.
>Every single self-identifying "incel" could as well.
they clearly can't, otherwise this issue wouldn't have existed at all.
are you one of those people that claim incels exist because a 10/10 loving virgin has not magically appeared in your basement?
Stats show otherwise. Post a source for your claim.
>There are far more and easier options now that ever before in human history.
Just because tinder exists, doesn't mean getting sex is " easier " .
again, that's victim-blaming logic people used against my sister after her assault.
>Y-y-youre just choosing not to have sex!!!
>Um, no. It isnt a choice
>REEEEEEEEEE YES IT IS NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE LIFE EXPERIENCES DIFFERENT THAN MY OWN
When did you realize normans are actually, literally not sentient
See . Also, Japan.
Dating is fun, but when the girl is a nice person (most women in my experience). Women arent evil. Theres also bad people that have exploited rape allegations for profit and hopefully there will be some justice for that. But its definitely not representative of most women.
Its fair that some short and ugly men are born into wealth, but so are attractive men. It would be ridiculous to blindly assume that inheritance is the way the majority of ugly men become successful
ifstudies.org
Of course they try to spin it but the data are undeniable. Youre lucky I did your fucking homework for you.
That incel blog has been posted a million times, it's completely made up. The guy literally made a fake graph and posted it.
Those links show both males and females have less sex. Also in Japan.
Douchebag early 20s actually. I do get laid occasionally
This springs to mind: nytimes.com
>Stats show otherwise.
[citation needed]