If god really exist, then why he make bad thing happen? God bad man if he have so much power and make thing happen!

I agree with you that christianity is false, but I disagree with you on why. Just because something seems bad to you (ie, wicked people go to heaven if they're christian and righteous ones go to hell if they're not) doesn't mean it's not true. If your mom was murdered, would you refuse to believe it happened because you thought it was too cruel of a reality to face?

Read my first point mate

Also Paul strongly implies that Jesus would return in his life time which never happened which means he failed the test of a prophet in Deutronomy 18

Jesus didn't return Christianity should've died 2000 years ago

Also the notion of God loving the world is refuted by Calvinism/reformed theology found in Protestantism so yes if something is evil that could disprove it but I agree that this isn't always the case

Hey retard, in Christianity you go to heaven for believing in Christ regardless of sins.

Yeah, your first point makes sense. God does love the world, though. It says that over and over in the bible. Hell, John 3:16, the first verse I was taught as a child (which I still remember despite not being religious anymore) clearly says that God loves the world.

>>believing hedonistic selfish Stacy will go to heaven simply because she beleives that God came to earth in the form of a Jew to tell everyone he's cool with you being a cancer as long you accept he died on a pole in a blood sacrifice for you
pr*tties aren't christians

>>meanwhile some South East Asian rice farmer who supports his community with food and gives to the poor will roast in fire because the cancer that is your religion didn't spread to his peaceful area
no

your holey book can't even decide which is the path to heaven

That's my fucking point

>God loves the world
>oh yeah but you can burn in hell because fuck you lol

Doesn't make any sense. If you wouldn't damn someone for eternity because of what their ancestors did your instantly more loving than the Christian God

Based and orthodox pilled

Protestants are not even human if they're Christian or not is another thing

idk is this supposed to be contradictory or something? It seems pretty clear to me what's being gotten at in those passages.
>being a good person alone isn't enough
>having faith alone isn't enough
>you need to be a good person AND have faith together

>stands up and walks over to you
>punches you in the face
>sips monster
>gods busy helping our troops in Afghanistan

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>tfw believe for sure in god but feel worse than if you didnt

The primary suffering of Hell is loneliness, user. It's characterized by rejection of God, something you have to choose to do. You can only go there by choice.

My faith really started decaying when I would pray for my useless fucking sister to change and she never does. It's painful watching someone walk down the path of self destruction.

>Uses le ebin NPC meme to represent a stereotypical atheist when the purpose of the meme in the 1st place was to make fun of people who follow things mindlessly
>Somehow being an atheist makes you a follower despite the fact that most people on the planet believe in some sort of god
>Implying atheism wouldn't be considered a form of edgy contrarianism by christfags
Why do they do this bros?

>the jewish god cares about nonjews
The gentile truly are cattle

The thing is, the christian god is all-knowing. Just because something seems messed up to us, doesn't make it wrong. It's like how little kids want to run into traffic, but their parents see the danger and stop them. According to Christianity, everything Yahweh does is perfect, and we just don't understand it. It's actually a pretty smart move on the part of the people who came up with judeo-christian mythology. On a tangential note, this is why I feel as though most "christians" nowdays aren't real christians. They think they can just ignore the parts of the bible that they don't like, like the parts where homosexuality is classified as a sin, or the parts where women re prohibited from teaching, or the parts where Paul tells slaves to obey their masters. If modern day christians truly had faith in yahweh, they would realize that all scrpiture (at least the set of laws in the new testament) must be obeyed, because it was written by a god who knows more than they could possibly understand.

Define "rejection of God"

It seems clear enough to me, user. I don't feel like arguing semantics and pedantry though, so if googling a dictionary definition of rejection really is too much work for you then there's not much talk about.

How can you reject an invisible god that conceals himself? How is it benevolent when his system of salvation and hide and seek game will damn more souls than its saves.

Fucking chrustian trying to fail at logic

You know about him now, don't you? If you didn't know about him, then you wouldn't be able to reject or accept him, and what happens then has been debated for some hundreds of years at this point (go to limbo, find out after death and reject/accept then, etc.)

are church girls as slutty as the memes say? im thinking about going to church and trying to meet people there since i have no friends.

>you need to be a good person solely because it is good to do so, not because of hopes of heaven or bragging about how good you are
>you are not a good person just because you believe in god
>if you believe in god and use that belief to help remind you that being good is its own reward

Just tell me if you beleive youre saved by faith alone or not then you fucking brainlet(or you're just trying to dogs the question)

What if there's a Muslim whose very spiritual and follows the laws of the Islam (they're quite similar to Christianity anyway) but doesn't beleive Jesus is just a prophet and didn't die for his sins? Is there a chance he would go to heaven?

Fair enough but I'm sure the true God(not this demon called Yahweh whose LARPing as Enki the Sumerian deity with a mix of Zoroastrianism from the Babylonian exile) values intellectual honesty rather than blind following because "he's just perfect okay so go burn lol"

>are church girls as slutty as the memes say?
No. The least religious ones who just go to church because they're used to it but don't care about doctrine are the same as your average f*moid. The more traditional ones are, of course, non-slutty/celibate(rare).

>NPC zoomers still think christians take every word written in the bible as literal just because muslims do the same with their holy book
We never did that, brainlets

If god exists who made god

If someone is trying to argue with you by asking you define widely used and well known words then they're definitely a pedant trying to start a nitpicking fight and I don't see the point in enabling that. But it looks like you meant to respond to someone else's post instead and got too angry and distracted.

It seems pretty clear that the passages in the comic posted earlier indicate that you need to have faith AND be a good person though.

god has always been user

God is the prime source of actuality. It's like asking if water makes things wet, then what made water wet? Water is the source of wetness.

>mental gymnastics because they can't defend their holey book

no wonder you kept it in an obscure language for so long. people would've laughed at your asses if they read it.

'prove it
everything has a cause but God because??? reeee

>everything is wet because of liquids but liquids are wet because??? reeeeeee
calm yourself user, you're getting out of hand here.

If god just is then why can't the universe just be?

You're the one attaching logic to God, God does not follow our laws.

Everything is in constant motion of with each other and everything has potential to move although some of it is wasted.

There has to be an unmoved mover that is pure act and no wasted potential.

Pure act and wasted potential means all knowing because not knowing is wasted potential same with imperfections etc.

>widely used
Exactly I don't see what's wrong with trying to find what you define as a word instead of assuming what you meant by that word. I'm sure you're aware of the appeal to definition falacy.

>nitpicking fight
So trying to learn what you specifically beleive is 'nitpicking'

>faith AND be a good person though.
Thank you

>god dosn exisd
>why
...
>me be degenerate no feel bad

God is the argument that requires the onus of proof, not the absence of god

The universe is composed of things that exist that could contain potentiality and actuality. Things that exist and have both potentiality and actuality need to be moved from potentiality to actuality by a source of actuality. It's like how a ball can be sitting on a counter, and could potentially fall on the floor, but needs to pushed there by something to actually fall on the floor. If every potentiality requires an actuality because it can't push itself into actuality, then there has to be some source of "actuality itself" or "prime actuality" that starts the whole chain of events and contains no potentiality.

Just like things that are contacted by a liquid become wet but liquids themselves are not "made wet" by anything else because they are the source of wetness.

So why can't that argument be applied to god?

Fucking imbecile, the Book is literally just about that except for the parts with Historic notes and ancestry.

>So why can't that argument be applied to water?
Yes, what made water wet? Hmm.

How could a mechanism as complex as a God arise from nothing? He's not the prime source of anything, that is just a faggot ass theory perpetuated by some scholars who didn't know anything. The lower lifeforms give rise to the higher, the more complex machines begin by the smaller parts being added to one another, etc. Stop being a dick and read an actual book sometime. At least skim one lol. In the beginning there was pure energy that swirled around and created God. It's not the whole story but it's better than your half-assed theory that came from logicians torturing themselves over what's what and what isn't, as if that would lead anywhere.

>Stop being a dick
There's literally nothing rude in my post, you're just being overly sensitive about people disagreeing with you and explaining why.

It's colloquial using. It means you're stupid, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and namedrop one thing. The Urantia Book. Read up if you want to remain caged in your doubts about God, because they don't fit into your neat little tidy box of concepts.

You're clearly not interested in having a real discussion about this so I don't see the point in continuing it with you.

As an aside, what's your native language?

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what? No, if god is a prime actuality why can't the universe be its own prime actuality. I'm not going to pretend to understand what's out there, but god seems entirely unnecessary.

Because it contains potentiality, which by definition means it can't be the prime actuality.

What about fireworks?

>Urantia Book.
Give me a quick rundown?

The Wikipedia page I read a while ago told me nothing also found some weird YouTube videos that didn't teach me anything.

I don't care about discussions because they suck. Why agree to disagree when we can agree to shit on one another for fun and kicks?

I'm a native English speaker, and I meant remain caged in your doubts with which you feel the need to express in your neat little tidy box of theology. Better, ne?

If you're feeling like calling me out for my colloquialisms, note that I don't care if they are popular or not. I am just reading into the subtext when I see it pop up in conversation. DICK is a challenge to your authority; it's merely a silly word to make you look foolish. That's all I see in it.

What about original them?

Inner voice is literally God, schizophrenia is the norm for shamans from every culture on this planet. You'd have to be an NPC to be an atheist in this world.

>Be immortal
>Create an ecosystem that is billions of years old and billions of light years wide
>Have tiny speck of dust on another tiny speck of dust who's existence will impact nothing of value tell you how to manage your creation.

Just read it, 'cause I don't really know. I haven't studied it thoroughly like it was meant to be studied. It's a book of theology that explains the nature of God, the structure of the universe, and our relation to Deity. The foreward is where most people get stuck on I imagine. Just try to power through and get the "gist" of it, and move on. It will become clear as you move forward, I believe. And even if it doesn't you'll probably get something out of it. Most of it is a lot simpler to read than the obfuscating explanations in the foreward. I believe in you user. You can do it.

Grats OP. You solved the thousands of years old problem of evil, and all you had to do was misuse two memes by combining them and using them on an irrelevant subject. Truly a philosopher king.

yea but you're not following the bible and change it to fit modern morals. christian morals aren't modern at all. you can't just change the bible and say "ok now this is how it is"
your religion isn't reality, muslims are worse though, and are one of the biggest evils. fedoras should focus on that first since christians typically put civility before their religion

This always rustles my jimmies and is one of the reasons I struggle to believe in organised religion in any capacity. The bible is man-written but forms the backbone of Christianity.

If its accounts and teachings are accurate and God-given, then it should be followed to the word and to go against the teachings should be a sin. If all sins are absolved because of the death of Christ, then you can live a sinful life and be allowed into heaven, so why preach about the evils of sin?
If (some of) its accounts and teachings are falsified by man and God is omnipotent, then by not correcting them, God intentionally leads his children astray, into sin and rejects them from heaven in spite of their faith. This would mean he is malevolent and should not be worshiped as a deity and that you cannot be certain if you are living free from sin.

So if a God exists as described by the bible, believers should follow the bible verbatim. If you don't, you go against God's will. If you choose to cherry-pick verses you like, you are either a sinner or you do not believe God is almighty and may still be a sinner if God's will contradicts what is written/interpreted from the bible.

Logically, if you don't follow the bible as written, you're likely going to hell in one form or another. Or everyone is spared from sin and no one goes to hell.

Proof? How about The Bible being viewed one of the most important historical documents throughout most of the history after resurrection of Christ?
What about its cultural impact on Europe and The West in general? No way a made up lie would spread, especially in Judea, where people observed the wonders of Jesus and became his followers, if he was fake people would quickly find out and treat him accordingly. Yet, the only opposition was from the gold-worshippers (the Jews) and later the other heathens. Those people who were biased and saw teachings of Christ as a threat to their material well-being.
The people who spread anti-Christianity are dishonest agents of those who want to exploit the West for profit. Either funded by them, or simply enslaved to them via the hedonist industries. Out of their insecurities, the wicked promote filth as to not feel inferior, this behavior is profitable to some.

do you have a counterargument?
if god does allow fucked up shit to happen he either doesn't give a fuck about us or his idea of "good" is completely different from my idea of "good" so worshiping him does me no good

>Just read it, 'c
Dude it's like 2000 pages long which is double the size of the bible and three times bigger than the Qur'an. And I'm sure most of it is just pointless shit that won't me answers I desire

Anyways do you have a good pdf document or ebook I can download

>if a gamedev truly wanted you to win, maybe he would've made you start with 100% completion, all items, etc?
>non-adevists btfo

God loves pedo's but we don't.

Yeah, maybe. A lot of it is very obfuscated and unintelligible to me, but it helps in the sense that it gives you context for information that is misread by the masses. Like the death on the cross for instance. It wasn't a "blood sacrifice" or anything like that. The book explains how it was just a well-meant gesture of forgiveness that caused all the angels in heaven to sing or some shit like that lol. And it's all here for free:
urantia.org/urantia-book/read-urantia-book-online

>haha greek mythology is obviously fake how could someone believe in that?
>h-how dare you say christianity isn't true!
>idiot! christianity is the ONE TRUE RELIGION!
>idiot! islam is the ONE TRUE RELIGION
>idiot! judaism is the ONE TRUE RELIGION
>idiot! norse mythology is the ONE TRUE RELIGION
>I'm so lucky to have been born in the correct geographical region to have been indoctrinated with the ONE TRUE RELIGION!
do you people even hear yourselves?

yes! tell your children all about christianity!
who else is going to pay me once you're dead?

i'm actually jealous someone managed to troll your whole bloodline for 2000 years straight. That's some good shit

Thanks a lot my man

May the one TRUE GOD guide us to the truth and remove any bias or evil from out hearts

>even though worshiping God results in eternal peace I refuse to do it because God doesnt think the same as my puny monkey brain

>worshiping God results in eternal peace
Is there any reason to believe this?

No I don't. Even his canonical "scripture" was decided by the very people who crucified him. The gospels were oversaw by someone who wasn't even fucking related to the events and never met jesus (paul).

If he was omnipotent as he claims then he knows full well all the people he foolishly damned beforehand. For what? Finite inconconsequential actions on this space rock? What sort of infinite god will feel any insult from a human speck the barely exists in the face of eternity. Does infinite suffering match fleeting lapses of judgment.

He is either evil or doesn't exist.

>How can you reject an invisible god that conceals himself?
>You know about him now, don't you?
>No I don't.
Then how are we even having this conversation?

There is no reason to believe otherwise. Only one path is beneficial. Choosing to reject God for the sake of pride is the most irrational thing you can do.

Do you not have a smartphone just because different brands exist? Religion is theology, philosophy and different people have a different opinion in it. Humans have been religious for as long as they've existed as a species, why would you think actual atheism is possible? In reality you worship people or objects - all that is material, which will certainly lead you to nothing good, spiritual and physical decline.
Why do atheists have a lower fertility rates compared to most other religious groups? A degenerate is with whom a bloodline ends, and these people are heavily overrepresented among atheists.

>he doesn't worship Joseph's wife's son from a previous relationship
*Tips fedora*

Design a better universe, please. Please tell me what a perfect God would do, I really would like to know

So, no, then
oreg

>low tier semantics

you're boring as shit. okay which christianity sect is the right one out of hundreds. tell me why it is the right version of christianity without a shadow of a doubt.

then you can fight the other thousands of christians who will tell you you are wrong. bye.

Because you tell me I'm a bad person for not loving and worshiping this person who I have never seen and who has never done anything for me with my entire heart. If I told you to spend your all your time going around telling everyone how great my mom is for no money or else I would shoot you, you'd think that was total bullshit.

>someone literally posted this comment and thought there was a meaningful argument in it anywhere
i want to die bros

How is that low tier semantics? You complained about how could you reject a God you don't know about, so I said but you DO know about God now, and then you claimed you didn't know at all. And if that was the case, then how would it be possible for you to argue about God at all? It's just nonsense, anonymous.

I answered your question in the last thread. An infinite number of minds experiencing infinite joy at all times. How is this universe more perfect than that?

>youre a cuck xd

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He could start by not making humans orgasm and piss out of the same place. Or by making us so that we don't breathe and eat via the same pipe. I feel like a creator god should've ironed that one out like first day.

So you agree God is nonsense, good. Stop telling other people to worship him in vague terms and then avoiding the question when they ask how.

Christianity built on and predicted by Judaism. Islam is political in nature, and started by a pedophilic warlord who looted caravans to gain power. All other popular religions are polytheistic, which simply makes no sense. God is God, not numerous personalities with arbitrary powers. As for Buddhism, Hinduism, etc it is a waste of time. A good Christian will be a good Buddhist but a good Buddhist will not be a good Christian. Besides, Buddha supposedly enlightened himself. His beliefs are pretty arbitrary and even he recognized that he could be wrong.

>So you agree God is nonsense, good.

>complains about semantics arguments
>is the only one making semantics arguments

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>fundamentally, you can't scientifically prove logic or reason as we understand it makes sense therefore the fundamental axiom that we derive all conventional logic from is asserted. It just so happens that some people will assert a God at this lower level
>....
>....
>....
>therefore the Christian God exists and all his books are gospel and I do everything I am told to do except I don't and I don't actually believe the books but I interpret them to comfortably live my life as per modern understandings of morality and so should you otherwise you're going to hell and Joseph's wife's son won't be your friend. Excuse me, I have to go cut the tip of my newborn's penis off to please God's chosen people.
True intellectualism.

Can you point out the exact Sutta where the Buddha claims to never be wrong? Because the one I'm reading, the All-Encompassing Net of Views, is him saying basically exactly the opposite. He goes through each of the philosophies that existed at the time and goes point by point with them. You can argue that the Buddha is wrong but saying he's on the same level as Jesus, who could only teach in indecipherable parables and cursed a fig tree for no reason is just silly.

You're still avoiding the question. I'm ready to love God with all my heart, but there are so many religions. Can you show me which one is right?

You think God's going to shoot you for not saying you love him?
>for not loving and worshiping this person
God's not a person. He's being itself, the prime actuality. I mean, if there was ever anything at all worth worshiping it would be the source of all existence.

>You're still avoiding the question.
No, I'm not. You're obviously not interested in taking this seriously and as a result I'm not enabling you. How you feel about that is up to you.

There is little meaning or truth in such a universe. It shows that God is driven by pleasure and not what actually defines his nature. You just cant escape your monkey brain perspective, can you?
Is that it?