Is the vegan diet a meme

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As it stands your evidence amounts to fuck all and you wasted all that time typing this out.

I am my own source (first person you replied to) and also just go look at all these vegan youtubers coming clean and saying because of health reasons they haven't been vegan for like x-months.

It's the next trend, by 2020, being former vegan will be the hip thing on trend, mark my words.

Clarence has the body and strength of a god but the face/haircut of someone who plays Starcraft II for 16 hours a day.

Anecdote isn't evidence and there are still plenty of vegan "athletes". Chances are the ones who quit won't have a much better diet eating normally again. The issue people have when they go vegan is simply removing the meat from what they otherwise eat. They need to replace grains with high protein ones and eat a lot more legumes than before. Dark greens are absolutely necessary too and many people forgo this in favour of le vegan street food meme.
These people will just go back to juice diets and junk food and feel fine because meat and dairy is a good nutritional and flavour crutch, but they will still have nutritional issues because trying and failing at going vegan just indicates you're a lazy retard. If you're going to do it you absolutely need to do it properly otherwise your ignorance can kill you.

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> It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes

inb4 they dont know what they're talking about, but this high school dropout blogger or youtube personality does!

This isnt even new, its just one of those weird culture war things that have come up with internet 2.0, bizarrely. Its also weirdly political, in a very american way.

Anyway, you can refer to the scientific literature and experts, or you can continue being thrashed about like a tiny boat at sea in a storm by peoples retarded ancedotes, stupid culture war games and abject morons trying to make a buck off you by selling you controversy and contrarianism. This incidentally, applies to literally every aspect of health and fitness.

>the ones who quit won't have a much better diet eating normally
spotted the vegan

I tried the both vegetarian and carnivore diets, both were shit. Although the vegetarian diet lasted longer.
Omnivorous diet is most natural and doesn't require you to be a scientist just for it to be sustainable.

>American Dietetic Association
literally who?

Isn't it interesting that, this all-time-highest-quoted-by-vegans statement isn't widespread advice, and the ADA is a literally who organization that nobody gives a fuck about?

>dated ONE vegan
>NOW I KNOW THEY ARE ALL DEFICIENT IN SOMETHING!!!

Nobody in this thread understands basic human physiology. You all fell for the 1g/lbs protein meme. I am surprised it is still in the sticky.

The reason this vegan is still strong is that the perceived lack of protein actually does nothing. Most weightlifters eat twice as much protein as they need. Reducing the intake (by going vegan, or by not eating 6 chicken breasts a day) has zero effect on your strength.

Yep He said it him self.

Henchherb is aging poorly

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Liver and kidneys, especially from lamb, are rich in vitamin B12. A 3.5-ounce (100-gram) serving of lamb liver provides an incredible 1,500% of the RDI for vitamin B12 (4). While lamb liver is higher in vitamin B12 than beef or veal liver, the latter two contain about 990% of the RDI per 3.5 ounces (100 grams)

>well planned

Just lol

>healthful

Sure but theyre wrong about the athlete part

I'm sure its healthful and im sure some athletes thrive on it insofar as they take b12 and aren't eating Oreos and pita bread, but the vegan diet is far from optimal for, say, a bodybuilder or powerlifter.I don't now about running enough but I still doubt eschewing calorie dense, nutritional meat and dairy is optimal

I would put my 65yo hypertensive father on a WFPB diet, not a young bodybuilder looking to gain as much mass as possible and that's essentially what were talking about on this Mongolian calisthenics enthusiast forum

This. Im a vegan and it requires more planning to function. Omnivore with meat no more than twice or thrice a week (or small amounts through) is easymode. Look up any study on med based diets. Just eat as much meat as you would if you had a small holding. You can function as a veg or vegan but its hard to maintain. Carnivore is just Retarded though.

this is why Ted K. was right. Why wouldn't you want it on easymode? Oh yeah, because vegans hate themselves.

clarence still has a good physique but he's nowhere near as strong looking as he used to be

this is where my mind is starting to go as well.
the best I've felt on a diet is eating fruits, roots and meat.

It's an ethical thing for me user, I was raised on a farm and I don't want to be part of that as much as I can help it. It's not about something being easy.

If someone is looking for a good healthy diet you can get everything and more eating a Mediterranean diet and its easymode.

Can you only think in black or white? What if somebody ate one piece of liver a week and went back to eating vegan? Nobody gives a fuck about ideology here, so whether or not you eat meat is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is nutrient and macro intake.

Backward rationalisation.

when has he admitted to giving up his N card?

>what are steriods
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steroids don't contain any vitamins or minerals.
so much coping in this thread.

Clarence hits micros and drinks onions milk. he stopped supplementing too.

That's the extent of knowledge in fit user. It's 98% spastic sun glazers.

the absolute state of this thread

plants contain protein too, and also contain every nutrient you need & are much more nutritionally dense (are you guys seriously going to argue that bacon is more nutrient dense than broccoli?)

B12 is a non issue in 2019, pretty much all cereals, vegan milks, mock meats, etc are all fortified with B12, the issue of defficiency is moreso a testement to how clean & sterile our production systems are, as B12 is a bacteria we need, as a result now 40% of people in the US are defficient, this isn't a vegan issue it's a world issue, and like vitamin D you should address the issue either by going out in the sun more or supplementing

>American Dietetic Association
Seventh Day Adventist cult front.

Look what happened to this tennis great when he went vegan (temporarily)

telegraf.rs/english/2814451-finally-novaks-confession-about-the-diet-i-am-no-longer-vegan-jelena-is-not-determining-what-i-am-eating

Google "why I am no longer a vegan".

Vegans are all angry. The reason, as Bob Marley pointed out "a hungy man is an angry man".

>You can function as a veg or vegan

Without supplements on a vegan diet you will die. That is the good news - because you will go mad from lack of B12 and Omega 3 DHA first.

Look at the sunken eyes and grim expressions on the faces of the vegans.

youtube.com/watch?v=obi3pWKBWdA

>Most vegan athletes are vegans on camera only
Not even a vegan shill but holy fuck, bro.

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>being this threatened over others not eating meat

YouTube isn't a valid source user. Supplementing as a vegan is fine. In fact everyone on every diet is deficient in something. refuted you before you even posted.

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He stopped talking about his diet, or about veganism in general.
Chances are, he stopped being vegan but didn't want to tell people about it.
He has a discord channel I think, maybe someone there could ask him about his diet.

he got a nigga pass???????? bruh

>plants contain protein too,

Lower quality that's not bio-available. Literally all the highest quality most efficient protein sources are all dairy or meat.

Omega3: flax seeds, edamame, sprouts, walnuts, hemp seeds, multiple types of oils,

B12: cereals, vegan milks, cheeses, sauces, yeast flakes, nori, fake meats, even the can of white memester you all drink is B12 fortified with 500% of your b12 RDA

i'm not sure he ever said it outright but he makes winks and nods to it fairly often. also, it's impossible to have his body without exogenous testosterone

you make it sound like it's actually a reasonable difference

i would put my life on the line that you omnis still count things like beef as a good source of protein when even by your own reasoning it isn't bioavailable enough since it's bioavailability is lower than things like rice and quinoa

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>rice
>quinoa

So, what you're gonna eat 5000 cal of quinoa to get the same amount of protein I get much more efficiently?

And I know from experience that vegans aren't eating huge amounts of rice or quinoa in huge amounts. They will typically just throw some tofu or basedbeans into their meals and think it's enough. I guarnatee you that most vegans are deficient.

or you could just eat onions mince with rice together
do you know how much protein defatted onions flour has? 50g per 100g of product.

what do you think our protein powders are made of again?

most people on this board eat too much protein anyways, they wouldn't even notice the bioavailability as they already eat an absurd amount, I can't find any studies that show benefit of eating anymore than 0.75g per lb of fat free mass

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>what do you think our protein powders are made of again?

Whey.

TIL vegans use whey

>TIL vegans use whey

They should.

why? i don't see how consuming high amounts of estrogen is going to help me

I'm a vegan and hitting a gram of protein per pound of bodyweight, eating around 3,000 calories a day is fucking easy.

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CARNIST COPE

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Low IQ post.
Any diet is an improvement over the Standard American Diet, look up the Twinkie Diet.

Clarence is juicing, you fucking retard

Here's your proof bro-
youtube.com/watch?v=ooPMrOW9YSc

Two millions plus subscribers, huge popular vegan icon. International etc etc, turns out she's married to a meat eater, and publicly eating fish herself. While promoting and profiting off her gullible vegan believers.

Nobody can prove they are vegan, since we have no idea what they eat when the cameras are off.

One look at healthy normal Jon Penus and you know he eats meat off camera.

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supplements + steroids, thats the secret

Built his base eating meat, now takes steroids so it doesnt matter

>posts someone who comfirmed using steroids for recreational uses
>gee i wonder why is he so strong. Its because of veganism of course!

Clarence is not strong because of, but despite being vegan. Other than that he looks really unhealthy, his skin is dry and grey with red marks all over.

The fake vegan looks healthy and vibrant, the actual vegan has red skin and looks like shit, what a surprise!

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MEATKEK COPE

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just lol at left guys masseters, hes lean but theyre invisible. Severe atrophy from not chewing any hard MEAT, you can't have a healthy jaw and teeth without chewing

youtu.be/cN37bH3GJFA

LMAO at this thread. I'm eating breakfast with eggs and milk right now but:
1.) Steroids wouldn't fix all the deficiencies you people say being vegan causes.
2.) Being "vegan" is a broad spectrum of diets, you can adjust macros and fiber content in any amount, and any vitamin/mineral can be gotten from food or supplemented (hint: the only real requirement is B12). Just because you can count all the foods you know on your fingers doesn't mean vegans eat broccoli and rice all day long.
And for the vegans:
1.) PCRM is a sham.
2.) Extremely low fat or elimination diets are horrible.
3.) No, animal fats don't cause diabetes through intramyocellular lipids. The only sources you can find stating this are from doctors affiliated with (1)
4.) You can adjust an omnivorous diet to any macronutrient ratio or amount of fiber, just like a vegan diet.
5.) Weight management is the most effective way to improve health. Any diet which boosts conformity will accomplish this.
For both of you:
1.) "Unnatural" foods aren't any worse or better than "natural" foods.

You may be an omnivore but you're the smartest omnivore on this board.

I eat a mostly vegan diet, pretty strick too.

Breakfast is normally BCAAs and caffeine before a fasted 1-2 mile run. I walk in the winter. Then I have a peaceful and hemp protein shake and a low sodium V8 or if Im not lazy blended greens.

Lunch is a massive tupperware of a bean an corn Chile, some sort of Indian style rice and lentil dish, or beans and rice. Lots of veggies added. I'm hitting 1,200-1,400 calories on this with 90-100 grams of protons. I eat half before lunch early and half after.

Lunch: I take a long lunch for an hour of lifting. Big compound moves mostly.

I also eat a big salad with tons of onions and garlic and olive oil every lunch. After my workout I do two scoops of whey isolate, my non-vegan meal.

Late afternoon snack: normally do eat a few spoon fulls of peanut butter or nuts.

Dinner: very varied. I do eat dairy or fish sometimes, but like once a week.

I climb 2-3 times a week after work and sometimes go to a crag or go hiking on weekends.

Sundays I often go to a nicer gym for a long full body session and do heavy trap bar carries and sled pushes.

I'm 33, have a resting heart rate of 40 bpm, can easily jump into a 10 Mile road race without having to gear up training, and am advanced to exceptional on every Symmetric Strength lift. 5'11, 175-85lbs throughout the year and go between 11-8% bf.

The idea that you need meat to be healthy is retarded. A bit if meat is fine but people eating meat every meal are selfish faggots destroying the enviornment while overwhelmingly being fatter and weaker than me with less endurance. If you're not a pro athelte you don't need tons of meat and dairy.

Post body boomer

Fuck you, nigger. Here meat goes on all meals and no fucks are given.

when has he confirmed?

>Every popular vegan icon is quitting

>THEY DIDN'T DO VEGANISM RIGHT!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=l7OOZ9VP7AE

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literally any diet can be fixed with supplements and it doesn't hurt if you throw in a dash of steroids like that Filthy Frank looking faggot you posted

Those two chicks, rawvana, high carb Hannah, Bonnie Rebecca and just about every vegan whore has emaciated faces especially the upper lip area. Also Cate flowers, this shows up mostly on female vegans look for yourself and compare their gaunt faces with Nicole arbor the healthy natural face carnivore babe.

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>proof
>YouTube link
>some thot lied to her dumbass thot followers

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No such thing as "mostly vegan" you imbecile. You are omnivore by your own statement. btw I'm omnivore too and so is Sv3rige. Good job being healthy and not being a retarded vegan lol.

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Let's find common ground and agree.....

90% of vegans are imbecile females, who like being lied to by their fake vegan heroes like rawvana and freelee.

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all the sick people try to be raw vegans and don't eat a lot of food.
was watching a Susun Weed debate the other day, raw plant eating human needs to eat ~30 lbs of food a day to get enough nutrition from it.
you need to cook your plants.

I'm a vegan guy. And yeah that's the common ground. Then there are the 8% of guys who are intersectional socialist literal faggots, and then 2%ers like myself who hate the rest of our kind and also hate the guys who lump us in with those thots and faggots. I just read too much 18th and 19th century German industrial revolution philosophy user.

sv3rige is looking like shit lately and sounds weaker too. It's either his retarded diet catching up to him or him travelling a lot of dry desert regions while being a latvian. For a guy who blabbers on and on about nature he sure likes to do a lot of unnatural travelling.

I'm unironically allergic to animal products and going vegan actually caused me to gain weight.
Not even kidding. Like, seriously allergic to meat. My immune system is a joke because my mom was on antibiotics and couldn't breastfeed. I was allergic to every formula except the $oy-based one and spat them up and legit almost died. I needed immunotherapy shots 8 times a month for years growing up. Any kind of meat, seafood, dairy, eggs etc. makes me break out all over and upsets my stomach and sends me into anaphylactic pukey mucus mode.
Not just food, either. A llama hair sweater or a down pillow will absolutely wreck me, as will a number of cosmetics, shampoos, pollens, and industrial chemicals.
It's been 8 years and I've never looked back. You can argue to me all you want about nurtitional deficiencies or whatever but I've never had any issues. I was severely underweight before and might as well have been bulimic when I was always sick.

If I start eating meat again, will it give me paranoid delusions like this guy?

wtf I'm bald now

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