APOLOGIZE

>yes goy, start having kids now so you can start working 70-hour weeks for me to barely provide for them, and don't forget to save up for their (((college))) funds

fuck off rabbi

or why not just marry a 22-25 year old when you're 30ish? The main issue is fertility, so why marry someone exactly your age?

>Kids, meh
this might be the most millennial thing I've ever heard.

the average cost of raising a child from birth to college years is over a million dollars. You're gonna work 40 - 80 hours a week, be in debt and married to a fat bitch that doesn't put out and probably cheats on you. These kinds of articles want men to become another cog in the economic wheel making money for """them""" but they make it seem like getting married young, having a big family and working all the fuckin' time are part of conservative values.

If your gf is getting fat and withholding sex she shouldn’t even be your gf. The point was if you have a strong partner that you intend to start a family with to not put it off in lieu of hedonism as many zoomers do these days, because you’ll only be mentally and physically weaker and your kids will suffer as a result. He even gets as straightforward as saying explicitly that women’s ability to reproduce declines quickly and that they’re more likely to have birth defects even in their early 30s, he says not to fall for all the celebrities having kids later in life. Most redpilled article from this stupid site yet.

you're probably a zoomer that gets all of his information through articles and shit posts on here, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But the older you get, the less marriage becomes important to you as a man. Money and freedom become increasingly valuable.

tfw gf is older than me but i will never find a girl with as strong morals, traditional values and as hot as she is

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>dont have kids
>oy vey a labor shortage, lets import some minorities
rabbi please

Biologically men should breed at 16 with 14yo females to have the healthiest children. If money is more important to you than this, then you are brainwashed.

Nope, the wedding is free except for clothes/food.
Marriage doesnt cost you anything. I'll never understand what people are comparing it to.. Living in a relationship or living alone?

If people base marriage on "youll lose it when you divorce" I only have 1 dude that I know of that have been through divorce and she just left him everything and let him have the house just to get out of it faster.

I guess people see marriage as "now im stuck with this chick". I dont know.

Kids aren't worth having in 2019

I'm 25 and everyone I know that has married or had children are completely fucked. No time for anything, too poor to afford anything. Tired and getting fatter by the day.

I'm not marrying some thot just so she can get fat and take half my shit. I'm not having kids so the government can cuck me. I'd rather say fuck the system, fuck 18 year olds and build a career of my own until I die. No one will be remembered anyway, might as well enjoy it.

Cross sectional divorce rates decrease with education and affluence, so just don't be a fucking cleatus and you should be fine to get married.

>yes got, why have kids when you value your shekels and “independence” so much? Work for me a meaningless job so you can go home to your craft beer and trap porn and save up all year for Instagram vacations to Thailand. Just keep paying your tax dollars for me to bring in Ahmed and Pedro to replace your entire bloodline next generation; if you stay complacent we’ll give you legal weed and pedophilia

>everything is DA JOOZ

Everyone I know who is married and have kids are active and love their life. One guy is badly in debt because he loves cars but the others have no economical issues since everyone work in the family.

You are correct. Based on what you posted here you should not have kids.

Im a 29 year old man who's been happily married for 5 years, have a kid, and own my house. Ask me anything.

>b-but she's probably cheating on you
>ur wifes son u mean heh heh
>y-you dont have disposable income i bet
>etc etc
inb4 all the incel cope

the real redpill is to wait until your 40s to have a kid with a 20 year-old-woman

come on, use your brain:

fake anti-jew post made by kike

truth here

where in the midwest do you live

this you dummies... it's just the worlds longest and consistent coincidence

West Coast 24 year old getting engaged in a few weeks, plan is to get married late summer early fall.
She wants to have kids before she turns 28. Definitely 2, maybe 3.
Life is good, guys. I'm much more happy calibrating my actions to make me a good boyfriend, soon to be good husband, soon to be good father, than I am just being on my own doing whatever.

How are you handling money and pressure from family and friends?

A lot of folks hate on me and my wife, we have "a lot" of money because we share all of our income and budget wisely but get a lot of shit for not spending it like crazy like others do.

We just bought a new car cash to stay out of debt and people think we should help them out with their money issues.

Salt Lake City

>30 yo non-lifter brags about his mediocrity
why do you think people care? Post body pic.

>Masculinity LARPer disguises his opinion as advice
Yeah nah, fuck off with your identity politics americunts.

Not a problem. My wife's family lives far enough away that they have no idea how we spend our money. My parents make more money than we do. My brother makes just as much.

I still keep it as secret as possible though.

3. fly through your prime reproductive years until the energy of your youth begins to slip away from you

4. watch as all of your friends and same-age family members become more and more distant, absorbed in their own blooming careers and families and leaving your ever more isolated and alone

5. begin to panic at the realization of the permanency of your mistakes, and either

5a. latch on to some divorcee/widower with kids of their own, immersing yourself into their family like a parasite as you help raise some other person's children, deep down wallowing in the existential pain of never knowing true parenthood of your own, or

5b. fight off the dread, pretend to yourself that you're okay with your "independence" as a 50-60-something person all alone. your dating prospects are now zero, as anyone you could possibly meet falls into category 5a. you try to convince yourself that all the stares you get while eating alone at restaurants, going to movies alone, trying to socialize with people 3 decades younger than you at work, etc are just people who "fell into the trap" of a happy and fulfilled family life. you just sort of dwindle on, too old to live the socialite's life, too alone to join in the family festivities of others your age, until you die, old and desolate and full of regret, and your last thoughts are the painful knowledge that you will leave nothing behind, with nobody to remember you, nobody to mourn your passing, probably nobody to even plan a funeral.

Most depressing thing I see around my work is 60 yr old folks who havnt had a real relationship in their life.. they can't socialize with anybody and nobody cares about them because you can't get anything good out of talking to them. Sad.

Is there such a thing as too awkward or too much baggage to be in a relationship? You're on the chans so I guess it's safe to assume you're not a complete normie and you have some idea of what I mean.

>24
>finishing masters
>have a gf but intend to move cities for career
I'd have no problem getting married but not to current gf, I don't see lifelong with her. But I don't want to start dating until I move.
Kids would be tough, I'd say if I got a job TODAY in my career, I'd rather wait until 26 at minimum. With 2+ years with a gf-to-wife at least.
My parents did it right but my college years were boring, didn't have money or that much independence. I want to do shit when I get a career

Why are you people so incapapble of stating your thoughts? Just TELL the bitch she's gaining too much weight, that it's bad for her health and you don't want your kids picking up her bad habits. Get her a gym membership or to a dance class and you'll both be happier and healthier for it (hope you're hitting the gym too, don't be a hypocrite).

Never understood why you numales are so terrified of hard conversations, like saying nothing to spare yourself some awkwardness is doing them a favour.

advice to a 24 year old?

I've had the opposite experience, I worked as a nurse for 8 years and the coolest old people where always childless or never married.

>28
Argh im fucked

Doesn't work. You can't make someone else do anything they don't want to. It's biology. Once they "have" you, they have no reason to continue looking good.

It has nothing to do with hard conversations you faggot, it's the fact that getting your whale GF a gym membership doesn't do shit because women don't think like men.

This,
My gf even comes to me and tells me shes getting fatter and we need to stop eating out. Mostly because I kept telling her she was getting too fat a few years ago and now she keeps track.
Sure she tells me what she doesnt like with me and I return the favor and fix my shit too.

>t. depressed, alocholic auntie
Go by an old people's home and see the fates of those who never bothered having families, never bothered forming relationships and bonds, the only visitors they get are the occassional social worker checking they're still alive, they sit in silence 24 hours a day. It's heartbreaking but a solid lesson, you can shi ttalk about population all you want, the rest of the population don't care about you, your children you raised and your grandkids you see ever weekend do.

That's cus you're 25. That's way too young nowadays. A man should be at least 30 before even thinking of having kids

>your dating prospects are now zero

but that's where you're wrong. im so glad i'm not an ugly, manlet beta who has trouble with women. im entering my 30s now with legitimate goals in life, a college degree and stable career, and i can literally have a woman over at my place any day of the week

i'll decide for myself when and if i want kids, i'm not some low-self-esteem faggot who only sees himself as declining with age, AND i don't have a biological clock to worry about because im not a woman.

lol stay pleb

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stop wasting your current gf's time

Not the guy you're responding to, just wanna say that you have a great mindset.

>You can't make someone else do anything they don't want to
Apart from go to work, do their chores, follow the law, every fucking organisation and government has done this for thousands of years you tit.
>Once they "have" you, they have no reason to continue looking good.
Nigger they aren't black widows and you aren't being held in a cell, you have each other and are a team you work with each other and that includes letting each other know the hard truths, why the fuck do you think having a girlfriend makes you some sort of slave to her whims? You think your ancestors were just hunting and working all day while the women did nothing because it's "biology" she has you now?

What does thinking like a man have to do with anything? Men are more rebellious and less agreeable than women, forcing a man to go the gym would be objectively more difficult.

>"""Art of manliness"""
Those three words alone are some of the most cringeworthy shit I've seen around here lately.

If you have to have some fucker with a fucking website tell you what '''being a man''' is, then nothng anyone tells you is going to help you anyway.
Similarly anyone offering such cringeworthy '''advice''' is a try-hard and likely a fake and is not to be trusted in the first place.

Find your own way. Having someone tell you what you should do is the antithesis of being an adult, let alone '''being a man''. FFS.

>you have each other and are a team you work with each other
Not the guy but, this right here.
A lot of people, even married, doesnt understand this shit and its fucking important.

Sounds good to me

My ex gfs dad thought he was too cool to stay married to his wife at 50. Both were attractive university professors, she was a hot ass milf, but he had a midlife crisis, dyed his hair, bought a Maserati, took a bunch of trips to Iraq, and cheated on her with one of his students, a 5/10 20 something year old butterface who apparently got off on the idea of banging a married man but once the shine wore off left him in 12 months. Last I saw him he still had a big house all to himself and drank several bottles of wine a day, waxed on about how smart and awesome he was, and hits on waitresses. Guy a meltdown and died his hair even more cus one of his student wrote on ratemyprofessor that he would have been hot if he wasn’t so old. No thanks man, I don’t want those kind of middle aged “dating prospects”

Why are you regularly going to old people's homes?

My parents were 34 and 28 when they got married in the 80's.

>you see every weekend

not every senior is lucky enough to have family that care for them, many of those in nursing home have many children who are too busy with their own lives to come visit.

Go make babies, then.
Inb4
>buh buh but I don't have a gf
>buh buh buh roasties
>buh buh buh I want a secure financial future first
>buh buh buh futile
>buh buh buh in 10 years, not yet

Just cus they had kids didn’t mean they didn’t raise them to be selfish pricks

cool anecdote but i'm going to be dating 20-year-old girls well into my 40's and 50s

>this is what dumb teenage dudes actually believe

Planning on it.

Noted. I'm putting that in the spreadsheet now

cope harder, ugly manlet faggot. im in my late 20s and ive accomplished every single goal ive set for myself

im literally better than you in every possible way. im tall, good-looking and confident with women. don't (You) me again, you pathetic low-self-esteem queer.

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What are you going to do about it, kid?
God, you're dumb.
Also: get into AA, (You) dumb shit.

ITT: Virgins pretending to be chad and fat losers trying to justify why they settled in life with a fat 5/10

>missing the point this hard

Pussy is pussy my man, there’s more important things. I slayed throughout my teens and twenties and now I’ve got a long term girlfriend I fuck all the time and and love being with. I cheated on her with an old flame a couple years into our relationship, just cus I fell into the trap of thinking I still needed the variety. Once you bust your nut you’re laying next to someone you don’t have much in common with and find yourself bored. It’s nice to be desired but once you’re in your 50s you’re gonna be desired by those 20 year old girls for the wrong reasons, they’ll want your money or the taboo factor but won’t love you and will leave you eventually since you’re too old to make a life together with them.

You might as well just masturbate or get a hooker because you will be alone one way or ther other. There’s a reason why humans biology has driven us to make large, strong families since biblical times.

>look at that old guy over there, i think he likes you
>oh god, shut up, you're so gross
>wouldn't you like to see just how far down his wrinkles go?
>ewwww oh my god can you image?
>i bet his balls are longer than my hair
>hahahahaha

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Economy's rough.
You mean the selfish pricks who raised a generation of selfish pricks? Raise your kids right, teach them to balance their lives, value family and all that other crap and they'll end up good people. Also it pays to be actually useful to your family and someone they can rely on, which I don't need to tell you because you browse Jow Forums and will never let yourself be the fat, weak man who can't get out of his chair. Right user?