Someone fucking explain how is suicide ''selfish'' or ''stupid''

>What makes them different from me

I was being ironic. I know people who think like that are indeed stupid and lack empathy.

Quite honestly was expected such a response but it was the first response. This place is in deep shit honestly. To think just a few years behind 2015 there was virtually nobody on here that thought in such a retarded way makes your heart warm up knowing that at least at one point in time there were good people on here.
honestly no point in life if you're not an extreme of something

people in actual agonizing pain or with real problems don't kill themselves.
>waaa my mom didn't hug me one time! girls don't fuck me when i dont do anything!

I see
and I honestly realized that you matter the most, which I'm glad about because I also realized I never really even did anything for anyone throughout my whole life.

>waaa my mom didn't hug me one time!
We already emphasized the fact that family and friends are of no importance
>girls don't fuck me when i dont do anything!
This is not about women or sex you cretin. You have a huge complex, most likely. Most people who are suicidal are way past that desire.
and what if you do a lot and girls don't fuck you still?

>people pretending to be "sad" worrying THIS MUCH about whether a stranger calls them stupid
stupid idiot

>do a lot
they don't though

lol.
>implying you'll feel anything in the abyss that is death

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>It's not because I FEEEEEEEEEL like it's not

I hope Bernie redistributes your depression to all the billionaires for you, faggot

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I'm talking about the guys that do. Lots of guys have maxxed out in different ways on different forums and haven't gotten females, it doesn't always help and you can't do as much as you think you can.
You're delusional
and not to mention it was never about that. Nobody here cares about females or sex. Cure your complexes please

You're the one who decides what matters the most. Because, as Epictetus said, "it is not the things themselves that disturb men, but their judgements about these things." You just need some time and mindfulness to DECIDE what is good and bad to yourself, nothing is good or bad on their own.

You're right. When I kill myself all the pain will be so strong and when it's distributed to all the people in my continent the entire continent will commit suicide. Even plants and animals will pick up guns and shoot their brains out.

>lots of guys
nah
>nobdy here care
if you're saying they're ALL gay, that's wrong. just most

>The pain multiples after it's distributed

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>You're the one who decides what matters the most.
Nah. Objectively you yourself matter the most.
If other people matter to you more, you're mentally ill.
>Because, as Epictetus said,
Alright bye
>nothing is good or bad on their own.
Lmao
things can actually be really good or absolutely egregious believe it or not
thinking they can't be is dumb as fuck

>You're right. When I kill myself all the pain will be so strong and when it's distributed to all the people in my continent the entire continent will commit suicide. Even plants and animals will pick up guns and shoot their brains out.

>Even plants and animals will pick up guns and shoot their brains out.

Laughed super hard. Thanks duder

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>nah
More coping and denial
>if you're saying they're ALL gay, that's wrong. just most
Apparently if you don't care about sex/females you're gay? you're not just delusional also extremely fucking doltish.
Not caring about sex or females doesn't mean you're gay you absolute retard

ya whatever you say gaytard

Forgot to mention it will be livestreamed, kind of like that dude with the fursuit and the shotgun.
And the pain from those videos will be further distributed to Jow Forums and furthermore until it's already wiped out entire countries

>How dare you put your need to escape this agonizing pain over my need to have you in my life?
It's not that, user. No one is mad.
I lost my brother to suicide, it ruined my life and my parents' life. I dropped out of school and had a massive depression relapse, my father got a heart attack the day we found out, my mother spent a whole year in and out of a mental hospital.
I understand the desire to be done with life, but you take your pain and make other feel horrible.

you're welcome user
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It depends on who does it, like if you OP do it its more a service to humanity but if the wife of your 3 small children does it its kind of a dick move

Because the people closest to you have to live the rest of their lives with the knowledge that they failed to help you when you needed it the most and that you would rather die than seek their help.

>I lost my brother to suicide, it ruined my life and my parents' life
No it didn't
you chose to make it that way
> I dropped out of school and had a massive depression relapse
yes this was most definitely due to your brother killing himself
> my father got a heart attack the day we found out
your dad is on another fucking level of normie
>but you take your pain and make other feel horrible.
you could have just looked at that situation and said
alright time to continue

this. everybody chooses whether they're sad or not

Exactly what I mean. Not having anyone even justifies it, but my deal is, even if you have a medium sized or massive sized family, or have millions of people know you or tons of friends, it's still ok to do it
you're doing it for yourself
why should they matter in such an extreme decision? it's yours
I can sort of see it being bad when you have kids.

you can't be sad but
you can be depressed because of the way things objectively are, in my opinion (you will probably think that I'm wrong - but I feel like depression can sometimes be uncontrollable - for example you realize trannies exist - that's depressing)

Yeah, stupid normies being hurt by the fact their son shot himself.
Unless you're trolling and trying to be edgy, you're fucked in the head.

Before asking questions, how bout you learn some basic vocabulary.
Let me help you: selfish= good for you and bad for other people.

Thats what its all about. But in some cases like hitler or terrorists or you wasting my precious air to breath suicide is a favour and not a selifish act because its good for other people

To be fair I understand the parents. You literally lose your creation. But sometimes you sort of know the outcome of having kids, especially in their conditions so they might have even known it's hard as fuck for him. Why at least not help him? Are they that oblivious?
And that's my point. They are so self-indulgent
they forget they have a fucking son to the point they forget all about him and he just kills himself. A son of caring parents would never kill himself. They just ignored him. So they are the selfish ones if anything man. And they are selfish for having him in the first place. Being aware of his circumstances.
They have eyes. Why don't they use them?

>Objectively you yourself matter the most.

Not to some. Some people are willing to sacrifice their own lives to save others (probably mainly women trying to save their babies, terrorists killing themselves because of their race or god, or soldiers sacrificing themselves to save their nations). I know all those decisions are self-pleasing, but that's in a way putting others first (and that was what I was talking about).

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I don't know if you got what I said. What I meant was that your evaluation (which is changable) of things is what makes them good or bad (that's why some people are more sensitive to some offenses and cases, like 9/11 and illegal immigration, and others don't give a fuck). Your death doesn't carry any bad nuances on it's own: you could think it's good, you could think it's bad, you could think whatever the fuck about it, there's no objective and unchangeable view about it.

Suicide is not really good for you to be fair. you literally get rid of that ''you'' by doing it anyway.
It's not bad for others, only in extreme cases, which we've established
But hitler killing himself is still selfish because of his people and what he was doing for his country and what state it ended up after he killed himself
terrorists don't kill themselves but wouldn't that be selfish to their friends in that case as well?

I almost fell for the bait but then my pizza was done.

Lol

You can't fix people who don't want to be fixed, and he didn't want to be fixed. He cut us off, drank way too much, and ended up shooting himself while he was really drunk.
We tried everything to get him to feel better, we were supportive, we loved him a lot. We offered to pay for medical cures, we called ever single day, we visited him. He never even opened the door.
They have been awesome to both me and him all our lives. He was a war veteran, it was really rough for him.

>A son of caring parents would never kill himself.
If you think this is the case, you're profoundly ignorant and have no understanding of depression.

>Not to some
No... but that's not what I said, I said objectively, not what other people think or do. I don't care if somebody dedicated his life to his friends or family, that's not right to do.
> there's no objective and unchangeable view about it.
In some cases it's bad in some it's good which we've just established (posts talking about the children and different situations which are actually rare) but if you put yourself first. Which is OBJECTIVELY what needs to be done. And if you think killing yourself is the right thing to do, then it's objectively good. I can't explain it better than this because it's hard as fuck.
Are you trying to say feelings about something are subjective, like you can find something tasty while somebody else doesn't? I think I agree but it's hard to decide
when people usually don't agree with my tastes I start to consider them as less of a being (depending on what taste it was though, i either get salty or don't care)

>He cut us off, drank way too much, and ended up shooting himself while he was really drunk.
If I was less of a pussy (I hate alcohol, and it's really common here so I detest it even more) I'd do the same. He was probably at a point of bliss.
>If you think this is the case, you're profoundly ignorant and have no understanding of depression.
I was actually imagining that he was in contact with you. He was probably neglected by other people or maybe just started hating the world after learning something. Happened to me and I'm like him, I cut off my family while literally still living with them, kind of extreme

I'm not even trying to be that much of a bastard, but at least I'm glad we can have a thread without zoomer terminology
there was still like 2 people trying to bring sex/women into this conversation.

He suffered from extremely bad PTSD, he had a horrible war experience. We never fully got to know what happened, but it was awful enough that half of the people he went to war with killed themselves.
He had plenty of people who loved him: friends, us, a wife. He divorced from her when he got back from war, she went looking after him every day, brought him food. She was the one to discover the body.
Just shitty, really.

>if you think killing yourself is the right thing to do, then it's objectively good.

Yes, it doesn't mean that people who think you shouldn't are wrong (because, unlike you, they may not care or put any value on your emotional well being), but there is nothing wrong or contradictory about you wanting to die.

>Are you trying to say feelings about something are subjective, like you can find something tasty while somebody else doesn't?

Yes.

> I think I agree but it's hard to decide
when people usually don't agree with my tastes I start to consider them as less of a being. (depending on what taste it was though, i either get salty or don't care)

Me too, but that's because we put too much value on what people think, that's a really big problem nowadays. I think it becomes less of a problem as you get older.

>He suffered from extremely bad PTSD
And for this reason I feel like suicide was his biggest relief
> he had a horrible war experience
this backs up my opinion even more. Although I don't think you need awful PTSD to do it.
>but it was awful enough that half of the people he went to war with killed themselves.
This scares and intrigues me. Back in the 90s there was wars in my country and recently after meeting and talking to this guy from my family who was in nearly every single one of them + spent time in jail during the war told me I seem like the type of person who this wouldn't phase at all. In a very bad way. I'm going to be in the army soon in 2019.
For me, learning about something fucked up that legally happens in our society is worse than seeing slaughter however.

>Me too, but that's because we put too much value on what people think, that's a really big problem nowadays. I think it becomes less of a problem as you get older.
I struggled really hard as a teenager to force myself not to care. I didn't care completely at one point, but that's just because I didn't know anything and wasn't that conscious. When I started learning about fucked shit and how complex human thoughts are I started realizing I hate it (and this meant I cared, a lot)
and thus I started caring again, about what other people think, and this is a problem because I relied too much on subjective shit while I should have been looking at how things are objectively

Back in the days when the chruch was the state,
Suicide was the ultimate form of tax evasion,
So they condemned it.
Normies till this day believe it.