Isn't it amazing how incels/forever alones are constantly told to work on themselves, fix their personality...

Isn't it amazing how incels/forever alones are constantly told to work on themselves, fix their personality, improve themselves, etc. while attractive people have absolutely zero self-improvement required to have friends and relationships. This is a gigantic scam, just so you know, it's meant to keep the losers in society preoccupied with themselves so they leave everyone else alone.

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Because they're already likeable and good looking, and have no issues.

Obviously if you were hot and likeable to begin with, you wouldn't have problems socialising and wouldn't need self improvement.

It's amazing you never shut up about this topic. We have had this exact thread a thousand times or more. Life is not fair, it's true.

that would imply i'm working on my self to get friends and girls, which I'm not. I'm improving myself for me, and to be somebody n this world, friends and specially women will be a by product of that.

>thinking people just look good without putting in any effort
>thinking being good mannered and sociable doesn't require hours of constant socializing and networking
You're delusional. My Stacey sister's morning routine involves like a dozen health products solely to make her skin smooth as butter. On top of that hair products, makeup, etc. and you're looking at not only a lot of money and time but also research. She basically devoted her entire life to looking good. Most normies aren't this committed but they know that there's effort in being attractive. Being born with the right genes is only the first step, you have to take every step thereafter yourself.

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Can I get a source on that. God I wish I could come hug her from behind and feel her soft, warm skin

What's so amazing about it? They were lucky to be born with the right genetics and have the right upbringing to fight in with their surroundings and be desired partners. Incels were not, so they have to work on themselves to try and reach that level if they want people to find them attractive. Nature was never fair.

>We have had this exact thread a thousand times or more.

Bless your heart, my sweet summer child. Every single topic on Jow Forums has been rehashed a squidrillion times already by this point already.

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Well, Yea but then when those people hit 40 the tables turn. I'm not an incel by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm wise enough to know the meme is true about men's dating value at 40 going way up. About 80% of the girls who take pic related pictures will be overweight, have kids and fail as a parent, have self esteem issues, or will develop some sort of mental health issue. Of course it won't be everyone, and you won't realize it the first conversation you have.. But as someone who has talked doth older women more than I have with younger women, they are many times more fucked up in the head. Even the currently married ones.

I think this is partly what deludes SOME guys into believing that life would've been easier for them if they had been born a woman. They just assume their natural default would've had more success. They don't like being forced to change because it's sort of admitting failure on a fundamental level. They want to control the way they change and not give in to all the voices that told them how through-out their life, so they take the pink pill.

Dude just get a haircut and stop being a weak man, chicks hate weak men! its that easy lmao.

Except that life would have been easier had most of us been born women, unless we were born in Africa or the Middle East.

Women may have a glass ceiling, but they also have a safety net, and failing is much more likely for anyone than reaching the point where the ceiling on womens' success matters.

It's called genetics and luck.
pic related and video will explain it in further detail.
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>attractive people have absolutely zero self-improvement required to have friends and relationships
Completely false. Your entire premise is wrong. Go away to r/incels or whatever cancerous hole you came from.

O.o LIFE ISN'T FAIR??? WHAT???

yea no shit I have to try harder cause I'm ugly. What do you want me to do about it? Either try harder cause you have to or don't try at all. I don't give a fuck.

What if the robot could be improved to not only block duplicate messages, but duplicate topic as well?

Being attractive doesn't mean shit

I hate incels too but get the fuck off of this board. You know for a fact that more attractive people have to put less effort into social situations. They are more easily accepted. I know rapists and assholes who are accepted because they don't look weird. Give me actual proof that a higher attractiveness doesn't mean lower effort needed in (novel) social situations.

I think a lot of the problem is that it is really often that people assume that female sexuality = moral, so, if women are attracted to you, you are a good person and if women aren't, then you must be some sort of horrible monster.

Mainstream culture in general won't admit that being an ugly man is harder.

Who is this chick?
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Refute anything of , tough I'm pretty sure that you can't since nobody since this shit firstly appeared has managed to do so.

OP said attractive people have to put in *zero* effort. Which obviously is wrong. And even if you are attractive, you do need to spend effort on keeping yourself attractive. If you shut yourself in the basement and get fat, you're not going to be attractive anymore.

Nobody wants to read your manifesto wall of text.

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It is natural tough. Humans want to procreate on the most basic level after eating, drinking, and sleeping. So seeing a human who is utterly unable to accquire a mate makes him less worth in the eyes of the others who can. He is useless on a fundamental level to the species. And while we pretend that we're above animals, noone can deny that those instincts are still present on a subconcious level that governs us.
Animals do the same, they cast out those who are useless to their species/tribe be iut because they're unable to hunt (something we don't need to d oanymore) or can't procreate.

By itself i don't even think it's a bad thing, it's natural and needed to gurarantee the survival of the species. But the constant denying and lying about it despite the evidence for it being so fucking overwhelming is just infuriating.

If you play team sports your whole life, are fed healthy foods in youth, and are encouraged to work hard by high achieving peers/mentors, then you'll have already learned a lot of lessons that whoever-you-mean is trying to impart to you. The age 25 has a trend of exposing the people who did learn these lessons versus those who didn't.

Yeah, it's harder to learn good values if they weren't handed to you on a silver platter, but I was there for freshman football when everybody was getting academic DQs and being put on the B team. Part of genetic superiority is living up to your potential.

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Yeah, tought so.
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Yes, it is natural, but I can't blame anyone for being upset that modern culture states things that are obviously extremely incorrect. It gets to you after a while.

>But the constant denying and lying about it despite the evidence for it being so fucking overwhelming is just infuriating.

Yes, that is the point. I wouldn't be nearly upset about it if society said "Yeah, user, sorry, you got a really shitty deal" instead of insisting that I am some sort of monster just because women don't like me.

Why don't women like you? Fix whatever is wrong with you if you want them to like you.

lmao you are thick as fuck

You can't improve a good personality, since it's already good. You on the other hand, incel, have some work to do.

I'm ugly. My jawline sucks, my nose is too big, and so on. I HAVE tried to make myself more attractive. I'm in decent shape now but probably too old to get ripped like even relatively unattractive women demand, but it doesn't seem to make any difference.

But your response is really indicative of the problem. Some people get screwed over, and there's nothing they can do about it.

You could go outside right now and see plenty of men uglier than you with girls. Your response is indicative of the problem, you make any excuses you can to not try. You probably have never even once asked a girl out.

Sure. I could go fuck a 10/10 in the next hour. The thing is that I would have to pay for it, which is what all of these uglier men are doing. I have no desire to do so.

I do try, and continually get rejected.

lmao why are you even bothering to reply to such generic normalfag advice you know hes just gonna get caught in a loop because of his NPC brain right

>you can get a girl just by asking her out!
>i did ask them out and got rejected
>well improve yourself first theres obviously something wrong with you to get rejected
>i did improve myself
>well then ask a girl out

so on and so forth ad nauseam, normalfags literally can't grasp the perspective of unwanted people they lack the creativity to do so

>My jawline suck

Grow a beard retard

all the advice given to incels are based around spending money. buy better clothes, get a haircut, go to gym, eat healthy etc.. It is just a giant scam to rip you off.
The average man is fat,stupid and lazy so why is expected from us to be cool fit and interesting?

I did. Doesn't help, apparently, given that the men I am competing against all look like pic related.

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Hey fuck off, god of war was a good game

How about, go fuck that 10/10 and pay for it. And then after that create a tinder account. Use good pictures, not selfies, and have a witty writeup.

If you are competing against men like that you should be drowning in pussy. No girl would find that guy attractive.

nice dubs, but that is clearly not the effort OP was talking about. You have to put in greatly reduced social effort to make friends and get laid. Saying you don't is basically gaslighting the incels and makes them rambunctious. I'm a virgin and even I know this, newfriend.

We're all competing against male-model tier guys.

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If I didn't care for the original, is there a chance I might like the new one? What turned me off the first one was the mentality of "hey let's make a game that is as violent and gory as possible, fuck everything else but that has to be its main thing".

Wasn't that the one where the guy who made it first had some minor crime mentioned, and later changed it to say child rape after he had those convos?

lmao where the fuck do you live that all the men are roided body builders?

Yikes, those are some broken women.

The Jow Forums of the advanced AI age will be barren and abandoned.

I hope the sexdolls add a feeling of companionship before that happens.

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Tinder made it that every guy is competing against model-tier guys since guess what ,they also use tinder to find quick fucks. And why should a woman go out with a sub7 if the next 8+ Chad is just one swipe away?

The best part about this is that you can recreate the experiment yourself if you don't believe it. It's very easy.

Not "all the men." But in any major city, you're competing against a small number of men that women find attractive, and you are never going to win that competition.

of course it's a scam. i would have to put in like 500% more effort and skill than an attractive guy just to get a shot with the same girl. it's part of why i've been hikki for the past few years. why bust my ass trying to get a job or meet a girl when i can get drunk and high in my room and just fap instead.

Why should a Chad go out with a sub7 if the next 8+ Stacy is just one swipe away? Unless a girl has Stacy tier looks she can only choose from a horder of betas and pajeets.

Because men aren't picky, while women are. Additionally, why wouldn't Chad both bang Stacy as well as a sub 7? A young guy has the sex drive to do that.

>Unless a girl has Stacy tier looks she can only choose from a horder of betas and pajeets.

Go make a Stacy tinder account to see how wrong you are.

Lol this is so dumb. Obvi some guys would still fuck a hot woman too if she was a pedo.

Are you really this dumb?
Guys in general fuck whatever walks around as long as she isn't disabled in the most horific way. You can easily find Chads banging Stacy one day, the next one go with the plain 5/10 since a pussy is still a pussy. It's woman who refuse to date below their 8+ model standard, not men.
Hell , just think about it logically, it makes sense that woman want the best there is to guarantee that their offspring is as healthy and strong as possible while men just want to spread their seed. Nothing wrong with that. But acting as if it isn't that way and then berating those who point that shit out is the reason why you have more and more men literally going on hatetrains agianst woman who refuse to aknowledge the simple truth.

Chad would bang the Stacy twice and not even look at the sub 7. You're delusional.

How does that math work in that case? Because according to you, every girl, even the ugly ones, can get a 8+ Chad. Does that mean there is a 8+ Chad for every female? Do we really have 5 times more men than women?

If all you do is bitch about your problems and never actually put any sort of effort at all into them and blame other people for you not working on yourself you will never get anywhere nigger. That sentence ran the fuck on but you get it.

Pick your fucking self up and be a man and either do something or accept your fucked forever and do nothing and shut up.

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What a gay boy

Yes. The difference is that the main cultural narrative is that female sexuality is morality.

retard alert retard alert.

No, it just means that every Chad is banging tens or hundreds of girls, as men have a much higher sex drive than women.

And no, not 5 times as many men, but at least in the U.S., there are considerably more young men than young women. It's just that men die younger so the numbers even out as you get older.

>one Chad fucks multiple girls in a week
>rest of the guys get none because every girl has Chad
Either you're acting deliberately like a retard or you really are one.

The best part is when normies tell incels to ignore dating and work hard to create a better world for themselves

>Work hard and find a cure for cancer so we can have a great life without having to look at you, tee hee!

I wish I didn't have to he exposed to women.
Id be able to manage, but it's my fault. There are places I could live where there would be no women or reminders of them. If I lived in a place like that, I'm certain I wouldn't wanna kill myself or be permenantly unconscious. Oh well, it's not like it'll happen anyway

Now you're doing it on purpose, right?

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Statistics and studies do not support this at all. If there were such a huge discrepancy between male and female sex habits, we would know. There would be clear, irrefutable evidence all over the place, instead of meme graphs on Jow Forums.

All your effort is pointless, your life will always be a void, watching others living happy lives while you keep trying.

There... is. Or are you disagreeing that women are picky and men aren't? If men and women had the same sexual habits, then it wouldn't be so easy for a woman to get laid or by comparison so hard for a guy.

>repost link that has been posted on Jow Forums thousands of times for years
>posted only anonymously on a website frequented by losers
>not a single shred of evidence it was real

>Statistics and studies do not support this at all
Which ones?
Because the only ones who ever made such studies are based on Tinder and OKCupid statistic which all point in the same direction.
It's you who refuses to aknowledge a simple truth that would make everyones life a lot easier.

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The studies get posted here a lot, they all clearly show there is no noticeable difference in the distribution of numbers of sexual partners. If what you said were true then you'd see women having way, way more sexual partners than men. This is not the case. Their numbers are about equal.

>Because they're already likeable and good looking, and have no issues

this is false, get in their company and just watch how stupid and retarded groups of staceys &chads are. Its honestly painfull to be in company of such people.

That's because you define stacey&chad as retards. Lots of chads are successful and smart people.

>Relying on self-reported numbers from women.

If you want to ignore reality, that's your right, but you're still an idiot.

>sexology
obvious b8 but I laughed really hard

But you rely on self-reported numbers from women in ? Why do you believe them there, but don't believe them in actual scientific studies conducted by government agencies?

Different user. But, again, if you really want to argue that women aren't picky compared to men, you're a retard.

>scientific studies conducted by government agencies
Post one.
All this time you've just been talking about them but refuse to link just one.

That's true, but being smart isn't necessary to be a Chad or Stacy, just your physical appearance.

That bait's been around at least 2 years and still people believe it. Sad. Many such cases!

I mean, I buy the premise even if the image is retarded.

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There's the summary, and a link to the PDF's as well.

Never improve, remain underachieving and expect strangers to reach out to you. If you're this deluded then you don't deserve to be happy.

Nice strawman, normie cuck

Nobody here is "expecting" anything, that's the whole point. Only an idiot would believe in hard work and dedication as an incel.

Every kind of drug taking, instagram whoring millenial are only "perfect" in their outer shell. You can't see it, but depression is a major part of their sad lives, and they are all leeching off their parents' money. Once they grow up into adults, they WILL have no chance of taking care of themselves and their only hope is to dig for gold from successful individuals who learned about morale and honest hard work during their youth, aka the "losers".
That is why you also must avoid these whores when you get married so that they will taste their consequences.

The first step of self improvement is to quit bitching and actually do it. The reason you are bitching is because you truly acknowledge that they are better than you. You need to be better than them, and preferably in a lot of things. You may never be able to compete in looks or height, but many women see past this and judge you by other qualities instead, just like you yourself probably have found attraction from women based on their achievements over their looks.

It's important for your own self image that you focus on your masculinity and do masculine things. If you don't exercise, start with running, lifting, cycling, swimming, boxing, whatever- and get in shape. Next, get a physical job, like construction, cargo trains, fishing, etc, it will make you feel manly as hell. Buy some books and learn yourself a new skill like carpentry, painting, programming, and create something with it. Set off a couple of hours every weekend to study math, physics, philosophy, geology, biology or whatever interests you. There are many great online courses out there. Reward yourself with a cold beer every friday evening to keep your spirit up.

Do all this, start with one at a time until it has become a natural routine of your day, and stop wasting time on dumb useless shit like social media. You will feel like you're at the pinnacle of humanity, and have the right to look down on other, weaker people.

>you yourself probably have found attraction from women based on their achievements over their looks.

Most of the 'incels' here don't think this way, which is part of the problem.

Because good looking and successful are already implementing these changes

>WHY ISN'T A FIT DUDE TOLD TO GO TO THE GYM
>WHY ISN'T THE DUDE WITH PERFECT SKIN AND HAIR TOLD TO GET BETTER HYGIENE

how stupid are you, op?

The fit dude does go to the gym. The dude with perfect skin and hair does take care of his hygiene.

How about how women don't need to improve

Exactly, op is complaining people who look good don't get told to improve themselves
They're already doing it. Just because someone seems natural, laid back, and not stressed doesn't mean that aren't working hard. they're already doing the things needed to look good.

how does he fix his height and facial bone structure?