What if dying a virgin is the ultimate good?
What if god exists and created us to test us, giving us a device (dick and vag), and an urge to procreate and to have the ultimate pleasure at the same time.
We all know life is suffering, and having children is sentencing someone else to suffer, perpetuating the testing of heart. The end times / Kali Yuga are nearing, and human population is increasing exponentially. It's safe to say then, that more people = evil, while less people = desirable.
It's also proven that morally garbage humans get to breed just as much, if not more, than morally good ones. Look at monks of all cultures, what if the only way to ascend to whatever heaven there is, is to realize this, embrace antinatalism, and die without offspring, preferably a virgin?
Virginity is good
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that's like saying "what if dying of starvation is good"
Difference being, you can last a week without food, but can live over 100 years without sex. It all feels like a side quest that gives dark alignment points
it's still a basic human function. maybe a better example is "what if dying without ever opening your eyes is good"
shut up incel stop rationalizing not doing/having something because can't do/have that thing.
the population, by most recent estimates, won't continue to grow exponentially, most developed countries' populations are starting to slow down and underdeveloped countries will follow suit. fuckin UN says that the 12th billion person probably won't be born
so fuck off, go take a shower and hit up a bar. don't be an asshole or a retard or a robot or a women-hating fag in general and you'll get laid in 2 weeks tops
>what if fat people are healthy XD
>what if being weak means you are strong XD
>what if low IQ means you are smarter XD
where do you go from there? nobody cares
it's not the virginity itself, it's that losing your virginity means giving up. it means that you will become a fucking pathetic NPC with his easy life and 5k/month income.
if you lose your virginity you will join the flock of people who worship bloodshed (IE most of humanity). i must remain pure because i shall not submit and give into the sick desires of Hollywood.
if you've ever watched porn then you failed that too.
You're an user after my own heart OP
This thread is nothing more than thinking out loud, don't fucking throw random trigger words at me just for spending my freetime in ways I want.
The population might hit a certain cap for a while, happened many times in history, but we always broke that cap with the ingenuity of a few inventors and thinkers.
>making a comparison that doesn't make sense
you're right, we should really make virgin losers feel humble and proud of themselves. just don't let them anywhere near society
You need to open your eyes to function in most environments, you don't need to have sex to function in most environments. Another person's egg/sperm and how that can develop into a child with your sperm/egg has nothing to do with fulfilling your dream to become an expert rock climber and dying satisfied. Eating and opening your eyes do.
Hell yeah anons, thank you for the support, we're all gonna make it, stay strong!
As if society ever gave, or will give virgin 'losers' anything (while expecting virgin losers to give to it). You'd be doing us a favour. Save a few healthy cells before the cancer overtakes the whole body.
>virginity is good
I agree! UwU
do you want to have an organic thought or just regurgitate the same buzzwords over and over again
>lmao just take a shower dude lol i bet u dont, just respect women lol
ive met kids in early call of duty that had more original insults than your type that were half your age. almost like youre some sort of non player character or something.
Goddamit, the crusade failed before it even started.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH COPING
NOTHING WRONG WITH RUNNING AWAY FROM PAIN
WHY DO NORMALS BULLY US VIRGINS
Celibacy is true transcendence of your bodily desires
If you are religious you can become a priest or a monk but if not you can become a wizard.
Guys have it kinda rough, when you're a kid and are asked what you want to do when you grow up, no one tells you or reminds you that whatever you do will be worthless in the eyes of your family and your peers if you don't get laid. It all hits when you're in your late teens/early 20s and it hits hard.
I don't care though, I'm going to become the best runner I can possibly be, it's what little me would've wanted.
>Look at monks of all cultures, what if the only way to ascend to whatever heaven there is, is to realize this, embrace antinatalism, and die without offspring, preferably a virgin?
I don't believe in heaven, but I do believe in preventing suffering and malevolence so I am an antinatalist and I will be dying a virgin because it is the right thing to do.
Typical normiecuck logic.
Celibacy shows that you have at the very least a modicum of self-control and standards. That you aren't a slave to your instincts like an insect or rodent.
The only good thing about being a virgin is that just talking to a woman and watching her smile at you is pleasurable beyond belief, let alone anything more, like a hug or a peck on the cheek
>dying of starvation shows self-control
if you say so i don't know
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>you don't need to
tell that to these incels who believe they should be violent or angry in response to rejection LOL
>fulfilling your dream
>dying satisfied
unless you're turbo gay that includes having a family
Yes, posting the same false equivalence over and over again will make it true!
It isn't. The ultimate good would be to have a relationship based on pure intension based on love and purity. Sex would be the ultimate of this said unionized resulting in children, the sexual pleasure just a mere byproduct of the most holy act.
maybe it's false to you... that's okay
>christians actually think that
Rapists are committing the most holy act. God bless them. :')
yeah man...like...not having sex will totally kill you! xP
if your argument is that you only eat to not die, then technically we have sex to not die as a species. so it still applies XD XD
>unless you're turbo gay that includes having a family
Getting laid and having a family is just another way to get the drugs your brain wants and is able to supply, there can be alternatives.
"It's all chemicals" may seem trite but it can't be ignored. Accomplishing meaningful goals can be one of those alternatives to getting the chemicals you crave.
The end result being the creation of a new human soul into this universe. You might do EVERYTHING in your power to protect said soul, teach it the right way to live, but you are just one factor among thousands in its development. The world has so much evil, a pure soul can be corrupted many times over anywhere it goes. And you are powerless against it. Many such cases.
I do not wish such a fate for my child, user.
so turbo gay then.
the world has a lot of good, but there's nothing to be ashamed of if you want to avoid the responsibility of raising kids
>you only eat to not die, then technically we have sex to not die as a species
False equivalence. "The species' survival" is way more conceptual than a single person's, for the simple fact that, in this context, it entails people who don't exist. In that way, you're not really ensuring the survival of a group of beings but the propagation of an abstract cycle.
>being unironically verbose
it's not false though
It is false. "The species' survival" is way more conceptual than a single person's, for the simple fact that, in this context, it entails people who don't exist. In that way, you're not really ensuring the survival of a group of beings but the propagation of an abstract cycle.
>the world has a lot of good that will justify any possible negative situation my potential child could be in
Are you retarded? Why did you say this?
Don't argue with breeders. They're too stupid to understand.
you could say the single person of the future doesn't exist either, particularly his living cells.
the assumption you started with was already retarded, i.e. the only reason people eat is to survive. stop digging yourself in to more retarded discussions.
Is it ok to fap to 2d waifus tho?
pessimism met with optimism. not sure what your point is. it's justified because that's how humans exist and function. do you need the world to be perfect to get out of bed in the morning? nah
>>you could say the single person of the future doesn't exist either, particularly his living cells.
The single person exists now, in the present, the potential children do not. If the person survives there will be essential, unique living parts of them that have been around since birth, even accounting for the replacement of cells(Cortical neurons, rod/cone cells in eyes, hairs in the inner ear, cardiac muscle cells etc.). With that in mind, it's still way more abstract to say that the "species dies" rather than "the human dies". "The human dying" entails all of those permanent and currently present parts ceasing function forever. "The species" "dying" entails non-existent people and is therefore a completely abstract idea.
It has been shown to be within human possibility to become born with major parts of the brain not there or not functioning, for example. This means that the child doesn't just not get out of bed because the world isn't perfect, it means that the child is unable to get out of bed or even know what a bed is or do anything besides feel pain, cry and drool, from birth to however long it has. How does puppies being cute or candy being sweet justify this existence?
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>Cortical neurons, rod/cone cells in eyes, hairs in the inner ear, cardiac muscle cells etc
The essential parts are permanent and aren't replaced or regenerated and unique to a person, meant to clarify that.
but the person doesn't exist in the future yet. it's all abstract.
that's rare. puppies being cute is not.
>it's all abstract.
No, it's not.
Start with what is now. Individual survival is for a person who exists now. "Species survival" is for something that does not exist now and for something that can never exist except conceptually. In one, you're affecting the direction of change in something that exists physically. In the other, in this context, you are not.
You think reproduction is magic but cell cycles arent? lol. Anyway the person doesnt exist in the future yet
>that's rare. puppies being cute is not.
and? You can't predict the future and you can't eliminate all chances of something terrible happening.
also, over generations, the chances of at least one person whose descended from you ending up in a similarly terrible situation is nigh-unavoidable. You could prevent that from happening and none of those potential people suffer from it since they don't exist.
I don't feel like remaining celibate is a challenge. And I'm sure many people on this board feel this way. It would be a challenge for an attractive woman, but not us robots.
You could prevent having a bad attitude by sleeping 24 hours a day but you dont.
Anyway its a small risk. Thats life.
Revelation 14:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
die a virgin u guys
also become a eunuch
Matthew 19:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
also ll read this thread later as im right about to pass the fuck out, im too tired to go thru all this shitalso as a 28 kv im fine with dying a virgin, but so not fine with all the injustice inthe world, thats the only thing that bothers me
>You think reproduction is magic
You should greentext what you mean in posts like this because for all I know you think that I said children can never exist except conceptually and that would be misinterpretation on your part.
>but cell cycles arent
Not all cells cycle. Some are with you forever until you die or until they are destroyed, and they can't be replaced.
>Anyway the person doesnt exist in the future yet
"Ensuring the survival of the person" means you're taking the existent individual and altering the direction of change in favor of keeping at least those present and permanent parts functioning. The human body is not all the ship of Theseus but this species thing is comparable to it and that's why it's in the abstract.
God ordered people to breed
Human is a part of the species though. If its abstract at one scale its all abstract.
No, you've incorporated the existent individual into the abstraction, doesn't mean that it can't exist if the abstraction isn't conceived.
Yes it does because he doesnt exist in the future.
>You could prevent having a bad attitude by sleeping 24 hours a day but you dont.
I exist, understand this distinction or you can't understand the topic.
>Anyway its a small risk. Thats life.
1. Like I said, it's nearly inevitable for a constant chain of people you've played a part in spawning to meet a similarly terrible fate.
2. "Small" in this context is arbitrary, having some kinda palsy and a 1/12 chance to touch the object you're aiming for means you might perceive it as having a small chance of doing so. A 1/12 chance to die instantly whenever you eat a muffin might not seem small at all when you're presented with a dozen muffins.
3. It's not "that's life" because it's not your life to piss away and become the first step into its ruination or mortal torture.
But you could avoid a bad attitude by sleeping 24 hours a day so I dont think you understand your own logic
It doesn't matter, he exists now, his permanent(until death/destruction) parts exist now, the cycle and the potential children don't, only abstractly.
I understand it fully, but what do you think my logic is?
His parts in the future are abstract until the future comes.
I really doubt you understand it. If you only draw the line at influence on other people, it may be perceived that by not having children (or by making any decision) you negatively impact another life at some point in the future. You minimize your risk by being a loser, but its already a small enough risk to function normally and have a healthy life and family
The man being 24 is concrete, the man becoming 25 years old is abstract. I don't deny that. The man eating so that his cells function is concrete, his cells continuing function as a result of him eating in the past is concrete. Here's an important bit, the man /not/ eating and the property of his cells eventually ceasing function as a result is a concrete fact, not an abstraction.
That pic reminds me a lot of the game Silent Hill 3.
>it may be perceived that by not having children (or by making any decision) you negatively impact another life at some point in the future.
You know for a fact that when you don't have kids you don't negatively impact those kids, because they don't exist. Conversely, you know for a fact that when you do procreate you are responsible for all of the suffering they experience because if you hadn't conceived that child would not had suffered. Moreover, you create new vessels for suffering when you procreate, you can't harm these vessels if you don't because they won't exist.
>but its already a small enough risk to function normally and have a healthy life and family
1. Like I said, it's nearly inevitable for a constant chain of people you've played a part in spawning to meet a similarly terrible fate.
2. "Small" in this context is arbitrary, having some kinda palsy and a 1/12 chance to touch the object you're aiming for means you might perceive it as having a small chance of doing so. A 1/12 chance to die instantly whenever you eat a muffin might not seem small at all when you're presented with a dozen muffins.
3. It's not "that's life" because it's not your life to piss away and become the first step into its ruination or mortal torture.