American government employees literally not getting paid

"Paid" vacation

If it's for something useful that will benefit the country in the long run, yes. Way more beneficial than just giving niggers free shit.

Wow, look at this guy who doesn't understand how foreign powers are already militarizing space through satellites!

Quite the contrary. We spend a lot on illegals, be it through trying to pick them out or by giving them welfare. This is an investment.

>Trump promises wall
>Literally shuts everything down until he manages to get us what we elected him for

How does anyone still hate this man?

>I bet they cave before trump does.

Trump has everything to lose. Dems actually benefit from economy slowing down.

Just a matter of time before president Cheeto yells mercy

Everyone knows the dems are the ones making this shut down happen. Every day that goes by americans realize more that dems care more about foreigners than americans. Your time is over now.

Yes. They will get paid once the shutdown ends. They only have themselves to blame if they don't have savings.

No Trump is just a manchild

You faggots know that the most illegals in your country have arrived there legally? That's why that wall doesn't do shit.

How does a wall actually stop illegal immigration when you can just use a ladder

>*stamps foot* manchildren reeeeee

space force was just an attempt to lower the budget for the air force

A wall would be useless. Most illegal immigration happens through legal ports of entry.
Moreover, Turtle Boy could get things running if that was an actual goal, but the shutdown is completely the fault of Republicans

Exactly. And most arrive via the airlines, so the wall won't do much. It's just a farce to make people feel like the government is doing something, when really it provides almost nothing and costs an enormous amount.

Exactly.
>trumptards

Are American government employees literally jannies now?

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Yeah, a lot overstay visas, so what? A significant percentage come over illegally across the border. And that's how many of the really violent ones get here. Your futility argument is low-energy.

You'd have to lug a very tall ladder for hundreds of miles. Not exactly plausible for most people.

>TSA

good. just decommission the whole thing. their agents are always bullies trying to harass or molest you

t. No idea how illegal immigration happens

They walk through a barren desert and almost die, a wall will probably stop a great deal of them.

theyre just gonna get the money later, why does it matter

>They only have themselves to blame for not having savings

Nigger fuck off. If the shoe was on the other foot and you were working for your company for two- three weeks with no biweekly paycheck and had to wait to get paid for those weeks you'd be crying your little heart out. You would be especially pissed if someone told you to dip into your own savings to sustain yourself because its your fault.

>Trump promised to build a wall and Mexico would pay for it
>He still wants to build a wall and now wants the taxpayer to pay for it because he lied and couldn't fufill what you elected him for which was for Mexico to build the wall.

Yeah no, I'm not paying for the wall and go fuck yourself since you want people to work without pay so you can have a stupid wall.

For Mexico to pay for the wall*

Most fucked thing about the wall for me is that Trump plans on kicking out home and landowners who own property along the border so he can put the wall there

Source? That probably won't happen, cities could be enforceable border access points. You're good with the wall now right?

theor paying with their soul

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IIRC only 40,000 people cross the border illegally every year, most illegal immigrants just overstay their visas
So if Trump gets 5 billion per year for the wall (+ maintenance), he's spending $125,000 per person to keep them out

That's a fucking egregious waste of taxpayer money

If they build the wall I'll be going to get a job building it. Think of the stimulation to the American economy

texastribune.org/2018/06/21/feds-moving-forward-land-seizures-border-wall/

Theyve already started seizing privately owned land apparently

says the ones not getting their way

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There are Native American reservations that cross over the border with Mexico. If Trump wants to build the wall, they'd be getting cut in half.

Land siezure isn't home eviction. They didn't evict people to build railroads they just took the land because they needed it

People have been so mad trump got elected and you want to say right wingers are throwing the tantrum lol

Which is still bad, taking someones land they purchased to build a wall that that person will also have to pay for

> Doesn't know what eminent domain is

msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-describes-plan-build-wall-without-congressional-approval

thehill.com/opinion/white-house/424195-trumps-militarized-land-seizure-for-border-wall-is-more-complicated-than

Now fuck off .

>Land siezure isn't home eviction.
Where the fuck do you think those people live lmao??? Not everyone is a millionaire with multiple homes.
Land seizure is a violation of private property rights. All so Trump can waste money on fewer than 50,000 illegal immigrants, who can just bring a tall ladder or dig under it anyways.

So basically it's the dems fault for not allocating government funds?

nice comprehension faggot
im saying that the republicans are blaming the dems for the shutdown when they started it and are utilizing it as a means to an ends for themselves without caring what happens to anyone else in the process
go suck down another brainboostplusxl

Most of the land that will be siezed will just be random acres, yes

Like the railroad boys, like the railroad

I think the back story behind the shut down matters don't you

>he doesn't know about El Chapo's mile long escape tunnel
Cartels will just dig under the wall you dipshit

>its OK to take someones property and then make the previous owner pay for a useless wall to be built there
This is your brain on Trump

>Think of the stimulation of the economy

I bet you think trickle down economics is real too. Good to know I'm going to be spending the next ten years paying for your dumb tax cut.

>I'm going to be getting a job if we build the wall

What's stopping your lazy ass from getting one now? I bet you won't once you realize the shit pay.

No, it's Trump's fault for throwing a tantrum over his stupid, unnecessary wall.
The House has passed multiple bills to reopen the government. Dems even offered Trump $25 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA in early 2018.
Mitch McConnell is the one who refuses to put any of the House's bills to vote in the Senate, where they would pass easily because most Americans DGAF about the wall*. It's on him, IMO.

*=thehill.com/homenews/administration/423099-poll-majorities-oppose-trumps-wall-funding-demand-call-for-compromise

Won't be useless, it will end the suffering of all the thousands who try to cross the border illegally and die lost somewhere in arizona.

the shutdown happened because the republicans want a wall and the dems said that they don't want it so the republicans shut down the govt until they get what they want
that's the backstory

>SO IT'S THE DEMOCRATS FAULT FOR NOT ALLOCATING THE MONEY

Once again, fuck off with this shit. They offered 1.3 billion for border security and you turned it down. We're not paying for your fucking wall that he promised Mexico would pay for it. Kill yourself.

Jesus Christ user learn to read. It's been said many times ITT:
>MOST ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS COME HERE LEGALLY, THEN OVERSTAY THEIR VISAS

>offered to let the wall be built if we let in immigrants
Dems lol, who do they care about, not Americans that's for sure

So you're in favor of spending over $100,000 per illegal immigrant on something they can climb over or dig under?
Border security is one thing, the wall is another. According to most experts, the wall is unnecessary for maintaining a secure border.

How would you feel if you had to work without pay?

DACA recipients are already here. It applies to people who were brought here by their parents as children. Many of them don't speak a language other than English and don't remember any other country. They're Americans.

>Americans are more important than children
Yikes

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>cartels start blasting holes in the wall for fun, knowing that every time they do it the Americans have to pay for to fix it with taxes
They're going to ascend to a new level of smug

Americans want a wall. Trump got elected because americans want a wall.

They offered it for immigrants, they were just trying to undermine the wall literally

>cartels going to war with america
America is literally waiting for an excuse to take them out without invading mexico

Americans are more important than nonamerican children. thanks for admitting it though

DACA doesn't let in immigrants you mouthbreather

>Americans want a wall. Trump got elected because americans want a wall.
Wrong.
"Most voters oppose President Trump's demand for border wall funding, but think that the White House and congressional Democrats should compromise on funding for the president's long-promised project, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released exclusively to The Hill.
The survey found that 56 percent of respondents do not support the president's proposal to construct a wall along the southern border, compared to 44 percent who do."
thehill.com/homenews/administration/423099-poll-majorities-oppose-trumps-wall-funding-demand-call-for-compromise

If you want to play mental gymnastics dipshit I can do that too. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary Clinton and she won the popular vote. Americans didn't vote for a wall.

>Trying to undermine the wall.

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I'm done talking to a wall.

>a small majority doesn't want the wall built, America must love immigrants!!!!

Yes because America is so great at dealing with guerilla warriors. It would just be Afghanistan 2 Electric Boogaloo

>here's 25M for a wall
>but also accept DACA which will completely invalidate it

Fuckn dems. Literally enemy of the state-tier

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were not a wall were trying too build a wall dumass!

>bring in immigrants isn't undermining an anti immigration measure

>strawmanning this hard
A 12 point lead isn't a small majority you drooling moron

You know what's truly fucked up? There's pieces of shit like you that care more about a fucking wall in the desert that'll do nothing than having a better healthcare system for this country.

That's what's fucked up.

How does DACA invalidate the wall?? DACA RECIPIENTS ARE ALREADY HERE YOU DOLT

>DACA recipients are already here

They should be quarantined, ridiculed and made completely unwelcome.

Any support of DACA will encourage more of these people

>They're Americans.

No, no they are not

DACA
RECIPIENTS
ARE
ALREADY
HERE

>Strawman
>Not having an actual rebuttal

El oh el

Immigration is an issue, there are other issues but you trying to distract from immigration is harmful

the same should be done but with drumpflets

>They should be quarantined, ridiculed and made completely unwelcome.

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THAT
DOESNT
MAKE
IT
OKAY

okay I think my point was clear but okay

>President of the United Trump in a recorded statement: I will own the shutdown. It will be my shutdown.
>United States Government shuts down.
>(You): It's the Dems shutdown.

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Illegal immigration isn't as big of an issue as it once was. Illegal border crossings are following a 15 year downward trend. There are other, more pressing issues that have a MUCH larger impact upon the economy (student loan debt and medical costs are the biggest ones) but Trump gave up trying to replace Obamacare for some reason

Doesn't even matter whose fault it is tbhqwyfamalamadingdong, trump had two years to get funding before the dems had the house. This shutdown is making Trump look like a fucking goober and it's going to cost him the election if he doesn't get the wall soon.

>dems don't care about Americans as much as foreigners
Pretty much yeah

>cockaroach infestation.
>instead of bulding traps, make "Deferred Action for Cockaroaches Arrivals" (DACA)

Lol, wtf

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Yeah but it completely rebuts your argument. DACA recipients cannot possibly undermine a wall because they're already here you dipshit

Immigration is the issue not illegal immigration. You know allowing immigrants keeps the countries they come from as shit holes right?

Is that seriously what you're getting uppity about, semantics

>millions of cockroaches already inside your house
>I KNOW LETS BUILD A WALL
>can't cockroaches climb up walls?
>FUCK YOU LIBTARD MAGA

Immigration always been an issue dipshit but we aren't having a migration crisis like Europe is.

You spent two years trying to remove the affordable Care act with two branches of the government in your favor and couldn't do it.

And before you spout some other bullshit about how I'm taking away from the MAIN issue at hand which isn't about immigration, it's about funding the government. YOU and the orangutan in the white house made it about immigration. The fact that you are trying to argue that it's reasonable for almost a million people to work without pay because you aren't 5 billion for a wall shows how close minded and selfish you are.

>he does it for free
lol, government employees are just glorified jannies at this point

Isn't it the case that Trump literally cannot build a wall anyway because the majority of the border is either privately owned land or already developed American and Mexican towns and cities?

Aren't getting* 5 billion for a wall

America was built on the backs of immigrants. Why stop now?

It's not semantics. If you weren't struggling to remember to breathe right now you might have been able to realize that.