1. Are you volcel or incel?
2. Do you believe that being incel is possible (do you believe that no matter what one did to change they would be incapable of consensually acquiring a lover)?
>If volcel:
3. What is your rationale behind being celibate? Is this permenant?
>If incel:
3. What factors make you incapable of getting a lover?
4. Are you a misogynist?
1. incel
2. Yes
3. Bad health: low testosterone, schizophrenia, bad teeth and jaw etc...
4.Yes
1. What
2. No
3. What
4. Feminist
>Volcel
>No
>I'm lazy and dont like to do anything other than be on the pee see
>No, i am pro-feminist
Feel free to be verbose and you can expand on #4 to explain mysoginistic vs misanthropic beliefs
1. not sure
2. The incel could potentially money/status max, even if he is one of the most ugly men on earth he could still get some pussy, but love is another issue.
3. Social anxiety, manlet, bad eye area, chinlet, bad teeth
4. Misogyny doesn't exist.
1. Volcel
2. Yes
3. Waiting till marriage so not permanent (hopefully)
4. No
>1
Volcel, i guess.
The way i see it, anyone could go to a hooker for sex but i still have some self respect left to not actually do that.
If hookers count as cheating, i'd count as an incel though
>2 and 3
I believe anyone through events in their lives can end up having sex. I've come very close to normiehood myself a couple of times but now i'm as deep as it gets.
Namely, once you make friends with normies, they'll try to help you out, setting up dates for you. Eventually some girl will settle. Thats what normies mean by 'putting yourself out there'. If you have no friends, like me, you're fucked.
>4
I guess not. I actually know a couple of girls irl i respect more than i do to many dudes. If, like me, have given up on trying and approach them without even trying anything on them, they behave like completely normal people.
The cocky and snob mindset of most girls is exactly what a dude would be like, if he got that amount of attention and so much easy sex. I dont hate the player, hate the game.
>Are you volcel or incel?
i consider myself a volcel since i never tried to date someone and have the money to pay for a prostitute if i wanted to
>Do you believe that being incel is possible (do you believe that no matter what one did to change they would be incapable of consensually acquiring a lover)?
depends on what you mean by lover.
if you mean having a girlfriend, then yes i can imagine being an incel is possible otherwise no
>What is your rationale behind being celibate?
i find interacting with other people irl incredibly exhausting and avoid them as much as possible
>Is this permenant?
i guess so. time will tell
>Are you a misogynist?
no
i dislike most people but gender doesnt really play a role in my judgment of others
1. a mixture of both I guess, I could probably get some but due to my inability/fear of opening myself up emotionally, I remain alone
2. I believe that everyone is able to self improve, and that incels feel more comfortable as they are
3. as mentioned above
4. no, I am an egalitarian, I believe that women should be able to do what men can do, granted they meet the same requirements, for example, I have no problem with female firefighters if said female firefighters can carry an obese man out of a burning building
Hookers obviously count as cheating
1. I don't really know
I never ever tried to get girls and I never felt like I could get one anyway, so I don't know which category I fit
2. Yes if you're ugly like a sin or are unable to change for someone you will never get anyone
1-incel
2-yes, unless you rape someone
3-I'm retarded, passive, probably expect too much or too clingy, been fed retarded exagerations of love.
4-no, not really, I know in the end it's my own problem to get laid.
Not a virgin.
No.
Celibacy sounds fun but maybe not worth it.
I had lots of trouble when I was younger because of meme anxiety until I learned girls are just as awkward and dumb.
Mysoginy jokes are funny, but who has time to hate half the population.
1.volcel but an incel would say that I'm coping because of my looks(I disagree though, I certainly don't look as bad as that albanian dude with the call of duty shirt)
2. Yes, but you need to have absolutely shitty looks and on top of that a huge lack of social skills
3.to improve myself and chase high goals
4.nah, but feminists would say that I am because I dislike feminism and I would like women to accept their nature and be feminine(instead of trying to be like men)
Volcel
I'm a very dark second-gen immigrant and my parents haven't exactly raised me up to be culturally indian. I can't speak indian and I don't have the the option of arranged marriage. So I'm pretty low on the dating scale. Aside from that, I'm horribly pessimistic and painfully dull so I figured I'd do myself and the entire female population on earth a favor and not attempt anything.
I don't hate women
1. Volcel
2. No, I think everyone can get a gf, unless you're borderline retarded and I don't mean that as an insult
3. I want to have sex only after I get married, condom sex is still being virgin
4. No, I believe there are differences between men and women and each gender is better at something. Also, men and woman think differently. At this age it's forbidden to say this so people would perceive me as misogynist.
>1
Depends, I'd like to have sex but dont do anything about it. People call that volcel but I'm not voluntarily celibate, I just can't be assed to find a girl who likes me.
>2
Of course it is. Idk how true 80-20 is but there's certainly a part of the male population that is not getting any no matter what.
>3
Mostly the fact that I don't have a social life and that I'm extremely bitter about how my life has turned out. Also general lack of socialization and social media use during my life has made it practically impossible to meet new people out of my own accord or to have text conversations with girls that will ever go anywhere.
>4
Kind of a misanthrope. Yeah I hate women in general but that's because I hate people in general and I hate men much more. Not Chads tho but normal people that enable this fucked up society and are glad for shitty jobs, treat girls like they're holy, have entry level taste in everything with no substance at all, think education has any worth in itself, etc. Could be ranting all day.
1. Not deliberately celibate, but voluntarily rejected the prostitution option so you do the semantics!
2. Yes (no) There's a difference between not managing to do something and being technically incapable.
3. In my current situation (over 40 and living with parents) there doesn't seem to be much point. Once I get my own place I'll download Bumble.
4. No.
1. Nether.
2. Yes
3. Does not apply
4. Proudly so.
5. Fuck you.
It's hard to tell if I'm an incel or volcel.
I'm certainly not Chad. But I'm also socially isolated and have never actively pursued a woman. The rationale is that for a long time I had sexual trauma that made sexual thoughts for me very skewed and difficult. I'm slightly misogynist now but it's mostly a compensation for the years I spent believing in romanticism and Disney fairy tales.
1. Volcel
2. Yes, born with deformities or just extremely unattractive features will do it
3. There's no real reason, I'm just too lazy to better myself
4. I don't think I am, I sometimes think of sexist shit but I don't hate all women
>i would say volcel but there's no practical difference if you don't seek it out
>no, but the necessary steps are probably more trouble than a truly bottom of the barrel person would be willing to take
>severe neurodivergence, probably permanent
>no
1. I'd say a mix of both. I both don't care to be in a relationship, wouldn't seek one out and I am incapable.
2. Yep
3. I'm ugly, weird a fuck. I've actually improved my social awkwardness a shit ton and managed to be more confident. Also learning not to give a fuck what people think, which was what was holding me back a lot. I'm still weird.
4. No, but yes. My rational brain can differentiate outliers and understand that grouping things together (Especially since I've been in groups that are generalized) is generally a fucking stupid and naive thing to do and that you'd have to be genuinely fucking stupid to give in to that monkey-brained bullshit. Yet here I am. My irrational brain does all of that and more. I can't control it as much as I thought I could and it's what solidified my belief in free will. As much of a tangent as that is.
vol
there are tons of uggos and fatties desperate for a man, so no.
hate women, want no part of their game
see above
>1. Are you volcel or incel
probably incel but I try not to identify as one
>2.
I try not to think about that much. I try to not think I am different or flawed.
>3
shit job, no car, not being a men, shit genes, being neurotic, being more famine than masculine, living with parents, 5 years spend in freshman year, shameful past, not being ambitious at all, I still don't know what I want to do in my life, pleasing others instead of me. I know girls don't give a shit much about money but I just don't understand anything. You get the idea.
>4. Are you a misogynist?
I used to like men more before but currently I enjoy talking with women more. They are much less annoying and somehow I am just little curious about them. I was neglecting existence of females for long time. I am 25 yo btw lol
1 incel
2 probably
3 way to clingy, cant talk to women
4 no
Volcel
Yes, being incel is very possible
The woman who wanted to fuck me was a friend's girlfriend and batshit insane, and I didn't feel like being involved with women at that time
I certainly am
>1. Are you volcel or incel?
Incel, mostly
I did decline a drunk girl making moves in college, as I didn't want my first time being with someone I didn't know. I was explicitly asked.
>2. Do you believe that being incel is possible?
Some people have personalities about themselves that they cannot inherently change. There are certain personalities which do not lend themselves to being in a close relationship with another person. It's easy to put on a mask (personality wise) for the sole purpose of a night out, but some people don't want to do that.
>3. What factors make you incapable of getting a lover?
It's low on the list of things in my life I need to sort out. I have never tried approaching a girl or asking one out. Usually avoid most social things in the first place. Have usually been considered a hermit in most friend groups that I have, and I never talk to people outside of them and rarely inside. I don't believe I am bad looking, though look somewhat disheveled and homeless.
Main reason is I don't let anyone close out of fear. Fear of what, I do not know (embarrassment, intimacy, etc). I keep friends and family distant. I kept hoping I'd meet someone where things would click, but it never happened. Seeing as how I never meet new people, that makes sense. Those I do meet, I keep at arms length. I'm afraid to try online dating as I don't want to embarrass myself, and I figure that I have nothing to offer in the first place. I'd rather not burden someone with my existence. I've been alone most my life, so I don't have a clue as to the etiquette. Also, likely on the spectrum so I most likely miss most social cues. Most other friends are getting married at this point, so there's little chance of meeting someone through them.
>4. Are you a misogynist?
No.
I believe there are inherent sexual differences and am egalitarian (equality of opportunity, not outcome) which puts me at odds with the current iterations of feminist thinking.
1.Vol
2. Yes. Couple of reasons, but the one that seems most prominent is the inability to introspect and be honest with yourself. Humans tell themselves a LOT of bullshit, and it's easy to believe when your brain is manufacturing it for itself.
3. I have taken many series of choices that take me away from a path of physical human contact. Several thousand hours of videogames instead of socializing. Not going to parties. Not hiring an escort. Not spending a buttload of money I've had at previous points in the past to go see people who haven't demonstrated an interest in me but live far fucking away (and not paying any serious attention to the delirious gay dude that whined for some conversation once in Skype)
4. No, the only people in my family I and 50/50 of friends and acquaintances I respect are women
volcel
no
i dont think i should go through more trouble than a woman to get sex.
I dont think her pussy is worth a dime more than my dick is and that we should just agree that their mating choices are outdated.
However i understand how the free market works so i will just never have sex.
Not really, i think women are somewhat inferior but thats not even true in most cases exept physical power.
>Are you volcel or incel?
Volcel
>Do you believe that being incel is possible (do you believe that no matter what one did to change they would be incapable of consensually acquiring a lover)?
I believe if they were to lower their standards, then they could acquire a lover, but I don't think love lasts forever.
>What is your rationale behind being celibate? Is this permenant?
What I want out of a partner is unrealistic and cannot be satisfied any other way. Love doesn't last forever and there is always an end to a relationship. It would all be for a waste. It's better to learn to enjoy yourself by yourself than to rely on others. It's like an addiction. Once you started feeling that infatuation, you would want more of it, chasing for what you thought was love for many partners. I'd rather be alone and learn to live with myself.
1:Volcel
2:Yes
3:Ugly, High Anxiety,No need to try,Laziness
4:Yes
neither
yes, some people are just very ugly and damaged, but most people arent actual incels
1. volcel
2. yes
3. i don't feel like wasting my life chasing women
4. i don't think so
>nonvirgin volcel
>although i technically agree that any incel can make it out, I don't agree that all of them will, and the odds aren't necessarily worth trying for even if you can succeed
>not that good looking
>yes. I don't want to be but they're spoiled
1. Volcel.
2. I mean, I'd be very surprised if someone like Lizzie Velasquez managed to find a lover, truthfully.
3. Got out of a very long relationship a year ago and I'm still recovering, as it were. I'm also struggling to get my shit together as I reach my mid twenties and partners, as nice as they are, can get in the way. It's not permanent.
4. A bit, but I had a fucked up childhood and I am doing my best to correct some of the views that stemmed from it.
>Lizzie Velasquez managed to find a lover
You mean that worlds ugliest woman who goes on dates and friend zoned her asian friend
The same one, yes.
1. Incel
2. Yes
3. No idea. I'm decent looking, dress well, am fit and well-groomed, have a steady job, a house, two cars, a variety of hobbies, can cook well, travel often, etc. Women simply have no interest in me in that way. I go on dates that go well, then things simply fizzle out, and I've never been able to understand why. Even when I ask, I get answers like, "you'd be a good boyfriend, but...I don't know why?" I suspect that maybe it's because I'm too good at living independently, and have been since I was 13, so there's no gap that I feel an aggressive need to fill.
4. No. Why be angry at fate? I was simply born in the wrong era.
1. Are you volcel or incel?
>a mix of both
2. Do you believe that being incel is possible (do you believe that no matter what one did to change they would be incapable of consensually acquiring a lover)?
>Yes, there are few cases, but you can't check the whole country for a date, and there's also the fact that the older the more difficult it is, youth is very appealing.
>If volcel:
3. What is your rationale behind being celibate? Is this permenant?
>It's not permanent, the person I like (oneitis) is far away from me, we don't know each other and the age gap is significant (i'm younger), so right now I'm stuck. In the future I will aproach that person if I have the chance and the confidence.
>If incel:
3. What factors make you incapable of getting a lover?
>Bad skin, in lot of contexts. I'm a loner and I enjoy it, so perhaps it's difficult to explain my social situation to someone, they would probably automatically think I'm just a loser with no friends that wants to pretend that has everything under control. As I said above, I have no interest in finding any partner because of my oneitis.
4. Are you a misogynist?
>I dislike many of the women of my age I see everyday, but the same happens with the men, so no.
1. I'm primarily a volcel, mostly because I don't really try. I detract points from myself for being a hapa and a fat fuck, but my nearly identical brother used to be both and he's significantly more chad-like than I am.
2. There's some cases, sure, but it isn't even close to the level that Jow Forums would make you believe it is.
3. It's not 100% voluntary, I've tried and failed before, but recently I've been trying to adopt the attitude that it doesn't really matter. I'll find someone when I find someone, and until then I'll work on improving myself.
4. Ehhh, not really. I mean, I'll acknowledge some significant disparity between men and women but I don't actively think women are all whores.
1. Incel
2. Yes, me (and probably only me)
3. Autism, low self-esteem, bad posture
4. No
>1. Are you volcel or incel?
Volcel
>2. Do you believe that being incel is possible?
Yes
>(do you believe that no matter what one did to change they would be incapable of consensually acquiring a lover)?
No
>If volcel:
>3. What is your rationale behind being celibate? Is this permenant?
The fact that i refuse to do/try romantic/lewd shit with someone unless i love her. And even if i fall in love with someone, i must feel that i'm good enough for that person, because if i feel that i'm too shitty or that i would make her have a bad time, then i wouldn't pursue a relationship with that girl, no matter how much i like her.
>4. Are you a misogynist?
No, however, i was a gynophobe for a good part of My life.
1. and 3. I'm holding off till marriage on the grounds it's hypocritical to expect my future spouse to be a virgin but I can play around with pussy.
2. 100% possible life is very fucking cruel and forces many into situations they can not win. I mean for fucksakes if you are under 5'10(ish) have weak upper body strength and have a face of a potato nobody is going to want you around unless you got maximum charm skills.
4. No. Humans are irrational and opportunists. Everyone does the maximum of what they can get away with and bitches when they see someone they think can get away with more.
1. Volcel
2. Technically I don't believe it's possible but prostitutes suck.
3. I am MGTOW. I'm not going to shill but red pilling helped me break out of my incel phase.
4. I think both genders have their strengths and weaknesses. Also no pussy pass. Fuck free passes for women because I'm sick of that shit.
1. Incel
It seems like when women date men they hustle them, so lately I haven't wanted to get a gf, but I haven't had any opportunities either.
2. It seems like the cards are stacked against men for going to college and getting a good job which prevents them from being able to start a family. Then with hookup culture people just drink and fuck which is to reprehensible to part take in, however if you're an outcast you can't even do that.
3. Answered
4. Lately, the aforementioned hustling has caused me to realize women are scum (pic related) but I still consider myself a White Knight in that I won't insult women for no reason. But I'll still get into flame wars with them online due to their scuminess.
>4.
That's a good way of looking at it user
1. Incel in my earlier years, from adolescence up to late 20's. Volcel since my late 30's to early 40's (now). In between is a bit of a gray zone.
2. Depends on the timescale. On the short timescale, very much possible -- change doesn't happen quickly for the things that truly matter. On the scale of 1-2 decades, a man can completely remake himself (which is what I chose to do).
3. I sacrificed everything to climb the ladder and improve my socio-economic situation well perhaps in truth I had very little of value to sacrifice. Just a little bit too used to being alone now, though -- not sure I still have the flexibility to remake myself again, by letting someone else into my life.
4. I am not. Mostly through exercise of deliberate emotional self-control. May all beings be happy.
I don't get your stance with your pic. Say the comedy of old where an ugly/manly woman is trying to chase the attractive guy for laughs, that was very common in the 50s - 90s. The joke didn't work if she was pretty/attractive. Hell their was a comedy called Shallow Hal in 2001 that only works as a comedy if you find fat women gross and ugly.
It seems more like you got lost big on the genetic lottery and you hate hearing the hard truth that most humans want pretty things to marry and/or fuck.
The point is women would date an evil man if he was hot. Men are the ones who marry caring and loving women.
1. volcel if anything, but I don't like following the typical Jow Forums group identity
2. yes and no. I think maybe it's possible, but the percentage of people who would be legitimately affected by it is so incredibly small I don't know if anyone on this board even is 100% "incel." the biggest factor to finding a lover is how many women you're exposed to, and most people here simply don't have things to do and places to go outside of their own homes. I think if they fixed that, other things would start falling into place.
3. I don't believe in sex before love, at least not for my first time. I had a gf last semester and it helped me realize just how inconsequential sex actually is. I ended up splitting it off a couple months ago because things weren't really working out, but if I really wanted I could have suffered through long enough to fuck her.
4. I don't think so, but our definitions might be different. I don't hate women for the fact that they're women, I'm just totally disgusted/put off/disappointed by a lot of women's behavior. I suppose I hate modern female culture, if there's such a thing. but no, I don't think I'm a misogynist.
>Men are the ones who marry caring and loving women.
I would strongly disagree and say both would date evil if they were attractive to what they wanted in a mate like said, people will get away with what they can. Consider their is a saying of "don't stick your dick in the crazy" which is to imply many guys have fuck evil/crazy women just because they were attractive.
It's a universally human thing.
Women are evil. True incels are White Knights.
>The point is women would date an evil man if he was hot
and? pretty sure most (especially young) people would date or fuck attractive people even if they animal killers for fun.
It's kinda like Stalin and Hitler, Stalin did a lot more evil shit and kill 3 times the amount Hitler did but we all hum on Hitler because the the guy has always look fucking creepy while Stalin look like a fun guy you play pool with at the bar. Halo Horn effect is real and both genders suffer it.
We already cut to the chase in this thread user
>Humans are irrational and opportunists. Everyone does the maximum of what they can get away with and bitches when they see someone they think can get away with more.
everyone will be as evil as what they think they can get away with
Incel
Yes because of either obesity, bad genetica or high inhibition
I only want a ride or die type gf
Im not a feminist because feminism destroys civilizations
1) Sort of between, I desperately want to fuck but I've also never even asked a woman out.
2) Yes of course.
3a) Depression/lack of effort put into pursuing women.
3b) Reclusive nature. Introversion. Low social status. Low self esteem. High inhibition.
4) I hate feminism but not women in general. Really slutty women gross me out.
"Do as thou wilt, that is the whole of our law" is from The Church of Satan. Plus it's obvious to say "anyone who can do evil will do evil" is a description of evilness.
>Are you volcel or incel?
1. Volcel I guess.
>do you believe that no matter what one did to change they would be incapable of consensually acquiring a lover
2. Depends what you mean, you can always lower standards but if you mean that some people have it so bad that they would have to lower their standards so low that the only people they could find would be people with no traits that were appealing to them/huge redflags, no matter how much the former improved, then yes. This is probably pretty unlikely but I won't deny that it's possible and applies to many robots here but not all and maybe not a majority. I feel like these incels would have red flags(inc. issues people can't help like mental disorders, shortness or ugliness) themselves/few favorable traits and could build new traits but it might not score them even the lowest they'd settle for. Life definitely ain't fair but it's wrong to assume the people who call themselves victims are all fair too so you have to clarify.
>3. What is your rationale behind being celibate? Is this permenant?
Anti-natalism, I'm open to a relationship with another AN and possibly adopting kids but I have no interest to pursue it at the moment.
>4. Are you a misogynist?
I'm a sex realist :^) Nah, I don't hate women but men and women frustrate me for different reasons and like reasons.
Volcel
2. havent gotten over a crush, have little desire to talk to women
3. Maybe not permanent but it will take a long fucking time
4. Absolutely
Numbered it wrong
2 is 3, 3 is 4
To answer no. 2, probably
1. Dunno, maybe incel
2. Yes, but it's more prevalent now than before
3. For 23 years, the closest I ever gone to a girl... is holding hand for 5 seconds and she did it only because there was a couple doing so in front of us.
I'm so invisible to females I'm considering making a movie due to how retarded some situations can be
Forgot 4
4. No when my brain speaks, Yes when the feels hits
Incels are extremely rare. Prostitutes exist and most people can afford one. Choosing not to fuck a hooker puts you squarely in the volcel camp.
>having sex with a hooker get rid of your celibacy
I don't think you understand the meaning of incel
Not sure what I am, I'm fat and might be decent looking if I lost it but I have no motivation to do it. I also have a small dick, shitty hair and poor plus mentally ill. I just fucking hate everyone not just women but my dislike for women is probably greater.
1. incel
2. no
3. i was a social sperg in high school (girls literally flirted with me and told me they liked me but i was too retarded to know how to react) and after i graduated, my family moved to some shitty rural town. of course now i can socialize normally or at least better than i did before, but it doesn't matter because i'm alone in this shitty fucking town
4. no
I don't think you do, friend. Porbly not original.
1. Volcel
2. It's very rare
3. Too scared to leave house to go on a date, also live with my parents
4. Misanthropist
1. Incel in the West, technically volcel if I move to Asia
2. Incel is never an absolute but for some people the chance to escape inceldom is infintesmally small depending on their life circumstances
3. Ugly asian-american male I have zero chance competing in the West, my only hope is to move to Asia but that's too much effort. I'll just die surrounded by my animes
1) no
2) yes but only in cases of extreme mental/physical deformities. You're not an Incel just because you have a weak jaw or are a manlet.
4) I dont think I am.