Why were our ancestors so much stronger than us?

Bro how could the television be fake, Trump uses it as a source too and he wouldn't lie to us

says user, as he proceeds to stuff his face full of his favorite potato chips, wiping his sweaty brow with his arm, and shifting his weight to get more comfortable in his chair, the poor thing moments away from breaking under him.

Cringe.

based retard.

Thank you, my fellow gentlemen of culture, for refuting my points in a most gentlemanly and intellectual matter. I was truly wrong for believing in such foolish things.

>more physically capable than top athletes
Lol no.
They’d easily outperform sedentary individuals but unless you are going so far back that they aren’t technically human any past person would get blown the fuck out by modern atheletes, especially enhanced ones.

this stop romanticizing the past if anything we should be more envious of our dads and grandfathers strength than the fucking cro-magnons

There's nothing to refute, absolute mouthbreather. Go back to ribbit.

They weren’t physically stronger.
Toughness and endurance != physical strength, you’re just making a dumb mistake

I really don't understand why common knowledge is only ever discussed here on Jow Forums. Contrarianism? There is very little to debate here. Athletes aren't even going through 10% of the physical work that early man went through, not to mention they had modern technology hold their little finger the entire time. They simply couldn't compete.
You're absolutely right. You can't refute something that's completely true, after all.
>walking and running long distances doesn't take muscular strength
What did he mean by this.

its common sense guys thats why its true that just it simple, im not a fuck up guys, its just obvious

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Frequency, the more low intensity high frequency the better for nattys

I assume you also believe the earth is flat, my friend?

>Why were our ancestors so much stronger than us?
Well... let's see
>They hunted giant prehistoric animals with nothing but sharp sticks and other primitive weapons... scaled mountain ranges and crossed oceans all before technology and modern equipment was even a thing.
You've answered your own question. Our ancestors were strong because they actually did stuff. It's really hard to be skinny when you are carrying animals back to your tribe, hacking at trees, and bending branches to make a hut. You will grow strong through your labor alone. It's hard to be fat when all food must be gathered before being eaten, you won't overeat because of the sheer amount of effort that would take.

Their lifestyle made them strong. Our lifestyle consists of sitting for most of the day and only getting up to move at the gym. The only comparable thing would be jobs requiring physical labor, like construction. But even that isn't as arduous.

What about ancient greek?

Grip strength studies have proven this. If we’ve gotten so much weaker since the 80’s, imagine how much it’s changed between now and pre-industrial times? Chopping wood, digging, tilling soil, caring for animals - ALL DAY EVERY DAY. They would have probably looked scrawny due to nutrition but have iron grips.
> tfw no peasant forearms

If doing all that ye olde bullshit produced better athletes than modern training, then athletes would do that ye olde bullshit rather than modern training.

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They spent way more time exercising than we do.

What about the Tarahumara?

Don't be so cringey, you retard.

lack of agriculture and everyday is a struggle for survival

Could the average Jow Forumsizen draw a war bow found on the Mary Rose? I think not. Checkmate, modern cucks.

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How?
Abandon modern civilazation and go into some forest or jungle, only to die a few days later because modern man has next to no survival instincts and their bodies are no longer adapted to the harsh living conditions of the men of old?
Sadly, phsysically speaking, of course, we de-evolved. It would take years of abandoning the overly-cradled modern world to get back into our phsysical peak.

The average Jow Forumsizen doesn’t lift

True

>plagueofstrength.com/stemming-tide-of-deevolution/
>plagueofstrength.com/more-on-excellence-of-paleolithic-man/
>ucl.ac.uk/news/2019/jan/neanderthal-hunting-spears-could-kill-distance
>plagueofstrength.com/stop-being-pussy-go-fucking-fera/
>plagueofstrength.com/go-fucking-feral-2-emails/
>mpg.de/12728073/neandertals-main-food-source-was-definitely-meat

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>It's really hard to be skinny when you are carrying animals back to your tribe,
average BMI in paleo times was 20-21

this is quite possibly the gayest thread on this website at the moment. our ancestors on average were manlets with poor nutrition. anyone who actually works out would fucking dominate them.

why the fuck is this thread made every two days?

You think some uncontacted tribesman from the amazon or whatever is going to be able to outperform a modern athlete at anything other than eating bugs and shooting monkeys with blow darts?
Or did he also inexplicably weaken despite having no contact with the modern world or its comforts?

My 4 year old niece would beat them at Candy Crush.

>bro just like if we got a bunch of humans from 10,000 years ago and put them up against usain bolt on the 100 metre sprint they would totally dominate him!
>oh yh life was so hard then, god it was so cool! humans nowadays are so weak and frail.

Sure strong grips, but picking one measure of strength, and the one that has likely declined the most as an example is bullshit. Also in that study you’re comparing general populations, not actually Jow Forums people
>the limiting factor in long distance is muscle strength
How fat are you? I was a skinny twink when I did cross-country, no one was “strong” everyone was a fucking skelly. Endurance is NOT the same as strength

Also untrue.
They were actually taller than us.

history textbooks
mostly
>hunter gatherers
>largely nomadic
you're berrypicker as fuck, btw

The archers drawing those bows were trained for years with lighter draw weight bows. That is a specific movement and not indicative of overall strength. I’m sure the average non archer of the day couldn’t draw a war bow either.

based retard

For the love of god, no one is going to go to your shitty blogs. You have been exposed here for being a 5'7 roided out manlet who starred in a homosexual porno. no one wants to read your blogs or buy your meth pre workouts.

>Life is exercise
>Become strong
Golly gee I wonder
The real question is why were our ancestors so much smarter than OP?

>the living conditions of today's tribesmen are the same as the living conditions of ancient man thousands of years ago
Ah, is seems like our ancestors are actually smarter than us as well. Well, smarter than you, at least.
Actually, you're quite right. The average of their men could run almost as fast as Bolt, on muddied ground. They could most certainly outperform him both in speed and encurance.
>humans nowadays are so weak and frail
I mean, you're getting your inflated ego tickled by your own ancestors right now. If your ego is so fragile, I can't imagine your body being in any better consition. Sorry.

Lmao sure it wasn’t like they got to rape preteen Indian princesses and steal their huge amounts of wealth

Care to enlighten me as to how they are different?

That's bullshit.

Testosterone has decreased in males 30% in just the last 30 YEARS.

We've evolved to be a more collective species, a more group oriented and social species. The only way that can happen is by the reduction of testosterone in males, so they don't go around pillaging fucking and killing one another.

Homo sapiens just a thousand years ago had way way way higher testosterone.

Everything about modern living is not conducive to being strong in the wild. Ofcourse hunter gatherers had 2k+ testosterone. They literally had to run barefoot through the forest like a chimpanzee and hunt their food.

Honestly your psuedo-science means you don't have a god damn clue about evolutionary biology or human beings. Even the native american indians had better diets then the settlers that arrived in america. Just because things were harder didn't mean they didn't thrive.

Your entire body is built to adapt and survive.

Yeah, no. We evolved from literal chimpanzees. A chimpanzee even in modern time can rip your limbs off. The way we evolved was to be more conducive with tribal behavior, so testosterone has been reduced massively. Neanderthals had way way way higher testosterone, thats why eastern/northern europeans and asians with 3% neanderthal genes shitstomp in strength competition

we're literally 60-70% as strong as a 1970s man. even 100 years ago the testosterone levels would have blown the fuck out of modern humans.

>test levels have dropped 30% in the past 30 years so it must have been even higher a 100 years ago
Holy shit you’re such a brainlet it’s painful. The 30% dip in testerone correlates almost perfectly with rising obesity rates since the 70’s. No the men living in 100AD did not have test levels 2000% times higher than the modern male. God you’re such a retard

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I don't know, maybe because things like this existed?
Not to mention the harsher climate. And those are only two examples.

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>animals back then : more powerful than the animals of today
Jow Forums : oh yeah, that makes sense
>humans back then : more powerful than the humans of today
Jow Forums : WHAT THE FUCK NO THAT MAKES NO SENSE BRAINLET

>tfw 70% polack
>tfw 3% Neanderthal
hell yeah budday, now if only I wasn't a lanklet haha kill me

Yeah no shit. Aswell as all of the manmade chemicals and compounds introduced into the environment, the rise of agriculture and onions based products.

You're a fucking retard, honestly, you genuinely believe human beings have the highest testosterone yet, you don't know fuck all about anything you're talking about.

Hunter gatherer human beings, ones that survived harsh terrain and from hunting, pre-agriculture, DID have 100s of % higher testosterone then males today, and the neanderthals did too! who even disputes this shit.

Nothing about modern living is conducive to having high testosterone

>animals that have time difference numbering in the dozens of millennia are the same as changes occuring within less than 5 millennia
Lrn to timescale brainlet

I feel like my genes are pretty old since I gain muscle extremely easily and im a naturally fast sprinter without training

brainlets everywhere!

>the rise of agriculture
Did not occur in the past 30 years. You keep trying to argue that a person with suboptimal nutrition, who struggles to have enough food to survive, will somehow, magically, gain the ability to outlift someone who is 100 lbs of lean muscle mass heavier than them.
Also that they somehow can generate more than 2,000ng/dL of test naturally, despite the fact that even the most extreme fraud wouldn’t inject 1,000ng/dL, at least not for long.
Fuck off with your shitty blog and stop shilling it here you fag manlet

you have to be a troll at this point.

Do you even know what caused our brains to grow to the sizes they are now? It's called red meat.

Do you even know that human beings hunt by endurance athletics? Do you even know that our defense against predators is to throw rocks tribally at predators?

You have no clue what you're talking about, and no clue about testosterone, you need to literally look as far as a chimpanzee, which is 10x stronger then a human being. Are chimpanzees starving and malnourished? can a little skinny chimpanzee not lift 100 lbs more then a human?

You're mistaking some inflated body builder muscles with the strength you get from testosterone, and they don't compare at all.

You've got a lot of research to do. Flat out, you're incredibly wrong about everything here today. Humans have evolved to have lower testosterone and be more collective and social. This is science based fact. Marauding neanderthals would have had the strength to kill 10 men. It's not even close.

Go read some evolutionary biology. Most hunter-gatherers except those in famine had better diets then even modern humans.

>the most extreme fraud wouldn’t inject 1,000ng/dL
Lmao you clearly have no clue what any of those numbers even mean. I'm on TRT, not blasting and cruising, just plain old TRT through a doctor, and I inject 220 MILIGRAMS of test a week, and my average free test is well over 1300 ng/dL. Stop trying to pretend like you know what you're talking about. Your numbers are nonsense.

OP you're a retard

>chimpanzee, which is 10x stronger then a human being
Oh great it’s a joe rogan poster.
No chimps are not 10x stronger than the average human.
>But the “five times” figure was refuted 20 years after Bauman’s experiments. In 1943, Glen Finch of the Yale primate laboratory rigged an apparatus to test the arm strength of eight captive chimpanzees. An adult male chimp, he found, pulled about the same weight as an adult man.
slate.com/technology/2009/02/how-strong-is-a-chimpanzee-really.html
Considering the average weight of a chimps 130lbs thats pretty good, but chimps aren’t 10x stronger.
You’re a moron who reads too many fairytales and jacks off to greek sculptures of men. Now fuck off Rogan and go back to bitching about marijuana and BJJ

They're about 1.5x stronger lb for lb. Literally was just reading about it yesterday lol. Please, continue flinging shit at each other though I'm enjoying this.

Yes 1.5, but thats also for comparisons with untrained humans, since if we’re thinking about the same study they basically did it with zoo visitors I think.

Neanderthals we're bulkier than we are, they had heavier bones therefore more muscle mass

not him, but there is a trend of decreasing t levels , ADJUSTED for obesity. the trend exists among people really young moreover. obesity is a cop-out. i think is right. people are a different breed nowadays, literally genetically, than 1000s of years ago. the diferences in grip strength even today reflect the lineage of societies that survived on violence, hunter-gathering, war, etc, vs. agriculturalists(chinks, indians, etc.). our ancestors were genetically undomesticated, its like comparing wolves (our ancestors) vs. labradors or chihuahuas (us unfortunately)

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Actually might be an underrated post. We're weaker as a species because manlets have been able to breed when they would of been eaten by lions. Now those vermin have infested our gene pool.

Most ideas about people in ancient eras being better are based on things like bone density
google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2614780/amp/How-FARMERS-fitter-athletes-Human-strength-speed-peaked-7-300-years-ago-declining-rapidly.html
Which may have been more due to a difference in genetics

Or feats,
barbend.com/badass-feats-strength-ancient-world/amp/
which are unreliable anecdotes. There is also the matter of Pheidippides, who might have not actually existed to do a spartamarathon (some people have beaten his time, though!).

It is unlikely that people of that era could defeat the best athletes of our time in anything except extreme endurance rowing.

Anything else you want to pull out of your ass other than cronmagnon mans made up 40 yard dash time?

>huge amounts of wealth
Do you mean the creeks and valleys that they traded for shiny beads?

Maybe he’s talking about the spaniards and the mayans?

Aztecs, i mean aztecs

>hunted giant prehistoric animals with nothing but sharp sticks
Yeah man. They sure were tough for nailing a cancer-ridden elderly mammoth with atlatl spam and following it until it bled out. Truly astounding muscles, lemme tell ya.

The ONLY thing those cave DYELS had on us was cardio if even. Literally everything else about our bodies has improved as long as you're not from America or the UK

>why the fuck is this thread made every two days?
It's made by the same handful of DYELs who have never achieved anything on their own, so they look to their ANNESISTERS and pretend that their imaginary achievements are theirs to own.

>going pre historic human mode
>not going even further back and reverting to our pre-human evolutionary ancestors
lol @ u nigga

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>bears user lol
>what are lions
>what are tigers
>what are elephants
>what are Nile crocodiles
>what are Australian crocodiles
>what are great white sharks
>what are orcas

>'modern humans' (Homo sapiens)
Where did you get your anthropology degree? A bucket of GNC protein? We're homo sapiens sapiens you clown mutt

keked and saved

Neolithic woman had on average the upper body strength of modern elite weightlifters. Civilization made man skft.

>citation needed
Just because malnourished women are stronger than YOU doesn't mean they're stronger than everyone

>wrong lessons
Disregarded, faggot.

Because that was necessary for them to survive. For better or worse, neither strength or smarts are critical for survival. We can just pass out on the couch

Sure. They were stronger than even the football players in this study. Face it, we're much weaker than our ancestors. Why this bothers your inflamed asspussy I'll never know.

google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/2017/11/prehistoric-women-manual-labor-stronger-athletes-science

What sort of training program would you need to accomplish the same effect?

>They hunted giant prehistoric animals

They mostly hunted small game like rabbits

"Football players" meaning modern, female soccer players. And that's not "elite weightlifters."

"Interlimb strength proportions among Neolithic, Bronze Age, and Iron Age women were most similar to those of living semi-elite rowers"

and

"Prehistoric female tibial rigidity at all time periods was highly variable, but differed little from living sedentary women on average, and was significantly lower than that of living runners and football players."

So they had strong arms from doing manual labor, but not stronger than modern people who train arms. Wow.

You're an idiot.

I can't even imagine how he thinks this was measured.

I think he's referring to Neanderthals, which followed and hunted Mammoths

Yes when humans were hunter gatherers they we probably much stronger and more athletic than the modern man due to a diet rich in protein and constant strenuous exercise. Due to the agricultural revolution man grew shorter in stature and had more physical deformities. It is said that the early greek tribes were recorded to be about 5’9 compared to the much shorter average height of 5’5 just three hundred years later. Also observe the dental problems that were prevalent with the children of the industrial revolution compared to the perfect oral health of the aboriginal hunter gatherer tribes. However any modern man worth his salt today can absolutely destroy a hunter gatherer with the right nutrition and training regimen.

>350lb human
>Sustainable in the fucking ice age
What sort of fucking Jow Forumstard propaganda is this?

Are you seriously comparing the absolute pussy ass bears we have today to the giant short faced bear who was the size of a fucking elephant?
And not just the bears. Lions, hyenas, wolves, everything back then was super sized. You're a fucking retard.

The average man from that era couldn't either.

>onions based

Beer is far more estrogenic than s o i

>He can't hunt lmao1mammoth

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IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES

They wanted to survive. We don't need to work anywhere near as hard to survive these days