Fuck all of you fags, niggers, and other lefties

That's still a ban. Because they can't be sold anymore, you're SOL if you lose one or one of your "high capacity" magazines breaks.

They're trying to do the same shit in Washington too.

Honestly, fuck grandfather clauses because all they do is make people complacent because "At least I get to keep the ones I already bought."

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I say we revolt against the bans and start a civil war 2

So are you preparing a militia for a Chinese invasion? The state restricts the sale of nuclear weapons too and I don't see you complaining about that.

It won't pass for a number of reasons. Believe it or not most people in oregon who vote left are dumb 20 years olds and npcs in the portland area. They don't actually turn out for state votes like this. Every other area of oregon is super awake on the gun issue. Many of them use them to hunt. Don't like people fucking with them. This won't pass.

It's also completely unconstitutional but that won't stop the retards from trying.

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Duh hurrrrrrr you can't buy a nuclear weapon so why would you be allowed to own a small firearm Buhdurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Tell me you are not genuinely this much of a retard. Holy fuck why do I have to share the earth with people this retarded? How the fuck do you dress yourself?

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You say that until you see the high concentration of homeless people in portland that literally wield makeshift weapons. I'm sure the cops will respond right quick when they get high as shit and start fucking attacking you in broad daylight.

Oh wait, the average response time for the police is like 9 minutes in portland. Maybe they're busy responding to all of the black dudes in rockwood that have their guns illegally. Oh well it's not like someone who's high as shit onmeth can do much damage in nine minutes with a knife or a makeshift club. Your gf will only get a little bit raped.

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What possible purpose does an automatic firearm or a handgun serve that could not be served equally well by a .22LR semi-auomatic rife? Those are weapons for killing people, just like a nuclear bomb, and they should be just as illegal.

>5 rounds or more
so i literally couldn't have my boring as fuck 12 gauge shotgun. that's "high capacity" now?

Not in Oregon, but the idea of taking away peoples weapons is definitely a bad idea. The entire reason we got the 2nd amendment was to protect our property, and to give us the power to overthrow the government in case it turned on the American people, and I do not see anyone being able to fight back with a .22

I really don't think upgrading to an assault rifle is going to protect you from the drone strikes and main battle tanks. The idea that civilians armed with whatever they bought at a gun show can take down the most powerful military to ever exist is a farce. If you invested all of the money you spent on guns into stocks and bonds you might have enough money to actually affect the government.

i think at the core of it, it's just giving people the dignity of having a final say over their life and their circumstances. if a society can't do that without shooting itself up, then it's got worse problems than guns. solving it by taking that dignity away turns people into cattle.

Conservatives are hilarious, aren't they?
>"We need a strong military with cutting-edge combined arms capability to dominate anyone who challenges it!"
>"We need small arms to overthrow the government with!"

the american military has never been able to beat guerrillas though, just other standing armies. on top of that its home supply chain would be compromised and it would be at risk of defection and insubordination 100x worse than vietnam. deploying tanks and carpet bombing against your own population means that after you win you'll be ruling over rubble.

Sheer scale necessitates a number of things you fucking barely mouthbreathing breathing sack of shit.

Nuclear weapons require maintenance. They can literally wipe out an entire city in a moment if they're fucking mishandled. Your right's end where other people rights begin. Because a single person cannot maintain a nuclear fucking weapon safely, we do not let people keep them. It's not even legal for the state to use them, according to international law. A firearm due to it's small scale of it's function when owned by a single person, is necessarily more often intended for personal defence.
If you don't fundamentally believe that people have the right to self preservation, then we may as well go the route of england and start arresting people for having potato peelers on the bus. That's not to mention the various other ways in which people use firearms, for hunting, for leisure.

Read the fucking bill, it's entirely targeting semi automatic firearms. Do you know why? Because automatic firearms have been illegal for private ownership for some time now. A fact I find fucking disgusting.

Weapons are not all the same fucking thing. God fucking dammit. The fact that you are this fucking stupid and still throwing your weight around on this issue is such an embarrassment. The government figured out how to dismantle the constitution and become tyrannical. You are just the useful idiot catalyst.

Right which is why the USA totally won the shit out of vietnam. They were fighting a militia of untrained peasants in the middle of nowhere, but they had better weapons so it was an instant victory.

This isn't even going into the idea that the average military serviceman would not attack his own countrymen.

I want you to look around and tell me that American conservatives have even 1/100th the balls that the average Viet Kong had.

Even conceding that a comparison between firearms and nuclear weapons is a bit much, why do you need the guns? They benefit you in no way. If you want to defend yourself, a tazer can do that without killing anyone. If you want to hunt, a .22LR single-shot rifle is more than enough. I'm not going to let people shoot up malls so that you can stroke Vira at night.

Desperate times bring out desperate people. Besides military defection is a thing. Most of the military is conservative and gun loving.

I've met some pretty paranoid and jacked conservatives fresh out of the military. It would be a bigger, better trained force than the VC.

you're dehumanizing both the north vietnamese. they were just as terrified as the american conscripts going to fight them. the only reason it seems otherwise is because the only good info we have on them is viet cong propaganda or reports from traitor journalists.

Most of the military would defect. Not only that but i am positive they would help train the civilians in case the government turned tyrannical

>a tazer can do that without killing anyone
my impression is cities that want to ban guns also want to ban tazers. tazers also are single shot and less effective than a bullet.

>If you want to hunt, a .22LR single-shot rifle is more than enough
this is factually incorrect and lazy

And every conservative I know is arthritic 50-something who believes everything he sees on Fox News. The Viet Kong were used to conditions that only the poorest modern Americans even come close to experiencing. If anything, Pvt. Gomer Pyle fresh out of basic with a ton of automatic weapons and PTSD sounds like the worst foxhole buddy I can imagine. But go ahead and plan that revolt.

Yeah, it was dogshit for both sides. Maybe the lesson we should take away is that violence is usually a bad idea, not that we need guns to protect us from the government.

Jesus Christ. What are all these lefties doing on this imageboard

there are worse things than bilateral violence, like unilateral state violence or just straight hopeless tyranny. i'd rather live in a civil war than north korea.

I agree, rather die fighting than be forced into that shithole of a scneario

"A bit much" try absolutely fucking retarded.

You have never tried to use a taser clearly. Try looking up some videos of cops trying to tase people and them just shrugging it off because it hit cloth. Or videos of people getting tazed and ignoring it because they're high as shit and big. Tasers fail a lot. Look it up on liveleak "Failed taser"

People are going to find ways to seriously hurt people in public with something if it's not guns. Frankly I'd rather have them using guns than bombs or trucks.

Jokes on you dickhead, I'm not stroking vira at night because I actually don't own a gun. I just understand the value of the human right to self preservation. I'm not allowed to in the building I live in because of some specialty laws due to the tenant base we manage. I'll tell you what though man, a gun would have been useful when the dude down the hall lost his shit and beat his girlfriend within an inch of his life. Coulda gone out there and stopped it. Without a gun I'm not taking my chances. He probably had one illegally. good thing there's like a 20 minute police response time in inner cities.

>my impression is cities that want to ban guns also want to ban tazers. tazers also are single shot and less effective than a bullet.

But they have a huge advantage in not killing anyone. Wouldn't it be nice to live in a society where we know killing each other is not an option?

>this is factually incorrect and lazy
Fuck you, I know guys who hunt exclusively with bow and arrow. If you need a shotgun to kill a deer you're a fucking terrible hunter.

Tazers arent effective all of the time. If im backed in a corner I want something that will get the job done
.

>I am being threatened with being deposed because people don't like me.
>I got it! I'll just nuke my own country!

Tazers are a huge gamble, if it works it'll work for 5 minutes, and if it doesn't work your ass is gonna get beaten.

>You have never tried to use a taser clearly. Try looking up some videos of cops trying to tase people and them just shrugging it off because it hit cloth. Or videos of people getting tazed and ignoring it because they're high as shit and big. Tasers fail a lot. Look it up on liveleak "Failed taser"

Yeah, because I solve my problems without hurting anyone at all. If people develop those tools our world will be better for everyone.

>People are going to find ways to seriously hurt people in public with something if it's not guns. Frankly I'd rather have them using guns than bombs or trucks.

Good. Take away as many options as possible. Maybe it will provoke them into rethinking their terrible plan instead of giving them an obvious solution.

>Jokes on you dickhead, I'm not stroking vira at night because I actually don't own a gun. I just understand the value of the human right to self preservation. I'm not allowed to in the building I live in because of some specialty laws due to the tenant base we manage. I'll tell you what though man, a gun would have been useful when the dude down the hall lost his shit and beat his girlfriend within an inch of his life. Coulda gone out there and stopped it. Without a gun I'm not taking my chances. He probably had one illegally. good thing there's like a 20 minute police response time in inner cities.

I'm sorry you live in such a terrible place but guns have not and will not fix it.

>you can't kill someone without a weapon
>if guns are made illegal, criminals and niggers won't have guns either
>why do you even need a gun, it's violent and scary. tazers are way better
Holy shit dude are you actually retarded

Such a fucking retarded idea

"I have a stereotype about a group of people with political leanings that I refuse to drop because I'm a mental defective." is how that first sentence reads to me.

Does it not occur to you that the sheer chaos the revolt would cause is enough to defer the bad behavior on the part of the government? Great job making fun of people with PTSD and treating them as sub functional. You'll find those people can be quite tame in bad situations. Maybe if you understood literally anything you wouldn't be talking shit.

The bad people will always get weapons, whether legally or illegally. All you will be doing is pulling the guns away from the people who obey the law

>guns have not and will not fix it.
this is correct, guns don't fix society's ills nor do they cause them. governments need to do more than to show a marginal change in mortality statistics to take away peoples' property.

Why did you spend so much money on guns then? That was a risk you took.

I agree with you on most of this, except I don't think poor mental health creates mass shooters.

>you can't kill someone without a weapon

It's the difference between being able to click a button and order something or having to go out and search the whole mall for it. If killing people is hard and messy, then people will find other solutions.

>if guns are made illegal, criminals and niggers won't have guns either

They'll be hugely more expensive, and manufacturers will stick to military markets. You need only look at a country where guns are totally illegal to see there's a world of difference.

>>why do you even need a gun, it's violent and scary. tazers are way better

Why do you want to kill people? Don't you know that person can never come back? Would you really rather be shot than tazed?

>Holy shit dude are you actually retarded

I hate killing.

>Yeah, because I solve my problems without hurting anyone at all. If people develop those tools our world will be better for everyone.
And your problems extend only to your lefty college where nobody every gets hurt and everyone feels good
>Good. Take away as many options as possible. Maybe it will provoke them into rethinking their terrible plan instead of giving them an obvious solution.
An obvious solution is better than using shitty tasers which will work a third of the time
>I'm sorry you live in such a terrible place but guns have not and will not fix it.
>have not and will not fix it
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>Yeah, because I solve my problems without hurting anyone at all.
Have fun being broken or killed by an angry nigger you think won't hurt you because you're a pacifist

>I don't think poor mental health creates mass shooters.
what do you think the cause is? i'm pretty sure americans had about as many guns as ever in the past but as far as i know only since the 90s have we had this school shooting phenomenon.

Pacifists are able to continue existing because someone is protecting them.

It doesn't encourage them to rethink their plans, it makes their plans more destructive because they aren't going for the obvious answer. There's no reload time on a fucking bomb. Trucks plow through crouds and kill hundreds. Guns are less dangerous.

All the guns here are illegal because these people gave too much ground you know who does have guns? All of the people you really wouldn't want to have guns. The ones willing to break the law to have them.

I usually just lurk but I have something I want to add to this. Guns aren't the problems, nor is removing them the solution. We do have mass shootings and it is a problem, but access to guns doesn't make them shoot up a fucking school. People who would do that are people who have been failed by their families and society as a whole. Guns are not the biggest dog out there.

I'd rather shoot someone trying to kill me than attempt to get close enough to tazer them and keep tazing them until cops show up, yes

If you dismiss non-violent solutions don't be surprised when violence is used against you. My "lefty college" is such a nice place because people here invested in their kids instead of bullshit like guns.

So you're able to outshot a nigger with an illegal firearm 100% of the time? I'd rather neither of us have guns, thanks.

You have a brain! Congratulations friend. A rare thing in this day and age.

>My "lefty college" is such a nice place
it's a nice place because it's full of privileged rich people, no other reason.

healthcare has only improved over time though, so it doesn't make sense. people are not simply "crazier" than before.

>you're able to outshot a nigger with an illegal firearm 100% of the time?
I don't even know how to interpret this but my break's over so bye

Many black shootings hit unintended targets for a reason. They have bad aim because they're poorly trained. They just fire as many bullets at the target as they can, miss most. if someone with training is there and takes them down. That's the end of the story.

physical healthcare has, but i think mental healthcare is as bad as ever. i also think social alienation has got worse for young men which can definitely create mental issues.

Even if I can't 100% of the time, and chance is better than 0

using violence isn't always my first solution, nor is it the best, however it beats trying to negotiate peace when the person i'm in a life or death situation has an illegal firearm and nothing to lose

What do you need the internet for

idk if you are mentally ill or not, or if you have old parents (i have both), but before, if you got mentally ill, they would put you in a hospital forever and ignore you. now you can go to a doctor and get treated, like with any other problem.

>74 furniture on an akm
Arsenal tho so it's all good

Guess this finally died down huh?

>killing people should be illegal
didnt realize i shared this board with normalcattle

no offense but i would rather have mentally unstable people get institutionalized than given meds that they can just stop taking. on a broader level than just school shootings too, we really need somewhere to put mentally ill homeless people other than jail. they keep stabbing people in my city.

Thread finally died

but who won

It feels like pro-gun won

1) Dismantle the gun
2) Put the gun in some kind of secure box with mild to shit ton of ammo
3) Bury the box around 5 to 6 feet into the ground.
4) Cover it.
5) Unearth it when required.

You may now own pistols for self defense until the northwest rises.

Any gun legislation violates the Constitution, you have zero obligation to comply

>PNW rises
It would take a near apocalypse for us to do anything desu. If we've taken this much of this kind of thing to this point I don't think anything else would do a whole lot. WA passed a bump-stock ban in 2017-18 and this November had the 21 years old restriction pass in a referendum.

Montana and the Rockies are a thing. Plus here in Canada, north of Montana is Alberta which is by and far the most Conservative province. If we can push the kikes to the coast we're good.

OP here was gone for a few hours so gonna respond to some shit
hunting, range fuckery, looking cool (compensation), & protection
thats a bit of a relief, though i've been saving up for a thompson (automatic, pre-assult ban) that a guy is going to give me for 9k, so i wont really be able to buy that unless i wanna deal with a 4 round mag on a fucking thompson
i live in a rich neighborhood and despite this theres more crime here than some of the shittier ones because everyone is lax on security, so yes, someone will likely come for me in the future
trump got put in to the office despite all odds, honestly anything happened
desu he was really a dissapointment, and a lot of my family is broke from the government being closed
might as well say "what possible purpose does losing virginity have that could not be served equally by masturbation" or "what possible purpose does getting a stronger computer have that could not be served equally by a shitty delltop"
i dont need it, but i want it. i call it, auto virginity, and i want to loose it. ontop of that, all of my family members who i pass it onto will experience it aswell. either that or it'll get sold, but even then that still means someone will get to enjoy it.
yea because killing thousands of people is a good idea
even 5.56 mm (the caliber the ar15 commonly uses) is probably not enough stopping power for a deer, it'd wind up running a mile off before stopping and i'd loose the corpse or find it only for it to be soiled.
.22 at most is good for killing a rabbit, but even then i'm a little suspicious if you dont hit it in the right place. fucking dumbass, besides, i'd rather use a higher caliber than whatever is being used against me.
you're new here arent you
a little suprising that theres so many pro guns though honestly
yes you dont use a shotgun on a deer
you use 30-06 and similar
cont.

Not really new. I just havent been in an arguement like this

well you hurt yourself if you dont hurt them somehow
its extremely easy to make a gun, i've done it before with a pipe shotgun, completely legal too. cost me about 14 bucks and most of the materials and some shit laying around came from lowes, its reeeeaaaally easy.
i mean i'd rather be shot than beaten to death with a club or sword, or even stabbed, its also painless, so yea, its a step up if you think about it
niggers will get guns anyhow retard, like i said before, its really easy, you can make a semi auto into an auto with a coat hanger

Woo I was most of the pro gun argument so thank you. That's what years of living in the most left city in the US will do to you when you're a libertarian. My side of this debate has been honed.

Because he loves in Oregon, that is a wild animal traipses in.

Automatic rifles are banned federally, you have to get a expensive and hard to get permit to even hold one.

Do you think we would have won Vietnam if we had drone strikes and nukes back then?

Lmao just don't give them up

no because we did have those back then retard
you dont need a permit i dont think, its just stuff before 86 thats not banned
even then the gun itself would be atleast 2k generally, which in my case is gonna be 9k (if oregon laws dont go to shit)

I was using the Socratic method, I wasn't being serious.

vote libertarian and brainwash all the lefties into libertarianism, it's the only way bro

Actually, drones are going to emerge as the method of choice for crushing insurgencies/resistances/etc. The whole reason the VC were as effective as they were is that the US had to actually put boots on the ground. It's a whole different ballgame when they actually die when shot and you just order a new drone.

I bet drones will simultaneously emerge as a weapon of choice for insurgencies.

Gun rights are being encroached more and more with the excuse that the founding fathers didnt know technology would get better. That is a flat out lie. They literally lived in a time where things were constantly being improved upon. The goal is to disarm as many people so when the true ruling class comes out nothing can atop them from reintroducing fuedalism or se equally terrible system of imbalance. Thank you sjws for paving the way to toltalateriasism

>drones

black ops 2 will happen

can't wait for that shit

wait holup

kali yuga ends in 2025

bo2 takes place in 2025

welp shit

youtu.be/oD3ylxcTomE

> looking cool (compensation)
I wonder what you're compensating for, user