Who should pay on the first date?

Just about all roasties are prostitutes. Some are just more honest about it than others.

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The first date shouldn't more than a few bucks so it's not a big deal.

Whoever asks the other person out should pay, but if you want to impress a woman you should pay no matter what. It's traditional.

Then there's your answer

sorry girls don't ask you out user

Usually girls pay for me*

*works only if you are a Chad

it depends who asks who out. if the man asks the woman out, he should pay unless the woman wants to split it. if the woman asks the man out, they should split it.

Shit's outdated, it isn't the good ol' days and there are no guarantees. Bitches can pay for their own shit.
>If he doesn't offer, he'll be useless anyway.
Get a job, you scrub bitch.

I pay if the date went so-so but if the girl is pretty into me i let her pay or split.
I think woman usually want the guy to pay but if she's really into you it'll be the reverse because she wants you badly

Tbh if they paid for the first date and told me there wouldn't be a second I wouldn't be too fussed. I had a free meal.

>women should work
You're an ignorant modernist pig and you deserve to be alone and never know virtue.

women will pay for attractive mans meal,
women will be very offended if average/ugly man doesnt pay to show his gratitude for her spending her precious time on him.

Im a huge sperg but ive never payed (even for myself) on a date and ive never been the one to deny a second date

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Most women have always worked, you historically illiterate moron. The vast majority of people who have existed have been poor and couldn't afford to have a person sit on their ass doing nothing. If anything, your simp "virtue" is what's modernist and has enabled women to live off of having a vagina and indulge in hedonism and vice as opposed to doing anything constructive.

>implying this will be relevant to any robot

If you care that much about who pays or doesn't pay the first date, you're the real beta.

As a feeeeemale, I can say that having to pay for some dude cuz he "forgets his wallet" or wants to be "alpha" by having me pay for him isn't getting a second date. If you're too poor to buy your own food, you're too poor to pay for my damn crotch goblins.

what about guys who want to split the bill.

Offer to pay and if she wants to split she'll let you know.

Not her but also a female

I was raised in a culture where the man always pays, so I will offer to pay and if she wants to split it then I won't force the issue.

i thought these girls wanted equality. it would only be fair to split date expenses evenly now that there are more women in the workforce that have their own money and dont need to depend on a man

Then what's the problem? Shouldn't you be fine with this, hmmm?

But what if I want to split? Shouldn't I let her know?

You can, but it will make you look like a cheap bastard. It's a little offensive. I'm not saying it's fair in any way, but that's the way it is.

>females

You are smelly faggot traps and you know it.

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To be honest I just don't want to be used for food. I'm not investing anything in a first date if I've barely talked to the girl before.

So don't go out with some random whore who is using you? You won't get a second date if you make her pay. Take her somewhere cheap and fucking pay for the meal. You probably think I'm being ridiculous right now, but I'm trying to help you.

Then I guess any woman who wants to split the check is a cheap bitch, and any woman who wants the man to pay is a REALLY cheap bitch.

Does it matter what I think? I always split the bill. Most women aren't as desperate as I am and will not bother with a man who can't even buy dinner on the first date. Take it as you will. I'm giving you solid advice.

I'd never make her pay for me. I know nothing about dating but it seems everybody meets online these days and even before that the common thing seemed to be asking a random hirl to get coffee and chat. It seems like asking out people one already knows is what causes the friendzone.
I obviously know that the man is supposed to pay for every fucking date but I fucking hate that as a concept.
Whatever I'll continue being alone.

Depends on the man, you know as well as I do that certain men can get away with whatever. I can get away with a decent amount, good friend of mine was a male model and he could do whatever the fuck he wants and they would still come running. Quit pretending like it is some fucking chivalrous shit, you are just cheap.

I'm glad you want to split the bill, but you said a man who wants to split the bill is a cheap bastard. All I'm saying is that if we apply that standard symmetrically, then even the women who want to split the bill are cheap bitches.

So you are a cheap bitch by your standard, and I'm a cheap bastard by your standard.

>I obviously know that the man is supposed to pay for every fucking date
Pay for the FIRST date. You can split after that and she should offer to pay for dates when you are a couple. You are trying to impress her on the first date so you get a call back. I'm so sorry if that's not the answer you want to hear. You seem like you've given up before even giving yourself a chance.

>a male model and he could do whatever the fuck he wants
Are you a male model? No? Then shell out for the first date. It's going to make you look more desirable. Shame you can't understand what I'm telling you; I'll be more blunt. You are basically a loser who posts on Jow Forums. You need to pay the first date because you have nothing going for you.

>But what if I want to split? Shouldn't I let her know?
Modern day women might get mad at you for being toxically masculine by not letting her pay or split the bill.
She don't need no man and sheeeit.

I have been going through a financial rut lately so my gf has been paying for my food when we go out. Feels good man.

But seriously, in modern society, where women have equal rights and pursue their careers to have their own property and their own lives, it is only fair for them to share the responsibility as well. The couple should decide who pays based on each other's situations or kindness regardless of gender.

Unfortunately, women want equal, I mean, preferential treatement but not the responsibility. And pathetic men let them.

Depends on the kind of date, how expensive it is, how much money you make, if you already know the girl, and how you met her. There's no one right way to do it.

If I like the girl and see she isn't a total waste of my time, I don't mind paying at all. However, if I feel like my time has been wasted, I'll cover my half of the bill and tip directly to the server.

>Pay for the FIRST date. You can split after that and she should offer to pay for dates when you are a couple.
that makes no sense to me. surely the dude is supposed to take care of somebody he cares about? surely throughout recent history the dude was the primary breadwinner?
>You seem like you've given up before even giving yourself a chance.
Man I'll never understand romance. It's not just this concept but everything about love. I've been alone too long.
If I ever do a date I'm not taking her any place we have to spend money.

I don't have to date, i just fuck other people's wives in the ass. I am considered pretty attractive by most, enough to where people point it out but I am mentally fucked. Telling me about myself is interesting though, listening to some retard broad that self admits she is desperate, then goes on the usual "ur ugly and fail" bullshit is hilarious. For reference, I am extremely muscular, white and I have a very defined jaw, I don't have a problem attracting people, I have a problem with violence and mental stability.

women would starve to death without men
why do they think they should be able to place ANY demands or standards on men

you are positively transparent.

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This is all roastieposting. The cognitive dissonance is palpable.
Go hike in morroco.

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When i go on a date i always tell them, i pay the first round, you the second.

kinda works.

>women are guarranteed employment via affirmative action and hiring quotas.
>women are guarranteed education via affirmative action and scholarship quotas.
>women have been destroying the very fabric of society with aggressive feminism for 60+ years now.

>you are still expected to pay for her dinner.

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The man should pay every time if he likes a woman enough to ask her out or she won't see him as someone who can take care of her and her crotch spawn when she needs to leave work to raise them. Also coffee makes a lot of people shit, and lots of people won't shit in public bathrooms so don't be surprised if your coffee date ends early. They might just have to go shit.

Whoever ACCEPTS the invitation should pay. This is because asking someone out is a form of risky social labor, helps make matches, and it should be incentivized.

The answer is both should split the bill
Why would I pay for a date's meal, if I wouldn't normally do the same for a close friend?

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If you don't show the woman that you plan on being the one on top and owning her physically and financially then she'll think she's on top and can do whatever the fuck she wants with you

I always offer to pay on the first date. Her response is a great way to tell if she's worthwhile.

Chads get women to buy them things. Be a Chad.

No one. No one should date. Just fuck each other on Tinder and die alone. No kids. Just end humanity. It sounds edgy but why bother having more children. "Muh biology" fuck off. "Muh creation of life" just continuing a cycle of birth, suffering, and death. Dating is fucking gay and I just cannot bring myself to be interested in a woman anymore.

Each one pays for what one's ordered. I'm not paying shit for no bitch, as I'm not her father, nor I intend to be.

Separate bill.

If she wants free food like a pathetic leech, she can go to a homeless shelter or something

What's the risk exactly? That you get told "no"? Boo hoo. Asking someone out is risk-free because rejection doesn't cost anything.

If you invited her - you pay. If she invited you - she pays or separated bills. Basic fucking etiquette.

people dont date anymore. all those valentines decorations at the supermarket are for old people

Would it be alpha to very confidently assert that you have no money and don't intend to buy anything from the cafe the two of you are going to?

Women have never "worked" as a man has worked, you dumb nigger.

Depends on who asked who for the date. If I offer the first date, then I would pay, but if she was the one that asked me, then she ought to pay.

t. a cuck lord

Whichever person proffered the invitation can be expected to pay, unless otherwise specified and understood prior to acceptance.

The above is a general rule of etiquette, not specific to dating. The idea that men should pay on dates is a reflection of it being far more common for men to ask out women than vice versa.

seeing all those whores in the comments is disgusting. Both people should pay or take turns.

Sounds more awkward. Maybe some women would find it alpha if you're very attractive. But then it wouldn't really matter, would it?

so you would pay for a goodnight kiss, you idiot?

implying i'd get a date in the first place

>He's poor if he doesnt pay
what does that make you stupid whore?

>if she wants to split
thats literally not the idea of a split and this is a retarded way to handle paying anything. if they want to split they should decide it before. what kinda retard offers to pay and hopes someone won't want a free meal?

You are looking at it the wrong way. It's not about poor your being used for a meal, it's about getting the second date. You want the second date? Pay for the damn dinner. Grow up, son.

>pay me money and i'll date you
literal prostitution, you trash whore

>Who should pay on the first date?

Whoever proposed it.
This seems obvious and simple.

i don't want a second date to give somebody second meal for free

Is this a white/asian thing? I ask because I've only dated Mexican women (no choice because I live in Texas) and they've always paid for themselves.

if she believes she deserves equal to men rights then she can pay an equal amount as well, simple as that.

when sexism imposes on men and helps women
>teehee just the way it is silly boys

when sexism imposes on women and helps men
>IT'S THE CURRENT FUCKING YEAR YOU PIG REEEEEEE

women are a meme

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It's easy to understand why no one ITT has ever had a gf. You're too far up your own asses playing victim to be a man and take your date out to dinner. Do you think it's attractive when the loser who still lives with his parents won't even pay for dinner?

>you're mad about being exploited by women for free food?
>what are you a virgin?!?!?

I'll tell you what I fucking do; after the main course I order dessert, and while we're waiting for it I "go to the bathroom" and duck out the back.

Imagine working your ass off and having a stable income to get some used up roastie because you are a real man

yeah it's pretty funny actually
they even already admit that feminism doesn't pushes for the equal rights but for the rights for women, feel the difference

either you pay half or you can proceed to chase the chad

If you can successfully give her the impression that you've made that sort of offer to other women and they've agreed to the conditions, you might pique her interest enough that she'll buy you some coffee to figure out what they saw in you.

The PUA cargo cult refers to this as "abundance mentality": you're saying and doing shit that most men would avoid because they don't want to risk ruining the date, but you don't give a shit; if this girl doesn't work out, there's always the next one.

Imagine finally getting your first date and you blow it because you have a grudge against feminists.

That's fine; it won't get you laid, but it will get you a free dinner.

Well the first date should be something easy like getting coffee together, so you should just buy your own.

Serious answer? It depends. In the past, the social obligations of men and women were different to how they are today. Men were expected to devote their lives to earning money while women were expected to devote themselves to homemaking and child-rearing. As such, it was not expected of women to work and earn their own money, and therefore the honus fell on men to pick up cheques in restaurants. Today, the situation is different. Women are not expected to be homemakers, therefore they can pay for their own food. In a dinner date situation, both parties should offer to split the bill. However, one may offer to pay for the whole thing, where a woman may accept. men with pride will not

Why would a guy want a second date with anyone who is such a failure she can't afford to feed herself?

no-one
first dates should involve stealing shit

haha, yeah! That will show her. You are special, too!

You are not obligated to be a thot's meal ticket.

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i sometimes think that Jow Forums has a decent share of uggos, fatties and thots who think they can exploit robots because those are lonely. it's disgusting desu

if it's even a question why not just fucking split the bill

used to be that way, user. now? youll have to ask Chad.

it does
there are a lot of roasties on r9k trying to amass orbiters, or just attention whoring
this thread alone has several whores trying to justify why they feel entitled to a free meal

Imagine being saved by your grudge so you dont get used as a meal ticket by a used up roastie.

used to be a man could enjoy a fine meal in the company of a woman, user. back then they didnt have cars, and they walked 20 miles both ways to reach the nearest mom and pop diner off the beaten path.

Are you really willing to blow it with someone you like who actually says yes to a date because you want to prove some stupid point? Paying for the first date doesn't mean you always have to pay. It's almost like you want to ruin your chances at having a gf.

I don't let men pay for me, I never have. That doesn't mean that most women won't be turned off if you push the check at her after dinner. It's not like you'll be taking someone out to a fancy expensive restaurant on the first date. The point is to impress her. I'm not trying to trick you and I don't think it's fair, but you can't deny that she could easily find someone who will treat her better if you don't care enough to try. You aren't the one with the power during the first date, she is. I'm trying to help you.