You guys are always complaining about how you don't have a GF but have you even tried to ask a girl out?

I'm not bringing her back to my parents house.

Yup, tried every method people suggested for years, got me nowhere.

I'm sure they'll be too relieved that you're not gay to care about the hog you've wrangled.

>Yup, tried every method people suggested for years, got me nowhere.
you have to not use "methods" try to be yourself

this to be honest
i can't remember a time past 6th grade where i didn't feel uncomfortable and nervous interacting with females
all a woman has to do is point at you and your life could be ruined, its not worth it

They're uptight religious people. I'd have to convince them we were just friends. Better to just ignore women if you can't fuck one even if they would come over to your parents house.

What? I'm not talking about a fake personality, it means I've tried every avenue. I tried online dating but I got bare minimum responses at best, tried asking friends girlfriends to set me up but they just dodged the question, tried clubs and bars but they all brought in dudes with them and never let go, I've tried various social groups like clubs or classes but they all have boyfriends that they can't shut up about and my not bothering at all in the last two years invalidates the advice of "it will happen when you stop trying so hard"

yeah, nah

it'd be like a hobo asking out some chick who's all dressed up

no that's too scary

you guys are legitimately fucking retarded and deserve your fates, honestly

>"girls do a thing that proves their hypergamous nature"
>HUUUUURRRR YOURE FUCKING RETARDED

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golly you are dumb, im glad you're not happy

I've done it a million times (telepathically) and they've all rejected me.

i'm actually very happy
i don't have to worry about women trying to ruin my life because i actively ignore them

no.
i've never known a girl well enough where asking her out wouldn't be weird, and i'm not into asking out strangers (not that that would work for me lol).

>have you even tried to ask a girl out?
No. Why would I ask a girl out if I know she's going to say no? Better to be lonely at least partially by choice than to get rejected a million times and slowly become bitter and hateful.

Flirt, talk or even look too long ( That one is actually in the 'sexual harassment' charter of most western universities ) at any woman as an ugly male, and you are a creep at best, a rapist at worst.

Nope, never. No point in trying. I'm a low tier guy at best and women are surrounded by better men than me and can easily find better men than me online. No point in trying, they can easily do better than me.

What social context do you deem realistically suitable for asking a girl out, other than a dating site owned by match.com?

And why do we take it for granted that girls shouldn't be expected to ask guys out now that girls have allowed traditional courtship behavior to be destroyed and expectations of marriage to become offensive?

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you mean asking out on a date or actually asking her to be my gf?
I have done both, but the later usually comes after a few dates, if I have a good enough time with them why not pursue something more intimate?
besides if I'm going on dates with them is usually because we are pretty damn similar, I would never pursue something if that were not the case, I have learned it's just a waste of time otherwise.

Based and redpilled. The mental gymnastics these guys have is ridiculous. And I have even met people from here. They are pretty good looking on average and have interesting talents. Absolutely terrible, self-defeating attitude though.

Everyone asks girls out, even chads thats the rules of western culture. They just dont have to run game as hard as the rest of us.

I've literally never met one worth pursuing, so no.

Stiiiiill waiting to hear about where I'm supposed to talk to women other than a dating service owned by match.com.

I assume that you are, in fact, aware of the popularity of dating services. Please explain to me what the socially acceptable alternative is.

apart from one occasion I've always asked the girl out, whether they were single or not. i think it just comes naturally to some but you can always learn. the other day there was this random girl at a train station staring into the distance with her earbuds in. i waved my hand to get her attention and I told her she was wearing some nice boots. i meant nothing more by that, gotta keep my loyalty. the thing is, she really seemed to appreciate it smiled and we talked for a really short while. from there it would've been child's play to ask her out cause you've got a bit of a flow going. you just got to take control, take them by suprise. the meme that they'll all say 'fuck off creep' needs to leave your head if you want to stand even the SLIGHTEST chance. furthermore if the girl has to be the leader or feels like things are up to her, she'll get turned off (except if you're in a lambo, at which point she's just into you for the money and status anyway so fuck that). it's you who should be clearly going straight for a goal: getting her.

"hi how's your day (:"
that's begging to get friendZONED because that's friendTALK, and too often i see robots try this, post an SS here and then ask for help (2late). fuck that. whip out your true intentions like your cock and show you mean business with something more to the point. chit-chat with her later on a date or after sex when it's appropriate. face-to-face, chats are to arrange meetups

that direct approach shows determination which is a thing that makes you something called INTERESTING. what reason are you going to give a girl to hang with you ? nobody's entitled to shit, bring something to the table whatever it is and then maybe will people like you. OBVIOUSLY all this will not work if you approach a loud group of stacies (you could exploit this though, maybe next lesson) or if you either a massive sperg/super unlucky in terms of looks. best tip, don't fall into Jow Forums's retarded black-white thinking. RL isnt an imageboard

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>staring into the distance with her earbuds in.
>i waved my hand to get her attention
>just to say "nice boots"
>when you supposedly already have a gf

nobody is actually this retarded

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I'll tell you who isn't getting hit on. Is this dumb bitch who I tried talking to on OKCupid, so then she deactivated her account after one response. Coincidentally I now see her public sometimes, and wouldn't you know I'm just not particularly photogenic! Except I also heard her bitching to her coworkers about how guys only try to talk to her on dating sites.

NOPE. NOT JUMPING THROUGH HOOPS. GET YOUR BEARD FIX FROM AN ACTUAL SUCKER. I'M TIRED OF LIFE BEING SO FUCKING HARD, SO IF YOU'RE HANDING OUT FREEBIES LET'S TALK, OTHERWISE FUCK YOU.

I'm slightly jaded with the current dating culture.

believe it or not, but some people don't think of girls as mythical creatures. you can just engage in small-talk with them sometimes. they're people too. im headed for 6 years with my gf, i dont give a fuck anymore anyway, if i think that girl's boots look good and I want to tell her, I'll tell her. nothing retarded about a legitimate compliment.

Do you work in an office
Are there women
Do you possess the ability to become friends with them

If yes then you can eventually get them to set you up with their friends. It is easy, I have done it on accident multiple times.

>believe it or not, but some girls don't think of themselves as mythical creatures.
THE EVIDENCE IS SCARCE IMO

I see. "Befriend a woman with the hope she will match you up with a different woman."
But why the redirection? Why not just find a woman who will match you up with herself?

literally going out of your way to compliment a stranger who's wearing earphones is something i'd expect from a socially inept autist
>small talk with women
i don't even small talk with people, why would i do that with women?
>women are people too
yes, sneaky and manipulative shitty people with no regard for anything but their own feelings
why should i interrupt my whole life for some roastie who's just going to drain me both mentally and financially until she gets bored and leaves for the next one?

I have actually. Went on a date once, she left halfway through because she said she could tell I didn't know what I was doing, or something like that. Of course, this was after I paid for a nice meal.
Haven't tried since, it was pretty depressing. This was about 5 or so years ago.

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>the meme that they'll all say 'fuck off creep'

When you're ugly. Must be great for you not to be ugly. I've heard women talking about telling guys who tried pulling off that shit with them in public transit/work/wherever to fuck off and mind their own business a thousand times.

>i don't even small talk with people, why would i do that with women?
Are women another species or what?

women dont want small talk unless you're attractive

That is the misdirection. You need to believe in your own story. Hint that you are interested in a blind date with your primary goal being exactly that. If there is a spark of interest within her she will try to subtly redirect you to her instead of her friends. If you try to go for her head on it will be too noticeable, if you try deception you may slip up. Believe the lie.

not what I said but there are these types out there who think they own the world. now be honest, why would you even realize their existence ? imagine actually being with one of these shallow, nagging high-maintenance monsters.

>literally going out of your way to compliment a stranger who's wearing earphones is something i'd expect from a socially inept autist
I hope you're from not too much of a shit-hole cause this seems to sound VERY foreign to you, but yeah it's actually not uncommon here to do that.
>i don't even small talk with people, why would i do that with women?
who the fuck said you had to ? i just stated that it's possible to do so. just go about your day your own way
>why should i interrupt my whole life for some roastie who's just going to drain me both mentally and financially until she gets bored and leaves for the next one?
the cynicism and black-white thinking is absolutely dripping of your words mate. sounds like you still miss her. anyway, like I said, you don't HAVE to find a girl. im just explaining approaches. if you're so against finding yourself a woman, this is the dumbest thread you could click on. go about your own day and life mate

At least you got to the date part user, i just get ghosted after asking, feelsbad

And do you realize that you're kind of making my point for me, that it's socially unacceptable to pursue women outside of a fucked up digital meat market where they hold all the cards and they all just fuck the same guy?

yep. I mentioned that, if you're just really unlucky in looks or very clumsy in social situations, it's really playing on expert+ mode. I won't deny that either.

Is rape a cheat-code

kek, yeah I think so. enjoy the trips, gave me a fair chuckle

I was not paying attention to your point to be truthful, I was just offering advice. Being bitter and blaming society will not get you a women. Play the game or do not, makes no difference to me. I am already married, the accidental blind dates I mentioned were truly accidents because I was not even on the market.

The premise of this thread is that I can just cold approach women like it's the 80's. It's basically "leave the basement" except it ignores the fact that I basically have to get to Chad's basement for there to be any difference.

If you can just scam your way around the problem, then more power to you, though.

Cold approaching a woman has always been impossible unless you were a 10/10 chad. The OP premise merely asks if anyone here has ever asked a woman out. The technique taken to achieve this result is never specified so, presumably no strategy is barred from the OP question.

The point that the OP was making, as I understand it, is that the only certainty for failure is not to play the game. Have you played the game?

No, I have not yet manipulated my coworkers into thinking they're my friends so I can get a letter of recommendation yet.

different poster, and I'm not sure what OP exactly meant with the thread so I won't go in on that. I think something everybody here should be aware of is Jow Forums among other things that makes you believe that it's either tinder hypergamy where girls do indeed hold the cards or 80s cold approach that could potentially end with a girl calling the cops in the worst case scenario. there's no more inbetween in Jow Forums's doom scenario, while it doesn't work like that when you turn off the computer. half of the shit people are afraid of here are gone when they turn their PC off and go outside. but they will be too anxious and potentially bitter to recognize the potential nice stuff happening around them. don't settle with that mindset, it won't work. take it from a depressed guy that's slowly killing himself (not for girl reasons), Jow Forums's way of chad/virgin banter is gonna make insecure people believe that they're royally fucked before having failed and won a few times, thus wasting their potential.

I agree with your post except
>Cold approaching a woman has always been impossible unless you were a 10/10 chad
this is simply not true. my hairline is shit, 15 year olds can be taller than me, i was depressed and my wingman was a guy way back from elementary who's all about RTS/grand strategy games and trust me he doesn't afraid to talk about this to girls. I think girls sense the mindset of not believing in a cold approach, you gotta go all in. i fought a battle that seemed lost from the beginning when I walked into the venue with this dude, I just thought to myself "fuck I want that singing girl" and went in blindly. after the show I just walked up to her. this was 2013 and we're still together. my hairline is even worse now and I don't give any more shits. "WORK OUT N JUS DO IT BRAH" is bullshit, but nice things can still happen in this world.

I appreciate your advice and your concern, but I still feel that you, like that other user, are simply unaware of the scope of this match.com problem. It feels like you as well be telling me "just speak to their fathers" or something. "Just go to a ball and court an unwed lady."

Why would any girl put up with some dumbass she met irl when she can go hold court on tinder and just filter?

I never said manipulate your coworkers. I said be friendly and do NOT try to approach them head on, ask directly for their aid once you are friends. The whole point was NOT to manipulate them, be clear about what you want. There is a small chance that it will lure the coworker instead of the intended blind date but YOU are not in any way manipulating the situation to that end, it is just a potential outcome.

Unfortunately I can already see even from our limited interaction that becoming friendly with humans, let alone women, is going to be a struggle for you, so just keep being a big grumpy baby man. You will die alone if you do not try to change your outlook.

It's at that point you need to do some self reflection and figure out what it is about you that's causing women to not respond. If your mate's girlfriends aren't willing to help set you up, that should be a giant red flag that you have some serious flaw. But considering you are here and in this position, you are probably super autistic or misogynistic in the way you speak and act that you don't notice it.

I understood what you meant. I need redirect my efforts by pursuing friendships with people who can help me. You think I'm just being difficult, but the reason it matters whether that's a good answer is that it's the only suggested implementation of OP's ideas. I just think it's telling that first it's "just go outside" but then when pressed, *this* is what anyone can actually come up with.

But yeah, I'm completely out-of-phase with society, and this Earth probably doesn't deserve to have any more of my DNA around.

That is pretty impressive man, not going to lie. I was lucky, always had women that were friends ask me out growing up. The only time I ever asked a woman out I had to galvanize all my courage to ask her out after over a year of friendship. Never managed to simply walk up to a stranger and try.

I get what you're saying. that's why I'm trying to explain that there are more tactics than direct approach or tinder, the nuance. "give her a firm handshake and tell her you'll pound her straight in the pussy" is indeed just bullshit that some people get stuck on, but let's look upwards instead

>Why would any girl put up with some dumbass she met irl when she can go hold court on tinder and just filter?
Why would YOU want a girl that just judges people on tinder all day until she finds someone rich ? Lay off the Jow Forums and rebuild your self-image friend. you sound like you want a more warm kind of person, which seem rare but do exist. of course the tinder whores will seem like the majority, and I dont know the numbers but let me try to put it some other way.

you never hear about safe drives, you rarely hear of near-crashes, you always hear about it when cars crash. we can't conclude that cars always crash from this.

now i admit the shitty tinder girls aren't just the 1%, it's worse than that and I agree but there's also a fair bunch out there who are equally pretty (without 20 layers of make-up), probably way more skilled (not relying on just being a slut) but they're not in the spotlights so we don't hear of them. people are all in these stupid "women hate" threads, focusing on the women they hate when you never know who you might meet at whatever place / situation / time in the world.

You're probably right. Hopefully some younger user listens and finds someone.

That would make me happy. I did manage to score and now I'm throwing it all away cause of depression and alcoholism

I appreciate your measured response to my harsh criticism, it shows you are more than capable of adapting. Please do not take this next statement with any undo harshness...but you are not special. Every human on earth has a bag of insecurities and frustrations, the successful ones are those that keep them subdued and press on.

You will have to change things about yourself in order to be compatible with others. We all do, sometimes it is obvious things like working on your anger or being less selfish but often it is difficult things like being too shy or awkward. It is an endless process, my wife and I still have issues with each other. Our willingness to smooth these issues out has made us stronger.

Just saying oh it is the fault of society that I am alone is defeatist. You have given up rather than try to figure out the problem.

This is very good advice. If your friends can see your red flags then you should ask them for advice. This is a great place to start, other people are worse off than you because they might not even have friends.

everyone is entitled to basic human decency :)

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but what if I'm a degenerate and want a girl to ask me out?

Because youre not chad lol

I think so as well, but not to affection

9 girls in the 37 years of existence I've endured. Rejected 10 times. Haven't really thought about why I don't ask more often.

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I agree. Why do I have to be the one to do that, especially when the girl knows she probably won't get rejected.

>that should be a giant red flag that you have some serious flaw

Yeah it's called I'm genetic trash.

>9 attempts
>10 rejections

I'll bite. Where's the extra from?

I asked out someone a second time after she made out with me a week later. She stole my first kiss and I thought she changed her mind after that. Left me more confused than anything else.

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No. When I was in 8th grade, I told a girl I had a crush on and was sort of friends with that I liked her, and she looked at me with a look of disgust and never spoke to me again. I was a huge autist back then, though. Nowadays, I just can't seem to find any girls that I would be compatible with. If I could find one, I would probably ask her out. I think I've finally developed the social skills necessary in order to make it work, I just can't find the right sort of girl or boy.

This could be your flaw. Not that you are trash but they you are calling yourself that. People pick up on stuff like that and when you don't see yourself as having any worth, no one else is going to treat you that way either. You probably expel that same energy when talking to girls or when you're around them. My best mate is 350lbs but he dates and gets laid regularly and not to just fat chicksbut real qt's,, becauseharismatic and fun to be around. He doesn't let the negative things he thinks about himself come out around other people.

Sorry for typos, I'm phoneposting outside and my screen is wet from rain.

im abandoning ship lads, getting too drunk. hope both the posters and lurkers have something to think about for tonight/today and find new solutions. cheers

No.

I spent a long time hoping I'd meet someone going about my life where things would click. It never happened. I've never been approached either. I never go out anymore, and most my friends are married or likely to be getting married. I'm not exposed to situations where I meet new people, so the chances of meeting someone new through coincidence are near zero.

Due to the lack of experience, I lack the social skills necessary to even go about looking and don't really know the etiquette. Not even sure how to carry on a conversation with a girl. I'm getting too old at this point for that general awkwardness to be acceptable, and I don't have much to offer. I don't really see the point anymore, and I don't to waste my and someone else's time. Doesn't bother me other than a sense of shame due to never having a relationship. I know many other people who have, and the fact they have been in a relationship and I have not baffles me. It makes me wonder what is intrinsically wrong with me or what flaw that I have, other than being generally hermit-like.

Alright. ALL GIRLS IN THIS THREAD I ASK YOU OUT.

yeah. 3 times. i failed, but i wonder if I was doing it wrong and never had a chance

First:
>I'm not exposed to situations where I meet new people, so the chances of meeting someone new through coincidence are near zero
But then:
>It makes me wonder what is intrinsically wrong with me or what flaw that I have, other than being generally hermit-like.
You knew the answer. Why not try to fix it?

actually 4 if you count my ongoing internet campaign as "asking a girl out"

Situations in the past where I met new people (eg. university, work, etc) never resulted in meeting someone. I shouldn't expect future results to be different. That's why I believe there has to be some other reasoning, considering I've never been approached (even if there maybe societal expectation that I do the approaching)

Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. That goes both ways though, as what I am currently doing has accomplished nothing. As I said, I have no idea how to go about dating or the like, and I am somewhat afraid of the prospect. Meeting new people is easier said than done, especially when socially awkward.

It might not help at all, but from my limited experience, most girls are afraid of someone who's not at the very least a little awkward at first. They're pretty good at detecting alterior motives and someone who's a smooth talker all of the time is a red flag.

Unless you're exceedingly good looking or are in a position of authority, girls generally won't approach. As a guy, that's your job.

Remind me again what part of this process isn't the guy's job.

Never have. I look at myself objectively and there is no reason for a woman to be attracted to me or willing or happy to date me. They can do way better than me. I have nothing to offer them they can't get from another guy. I'm an ugly manlet loser, I'm physically and inherently flawed. I don't deserve a gf. Better men than me deserve them. I will never be able to get a gf and keep her happy with me. So I don't bother women with my shitty attempt at flirting with them.

The part where they choose you over someone else. You can't directly control that, but you can make it harder for them to do so.

I asked a girl out to homecoming during high school and she said yes, I never asked out another girl since because I didn't want to tarnish my perfect record. Also during that time frame I was asked out by three girls. Since then I've gotten fat and don't get approached anymore, is there still hope?

When you weren't fat, you had girls approach you. It stands to reason losing the weight would increase the chances of that happening again.

I don't think women even want relationships, not the same way guys do anyway, and definitely not as much. Guys can't really ever feel desired without a relationship, whereas girls get to every time they get asked out. I don't think they really feel the same *need* to have a partner. Instead it's just something they'd like to have, but they feel fine to take their time and wait for something better to come along.

Not with that attitude, at least. Are you sure you're you're looking at yourself objectively? Could they be opinions about yourself you've adopted as facts?

Yes I have actually
Even the fat girl laughed

the trick is to just quit caring about the soullessness of it and just do it

My experience has always been that women are total shit at hookups. Never has a friendship with one woman led to dates with another.

>And do you realize that you're kind of making my point for me, that it's socially unacceptable to pursue women outside of a fucked up digital meat market where they hold all the cards and they all just fuck the same guy?
yeah this is just wrong, you just have a defeatist attitude

Incels fag

That's fair.
And I am original.