/fraud/ steroids - summer cut edition

Legit question for you life long B&Cers.

When you guys cruise, do you bring your test down to natty levels, or do you stay slightly above it?

From talking to people there seems to be a bit of contention. I train with guys who B&C and one of them told me if he keeps his test in the higher end of natural (he told me his bloods go to absolute shit if he doesn't) while others on their cruise have a reduction of their blast but never really go down to natural levels.

I'm aware this obviously depends on a variety of factors - genes, diet, age, severity of blast etc but wondered how you lads treat yourselves on a cruise.

the whole point of a cruise is to let your lipids and various health markers recover... which won't happen if you're still supra physiological. if you're not gonna cruise properly just don't even pretend and keep permablasting

Kill yourself

Ya, was ok, 10mg, 20mg, 40mg, 60mg then stopped working entirely.

Its important to differentiate between "cruise" and trt, people use these terms interchangeably when they are defo not.
I run my cruise at 300 test.

>I just go from a larger blast to a smaller blast

Pretty much.
Its not a sensible option but I also did coin the term YOTG so i'm not a sensible person kek

Do your bloods, lipids, BP still improve on that dose?

Yes, although there would be obvious improvement on a much more sensible dose of lets say 150mg.
I'm due to get bloods in a month or two before next blast, i will post comparison results in fraud for anyone that cares.

At some point its about reducing harm in small steps.
>blood - donation is king, as well as taking proven supplements, lots of water and cardio
>lipids is tougher, usually means eating whiter meats, less dairy and sat fats
>BP - AAS doesnt have near the same effect on BP as lots of other things you might not think about

For instance on tren+dbol+Anadrol my BP reached 172/100 on date 02/03/19
I also pissed a teeny bit of blood
But i dropped caffeine, lowered the orals (kinda) and upped water intake a lot
By 23/03/19 my BP was 124/73.
See you would think that Over 1g Tren was to blame, but it was actually 1g caffeine ED that was rocking my shit.

^

Fucking VG shot got fucked up or something and now I’m hobbling around so bad I can’t even make it to the gym.

Team never donated blood despite b&c for years. Yeee boii

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Decided to have her come over tomorrow.

Her lips better be bj lips.

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she cute

I love my girlfriend but damn do I miss tinder thots.

That’s a lot of makeup but gl. Cuddle the shit outta her afterwards for us tfwnogf brehs

yea fuck off

>roiding for this

>That’s a lot of makeup

I'll take my chances l o l

No cuddling tho that's gay

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wtf? why do girls nowadays hit the wall at like 19 years old?
(like Alex' gf in the last thread and that other one)

They did a study and showed men women's faces and asked them to rate them. Unironically they peaked at 12/13 years old. The only thing women don't have is a developed body usually at that age, so about 15/16 yo is the face+body peak and it's all downhill from there.

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Why so much fud about roids these days? Like, it’s not even about the real dangers but rather “lmao balls small and no sperm” which is the reversible shit. What gives?

Where can I find a reputable source for dianabol?

No source talk, I’m sorry I know it’s hard but you have to figure it out elsewhere

Guys I'm on my 3rd week of PCT, just took 40mg/day nolv for the first two weeks, tapering down to 20mg now. (Had a long cycle so doing 40/40/20/20/10)

My issue is that I just got my HCG and I can't find any data on Nolv and HCG working/not working together. I'd be dosing it at 500UI every other day until I'm out, so about 10 doses.

I just pinned my first 500UI, so it's mixed and I can't just waste it at this point. Is it useless since I'm starting so late? I need to get my fucking balls B A C K

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so my source just got 100mg of dhb what should i expect?

Ok, thank you

47 we had talked a few threads ago about bitch made 12 week cycles. how long should i run my 4th cycle?

it's too late for hcg. that's not how you use it in the context of a pct.

a very amazing but overpriced compound

Idk what are you running and what are your goals

Would I experience any negatives from using HCG at this point?

The problem with running long cycles is your gains are going to drop off dramatically after 12 weeks or so. And you're going to have to while that much longer to cycle again. That's why people don't bother with 20 week cycles or whatever. Better to keep it 10-12 weeks, get your optimum gains.

Basically either cycle for 10-12weeks or just go full blast and cruise.

im running 600test 300tren 200mast and i want to need to walk sideways when i have to get through door frames.

you're fucking up your pct.

this is absolutely fucking moronic and not based on any kind of science. end your pathetic life and never give advice to anyone ever again.

I swear to God if you come back talking about receptor adaptation or some retarded shit like that I will find where you live and punch you in the dick

>age: 21
>height: 6"1'
> weight: 173lbs
> BF%: 11
> time spent lifting: 4 years on and off, not serious (1/2 days a week avg.) 1 year serious (4+ days a week)

Thinking of doing 1 cycle of test. Maybe 500mg for 12-16 weeks.

The wiki seems to say doing gear before 21 is definitely very dangerous, and before 25 is not ideal but not explicitly discouraged.

Will I be fine if I just do one cycle at 21/22 yo? With proper blood testing and PCT etc.

I genuinely think I have bad genetics (I know it's a common excuse but I have good reasons to conclude that I gain muscle slowly).

How much lean muscle can I expect to gain (and retain) after the cycle? I'd be happy with 190lbs at my current BF% desu, just want to be lean and aesthetic.

Yeah ok nigger. People just do 12 week cycles for no reason. Just fucking blast n cruise instead of trying to walk a tightrope between cycling and staying on forever.

Okay, but how exactly? I'm just stimulating test production in the testes at 500UI every other day?

How is that working against the effects of nolva?

Don't listen to that other guy and his "time off = time on" bullshit and "your gains stop after 12 weeks" nonsense. It all depends on your bloodwork results and your diet and exercise regime.

I'd swap out the tren and mast for deca and winny / adrol and run deca + test for 16-20 weeks and throw in the oral in the last 8 weeks.

sounds good 47. thanks

Welcome to TRT.

wheres my giftbag? i was told there would be giftbags!!

Is it worth it to start taking steroids during a cut? Or should I wait until bulk season to start?

>How do you guys get needles?
Can't you just go to the nearest pharmacy and get a bunch?

don't fall for the "cut while on gear" meme. especially for the first cycle. roids will only "preserve" what you already have (which is close to nothing since you're a natty)
t. made close to zero muscle gains in 16 weeks

In most states you can. If not they’re easily and legally available online.

Youre gona get hivemind roidhead responses.

Rad + mk is fine. Expect big strength gains. You should increase weights for reps every workout. I would run for 6 weeks and i would keep a PCT on hand such as nolva just in case. If you run for 4 weeks only your probably going to want to keep going so might as well do 6-8 weeks but do whatever u want

Mk will make u hungry first 2 weeks so prepare. Honestly you could take Mk all year round

Thanks for confirming my suspicisions

While I've got you what should I take for babby's first cycle? I want something that I could bail on with no long term effect on my horomone levels

>bail on with no long term effect on my horomone levels
no such thing - it's like rolling a dice. you'll never know how your body reacts. you could never fully recover after a small cycle, but you could also blast huge doses and easily get back within a few weeks after proper pct.

same with side effects like hair loss.

>16 weeks of gear didn't do a thing
...and I even ordered it off the interwebz and it had a cool label that said it was definitely 100% not counterfeit.

>I want something that I could bail on with no long term effect on my horomone levels
Nothing, I mean test prop will be out of your system quickly but you'll get your test production suppressed regardless. You MAY not need PCT if you get off after being on for 1 week or something but it's not guaranteed. Test prop is a lot of pinning, so if you're new to stabbing yourself you may not like that, you often will pin test prop every other day.

it was a from a reputable source that many in this general use - having tren cough, nightsweats, constant erections, etc. might also be a pretty good indicator. :^)

started with like 25% bf wich allowed me to cut really hard. there weren't too many gains though, even though I worked out 6 times a week.

cutting hard on a first cycle is a shitty idea.
/blog post

>started with like 25% bf
Oof.

yepp

What is your bf% now? 24%?

How did you measure?

I guarantee you will get more gains from two 8 week cycles than one 16 week cycle. Bill Roberts spoke about this and to paraphrase he said that it's just simply how human biology works, the body grows better with time between growth spurts. He said he doesn't know why exactly it's the case, it's not due to receptors being desensitized.

The same Bill Roberts that pioneered the two week cycles?

Yep. The absolute madman.

estimation based on a lot of pictures on the internet.
maybe around 12-15%? did some stupid shit like 5 days fasting while still working out and doing cardio everyday. steroids really help you push through that shit with ease

I'll soon make some posts with pictures, stats, etc.

What's up guys. Has catpiss died yet? Does Mast still post here? What about the tyranny from Canada? Or the gay porn guy? Or that seller from NY?
Good times. Cheers.

Im considering to start a Creatine cycle do I need PCT or I can go B&C?

I guarantee you will get more gains from 16 one week cycles than one 16 week cycle. Bill Roberts spoke about this and to paraphrase he said that it's just simply how human biology works, the body grows better with time between growth spurts. He said he doesn't know why exactly it's the case, it's not due to receptors being desensitized

what is the dosage for igf-1

I guarantee you will get more gains from 32 half week cycles than one 16 week cycle. Bill Roberts spoke about this and to paraphrase he said that it's just simply how human biology works, the body grows better with time between growth spurts. He said he doesn't know why exactly it's the case, it's not due to receptors being desensitized

I guarantee you will get more gains from 112 one day cycles than 32 half week cycles. Bill Roberts spoke about this and to paraphrase he said that it's just simply how human biology works, the body grows better with time between growth spurts. He said he doesn't know why exactly it's the case, it's not due to receptors being desensitized

That's some heavy shit dude I wouldn't mess with that creatine

I saw Bill Roberts at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any receptor desensitization” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

catpiss hasn't posted in years now so death isn't out of the question
masT is still here
estp still comes in here sometimes but I think she mostly hangs out on discord now
bimbo hasn't posted in months, anonposted for a bit then completely left.
I can't recall who was in NY, fatlifts? anyway all the old sources are gone from this place now

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I guarantee you will get more gains from 448 8 hours cycles than 112 one day cycles. Bill Roberts spoke about this and to paraphrase he said that it's just simply how human biology works, the body grows better with time between growth spurts. He said he doesn't know why exactly it's the case, it's not due to receptors being desensitized

I fucked your mother.

lol, me too
also: checked

I cruise at TRT doses for the sake of my health. If my test goes up towards the top of the reference range, then my estrogen and RBC/hematocrit start to get a little elevated. The goal of the cruise is to have everything normal and stable for a while, so that's what I do.
I've heard of people cruising at 300, but I'm not sure what their blood work looks like (if they even check).

You want your body producing its own HPTA hormones, and you're preventing that with supraphysiological amounts of exogenous hormones. During a cycle you use HCG to keep your balls from going to sleep.

Man I miss bimbo. Does anyone have his tinder pics collage? I might go through the archive one day to find it, it was p much perfectly dialed in.

getting breakfast at Tiffany’s with the lads

go on

You don't have bad genetics for gaining muscle. You're just a fucking casual and barely train hard enough / eat enough, and now you're looking for the shortcut.

Have you thought about actually eating alot and training hard, 6 days a week, instead of looking for the piss easy shortcut that even if, does work out for you, will quickly be lost as soon as you stop injecting?

That's the thing with steroids. You should be doing it when you've hit your natural limit, when you've pushed everything else as far as you can go, training and diet wise, when you've fucking earned it. Not because you just been lifting for one year 'seriously' (as if 4 days a week is serious), with a few years prior of 'fucking around', lmao.

Its the icing on the cake that you take if you're going competitive, if you're aiming to become a professional athlete or a bodybuilder, if you're at the natty limit and have been busting your balls for years, not because you've decided that you have bad genetics (cop out excuse / lie/ deflection of responsibility for your own results)

If your goal is 190lbs and being 'lean and aesthetic' then just fucking do it naturally because that is piss easy, and stop being a fucking lazy bitch. Try eating past the point of discomfort one fucking time, or busting your ass more than 45mins 4 days a week lifting girl weights at a 5 RPE and not breaking a sweat any workout. Try earning something instead of cheating.

Thank you.

Just messaged you, check your inbox

I do not disagree with the response despite how preachy it is, but if you truly think 'muh genetics' is the issue and not a piss-poor education and effort, take the first baby step and get your test measured (high accuracy version with sbhg, free and bound test, etc), as well as prolactin, etc. If it stupidly easy to run 500mg of test E for 15 weeks and come out looking fat and uglier, go hit up /steroids if you don't believe me.

nice lol hope you know why you're retarded

god you're pathetic

Not sure if I'm supposed to be masturbating more or less while on a cruise.....

Since tren is progesteronic, how high will the chance be of becoming infertile from it??

I realize AI dosing is very individual, but can you guys give me some kind of baseline to start off with? I'm about to start a cycle of test 500mg, deca 200mg. Should I start the AI right away, and what dose would you recommend? Obviously I'll be monitoring for effects of low/high E2 and adjusting accordingly but I just wondered if anyone had any advice on the matter. Thanks bros

I'd say yes start right away. Try taking one every 5 days or so and see how that works out for you. If your nipples feel itchy, every 3 days.

Forgot to mention, using arimidex

Hey fellas

Does your beard grow faster when bulking in comparison to cutting?

tfw no avg tinder cum dumpster

This one is a bit weird but has a decent body.

Better than most on here t b h

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Not thinking she's worth the 20 minute drive desu

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Let her suck on your gyno and let us know how it is