Martial Arts Thread

Triangle choke?

Not even close my man, the leg is at the back of the neck, and the other leg is over on the side kneeling. Hell it looks like most of his weight is on the leg that isn't on the guys neck. Triangle chokes are from the front using both legs, I'm pretty sure

I just lost a fight. I didn't half ass my training and I felt really confident going in but in the end it wasn't even close. I feel so ashamed. How do I deal with this?

>How do I make sure a boxing gym is legit?
Look for the fighters they have produced. If they have champion fighters or at least successful amateurs, they are legit. Other things to look for are physically fit gym members, live sparring, and coaches with legit backgrounds.
>In that same vein, how do I make sure a martial arts dojo is legit?
Same as boxing gyms, but also look up the lineage of instructors. You can find out easily who has a legit black belt in BJJ or Judo and who doesn’t.

Just pretend the other guy was on PEDS and failed the imaginary post fight drug test. He probably actually was.

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Don’t worry about winning or losing too much at the amateur level. Fights should be a learning experience. You learn how to win fights by fighting.

running especially sprints is good, skipping too, how fit are you generally? cause if you're weak as hell you're gonna want to do a few push ups

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Think of how worse it would've been if you hadn't trained.

Most boxing gyms are "legit" as in you'll learn fundamentals at least and will be able to defend yourself assuming they spar and stuff. The question is how legit, because that can vary greatly. I've trained at a few boxing gyms, one coach was an ex-olympian, one coach was a masters boxer who worked in IT and coached in his free time, one coach coached a world champion and a former Pacquiao opponent. The third guy was by far the best, but believe it or not the IT dude was a better coach than the olympian.

Enquire about opportunities to compete for the gym, and the fighters they've got. generally a gym is legit if they will work you on fundamentals first before they let you do anything "fun".

This is accurate. While MT's elbows/knees are devastating in the street and BJJ is OP in a 1 on 1 situation with an untrained boxing, I have to agree that boxing is the best. No bullshit is right. You are going to be landing hard, precise strikes on dudes in a self defence scenario. The footwork disparity, accuracy disparity and calmness are gonna be night and day and a half decent boxer would legitimately end a street fight vs an untrained dude in seconds. I also place it above Muay Thai, because of the boxing stance giving you stability. you don't know what the surface is going to be like if you have to defend yourself. Also, boxing footwork is far better than MT and will be better for you in the event that you are facing more than one guy. In addition, boxing heavily emphasises running for conditioning. If you're even half dedicated you are also gonna be a half decent runner, and you can just run away from assailants before it becomes an issue in the first place.

I think one good sign that a gym is legit is if they have an active fight team that does well. Avoid those cardio boxing gyms. Go to a gym that has sparring. If you want to get into shape before classes start using a jump rope and run.

As long as you spar with competition rules (if you're a comp fag) or actual resistance it's alright.

>Boxing has better stability than Muay Thai, which involves kicks and ones while in a clinch
Nah boxing doesn't have amazing balance, you're pretty much guaranteed to have both feet on the ground 99% of the time. Also every combat sport has intensive cardio
T. Did boxing then went to judo

alot of mma gyms are off shoots of one main school,research who started what gyms,their records,what schools they fought out of prior,typically a considerable amount are ran by dudes whos egos got too big so they start their own rival programs and pride themselves on standing and banging, swinging for the fences instead of technique.Avoid places that teach superman punches-thats mcdojo as fuck. Ask around locally at your local gym, often schools will let you try a class-wathc out for too much show and decoration you dont want to be paying for their overhead bull shit,pay attention to rates- i pay 85 a month, my academy doesnt look like much but the quality of the teaching is unrivaled where i live thats why im 5yrs deep, my coach trained Rich Franklin, we currently have the best pro thai fighter in ohio yet alls we have is a window sign in a strip mall.Pay attention to whats being taught and if its sensible, how advanced is it,how well does the person teach and explain technique, how does the teacher structure class between technique,drilling and timing/sparring, ask the students what they think,have they had injuries or concussions there-avoid gyms that have high concussion rates or hose you with wild monthly rates,forcing you to buy patches/school colors before they let you train, ask about how the week is structured, good schools have certain days meant for sparring so new people dont get in over theyre head, often a good teacher will deter new students from sparring for a bit until he knows they've learned enough.Month to Month rates can be higher than a yearly contract so if youre serious when you find the right one id switch to annual.

do i need a certain kind of jump rope with weight?

A Correct boxing stance gives you excellent balance

I have what I think is an unpopular opinion that I'd like other judoka to weigh in on. With all the bullshit rules the ijf has come up with and how easy it is to get shiao for passivity or defensive posturing it's bizarre to me that turtling on the ground with the intent of stalling for a stand up is considered martially valid. At least once a week my club is drilling ways to break people out of this position despite the fact that within the context of real fight it doesn't make any sense to do so. I think turtling without attempting to regain a dominant position should be a shido because it's both passive, which isn't in the spirit of judo, and actively wastes class time when you have to learn how to break a position that doesn't make sense to begin with instead of drilling things that actually make you a better fighter.

Am I an idiot for thinking this? I think it would benefit the sport a lot.

I'll knock you out with my superman punch rn, white boy
I wouldn't worry about getting a weighted jump rope. just try to build up to 5 minutes and then 10. Slowly increase your speed and you should be good. Boxing and most good combat sports require a good amount of cardio. I think jump rope and swimming would be best. However, I think the best thing would be to just go to a class. You might lag behind and it won't be comfortable at first but you'll begin working on your form and the classes help push you past the point in which you'd ordinarily take a break.

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A correct boxing stance never has to worry about a kick to the kneecap, a double leg or a sweep. It leaves you very much upright and straight and just begging to get knocked over

Can I do bjj with shoulder length hair? I'll obviously tie it as tight as I can, but I don't know whether all the rolling wouldn't bring it down.

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Is this place legit you think?

combatsambo.com/combatsambo_home.html

Will it help me beat Tyrone in a fight?

This

First of all, cut your hair faggot.

Secondly, plenty of girls train BJJ with long hair, and don't have any issues.

Started with MT myself (4 years) and then did boxing. Got my shit pushed in badly at the beginning, since it does require much more footwork and being able to only use your fists sucks. Definitely helped me getting quicker on my feet, though.

So imo, starting with boxing and then switching to MT after a while is the way to go.

>hating on superman punches
Fuck you, it's legit the most fun punch. Especially in MT, when your opponent is expecting a knee from the windup and is eating your punch the next moment.

dude if youre that height and weight just focus on endurance building and dominate 145 like that skinny Kazakh khabib hangs out with, Zabit

>combatsambo.com/combatsambo_home.html
could try it but the site hasnt been updated in years clears... you could go to connors mma in norwood (has good MT and BJJ and johns cool) if youre looking at the needham place

i agree, did boxing first and then MT... as far as which is better. depends on a case by case basis and which (you) like more

Looks good, but it's a bit far to go several times a week for me. I was thinking about joining RedLine Fight Sports, or Tohoku Judo as they're both in Cambridge. (5 miles from home). Just worried about McDojo and looking like prime ass beating to Tyrone and his quartet.

>This is accurate.
It has krav maga up there as anything except bulshido or an ironic joke
It also lionizes BJJ as a self defense martial art.

It's a marketing scam masquerading as legit.

Am I ever gonna make it boxing? All of the best seem to be that way because they come from rough backgrounds... I'm just middle class and I fear I'll never be bale to rival someone like that

The type of fighters it has. So if you’re surrounded by middle aged men versus world champions.

If you're street fighting someone who throws oblique kicks or can shoot a good double leg then it's your fault for street fighting an MMA fighter. I should've clarified that I was talking about boxing in a self defence/street fight scenario vs an untrained opponent. Of course a well versed opponent would be able to exploit some of the holes in boxing.

You look at the instructors/owners lineage, do they have any competing fighters, do you spar from day one or some bullshit like 6 months. A boxing you'll find out quite fast if it's legit or not

do you have it in you to want your punches to concuss your opponent into a coma?

No one likes modern judo rules, I’m just surprised another federation hasn’t taken over. What keeps the ijf in power ?

Are you trying to become a fucking professional or just wanting to be able to defend yourself from niggers

yes.
i figured i could get the latter from the former. i don't like niggers either way so more motivation in the ring. i'd really like to do competition

Just do it. Training boxing for 3 months intensely will increase your skill immensely. Reap those newb gains.
Right now doing kickboxing cause I have weak hips. Don’t want to become a pro, just enjoying my newb gains.

if you're past 25 its ogre to ever make it to the professional leagues

Fuck the ibjjf too while we're at it

18, am i fucked still?

no, if you can train full time. could start amateur by 21 and hopefully pro at 25. starting to train at 25 is a short career if you can manage to even get in time

>asks martial arts advice
>posts pic of guy shadowboxing

how short is a "short" career? don't some train for like, 20 years?

Your pride got in the way. "I can handle this" translates to "I don't need to have momentum/be aggro". If you go at a fight passively, you will lose, but if you try to turn his nose inside out the you'll at least make them think twice before messing with you again

The olympics

Careers are only short if you keep getting knocked out. If you fight smart, the longer your career will be.

I exhaled through my nose

If you're over 25 I recommend doing MMA. Talent level is low in comparison, and you can shine in areas your opponents probably won't.

>be born Thai
>obligatory Muay Thai cause muh poor family
>grandmother makes it big, invites me to live with her in America
>want to keep up mad skills
>find mt gym
>everyone is a fucking casual, teacher is built though
>insists I call him sensei
>mfw
>red flags
>say fuck it, I at least want willing partners
>join gym
>some guy a few weight classes above me immediately wants to spar
>why the hell not
>comes at me using exclusively elbows and knees
>opens with spinning elbow
>follows with another elbow
>looks like he is doing the chicken dance
>tries to hit my chin with a knee
>kick his shin
>falls to ground
>I'm the bad guy
>get past that and move onto a "lesson"
>sensei is teaching the clinch
>"you want your arms on the outside so you control both their arms and head"
>mentally check out after that
>get to the fun part
>find partner to clinch with
>he follows the instructions to a T
>shame that the instructions were wrong
>doesn't know why it doesn't work
>let him down easy
>sensei notices this
>no shit gives the cobra kai no mercy talk
>sensei wants to put me in my place or something like that, tells me to get into the ring
>tells me to treat it like an actual match
>no Wai Khru tho
>take the insult personally
>ding ding
>starts wildly kicking at me
>get in close, punch a few times, deliver elbow to nose
>"you're taking this too seriously man"
>but I'm in first gear
>tries to clinch
>looks at my knee
>wakes up on ground
>they tell me never to come back
>only mt practice is now done at home
I feel like I've been losing my edge, even the MMA gym I went to was full of pretenders wearing wwe tank tops, UFC hats, and gloves that cost more than anything else they own

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most of the mcdojo shit is about money and honestly it's downright dangerous to people who think it's effective

Is the word "Sho-Jutsu" a red flag

I don't get why he would give the no mercy talk then get pissed no mercy was given. Like I'm not calling you a liar but wtf.
Also is MT tough to learn without getting a broke nose?

Probably because it's a fake story.

People turn into hypocrites when they get hurt, they go from "no mercy" to "mercy" very quick
I can't speak for the States, but in Thailand it is difficult when you first begin, but you get used to how much it sucks eventually. It isn't uncommon to break something, so you have to be prepared for that.

Ur going to get hit in the face with an elbow, and eventually it'll break something

amateur fighter you can fight as soon as your coach thinks youre ready fucking most c tier gyms throw their guys in with like 4 5 months experience if youre winning regonals states and maybe falling hust short at nationals or winning then you have a good shot at pro career hell mikey garcia said he lost most of his amateur fights at the higher levels and now hes a millionaire if youre 18 its not too late anthony joshua started at 18 deontay wilder 21 hell bunch of guys started late and became champions marciano started at 24 if you start past 26 id say chances go way down since by the time you hit the higher levels in pro youll be like 33 34 depending on your activity, find a gym that doesnt bs has active amateur and pro fighters and will teach you real skill and dedicate all your free time to it if youre even halfway consistent guarentee youll break out of the bottom casual tier goers at the gym and will be sparring the higher level guys for experience in 6 months and probably have your first fight around 9 months to a year.

I'm thinking of it, I just don't know how. I don't want to be NPC #388393 and just get an undercut. What's taking me so long is knowing I'll look ugly either way.

Anyone here do judo? Been doing it for about 1.5 months, if not 2 months max. I go roughly 2 times a week, some weeks i go 3 when i don't have work. I'm a white belt, but keep forgetting the names for rolls, and keep forgetting crucial foot placements when it comes to throw techniques. I also have a tendency to use muscle over technique which my sensei keeps pulling me up on, and not using my hands enough for throws.

Is this normal at month 2? or am i a slow learner? So far i have learned the following; Osoto otoshi, Uki Goshi, Tai Otoshi, Seo nage, Ouchi gari, Ogoshi, Kouchi gari, Harai Goshi, Hane goshi, Tomoe Nage, Sode tsurikomi goshi.

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I want to do both boxing and bjj, but from what I've heard on Jow Forums recently it seems it would be better to start with boxing. My question though is whether boxing won't make me retarded from head blows. I also think finding a legit bjj gym will be easier around here. I don't really know where to look for recommendations.

I forgot to mention, i also know Koshi guruma, and when it comes to rolls i know the following but ALWAYS forget the names; Ushiro Ukemi, Yoko ukemi,Mae mawari ukemi.

Even at this stage, i still haven't executed a clean throw in randori on someone resisting very heavily.

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Definitely do BJJ if you’re worried about head trauma, you get humbled without a headache.

Dude, it's been two months. You're not supposed to know anything yet.

Honest to god I don't think I ever landed an actually good throw on someone who
was trying their hardest not to be thrown until I was 6-8 months in.

Man, it sucks though. I feel every-time i keep letting my sensei down and wasting his time trying to teach me the same things over and over. Rest of the guys all go to tournaments, and compete. Even lets a white belt that's like 60kg compete, but when i demanded to let me compete as well i was shot down.

>No, i don't want you competing now, in 6-7 more months. At your weight (95kg) i don't want you to get injured this early in your career
>Once you hit yellow, you'll start small competitions first and move up

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Street fight or a regulated boxing match?

Kickboxing. I don't consider myself a street fighter but the few times I've had to scrap I've never lost. There's no real pride I take in beating on people who don't know what they're doing to begin with. Training for months, wasting time and money, just to get an ass kicking makes me feel like my efforts were pointless.

Your sensei is trying to keep you from getting permanently injured before you git gud. I'm more worried fighting yellow and orange belts than black belts because black belts throw clean and don't spaz out and try to hurt me. Someone at your same weight class spazzing out and/or putting your or their legs in the wrong position could end with you getting fucked up.

Funny enough, you reminded me of when I first started judo. No joke two months after I started Iadequate a post on old /asp/ lamenting that I felt like I wasn't getting anywhere and I couldn't make it. I still remember the first response I got.

>it's been two fucking months and you're wondering why you aren't good yet? Do millenials not have any attention span at all?

I've been training half a decade now. Don't quit on yourself.

I've done BJJ for 5 years now, I think this will apply because I've felt similarly. It's probably not the same if you've never gotten a successful throw, but I remember during the drolls of year 3 as a blue belt. I was super thirsty for a purple belt. I would roll harder with the purple belts, especially my friend who I would consistently get the better of yet they got promoted. I would day dream about the belt and how cool it would be. Going to class was getting tiring because the belt promotion seminar was X months away and I probably wasn't getting promoted until then (it ended up being the promotion seminar after that which was Y months away). It became a chore to show up.

Then I got sick. I caught a nasty flu and was out for 2 weeks on my back. During that time, I only wanted to get back on the mats. I stopped thinking about the belt and started thinking about how cool it would be to impose my will on someone in a grapple. When I got back on, the only thing that made me feel successful was showing up. I still thought about the belt, but I stopped thinking about whether I won or I lost - how many submissions I got or lost. Showing up is winning. You'll get plenty of good throws if you show up. You don't need to get more throws than someone else, your throws will show up in good time.

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>go to open mat in judo
>orange up against a fucking black that's 6ft6 110kg
>Gets me in a Clock choke
>sensei and senpai yelling their lungs off telling me to tap
>face going purple, face swelling up, eyes feel like they are going to burst
>neck feels like it's going to burst and veins wanted to pop
>body shaking
>took me 30 seconds to even wake up with my team running to help me
>next day have thick bruises around my neck like i was hanged

>Your sensei is trying to keep you from getting permanently injured before you git gud. I'm more worried fighting yellow and orange belts than black belts because black belts throw clean and don't spaz out and try to hurt me. Someone at your same weight class spazzing out and/or putting your or their legs in the wrong position could end with you getting fucked up.

Yes, i guess you are right. I can even feel other white and yellow belts spazzing out with me, even with grip fighting. Better to go in a competition, in 10-11 months with a better knowledge of throws and counters.

Better to go when i have more chance of winning a fight.

>I've been training half a decade now. Don't quit on yourself.

When i start something, i stick to it 110%, i thought perhaps i was just slow as fuck, and a complete useless cunt. But I'll stick to it, and keep going, trying to improve every session.

>Showing up is winning
> You don't need to get more throws than someone else, your throws will show up in good time.

Thanks bro, this is true.

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Why didn't you tap you retard

>A correct boxing stance never has to worry about a kick to the kneecap, a double leg or a sweep
same as muay thai stance
>It leaves you very much upright and straight
This is description of muay thai stance, not boxing

didn't want to give him the satisfactions of tapping and also wanted to prove to my sensei and senpai i have heart

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If I want to combine lifting and martial arts, is a 2-day SS a good way to go? I would do SS on Monday and Friday and kickboxing on Wednesday.

I know that feel user. I train BJJ and did a couple local tournaments, never mentioning to friends or family. I won a bunch of silver, never quite gold material I guess. Then I signed up for an IBJJF tournament. I invited my friends, love interest, and family to check it out because while I didn’t think I’d be the gold medalist, I figured I’d get up there and show off my skills to those I know.
I got absolutely destroyed by my first opponent. I didn’t stand a chance. Fortunately I was skilled enough to NOT get tapped, but it was very clear who dominated who.
You live and learn user. Back to training I went, head hung low yes but perseverance is key.

Your sensei doesn't want you to get brain damage as a beginner fighting and expert, retard. If you give up before you're beat you're a quitter. If you submit when you're literally being choked unconscious you fought to the inevitable conclusion of the match. You didn't prove anything you only got yourself hurt.

Tap or nap, stupid.

Doesnt really look like anything other then knee pressure on the back of the bottom guys neck. He is creating too much space by being up on his knee like that, the bottom guy just has to shrimp out and he can go from there.

Dont try this on a real person.

.t pussy

Bump

Any muay thai gym where the coach is called sensei is mcdojo. They're called a kru, but even then we just call ours coach.

Also even in Thailand, elbows aren't used in spar.

>>"you want your arms on the outside so you control both their arms and head"
This can't be real.

I don't know if I'd trust Muay Thai gyms in the west, unless the coach is from Thailand himself and has competed.

I heem every ITT

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T. Retard, enjoy your broken arm after you try that shit with an armbar or shoulder lock

>A Muay Thai stance never has to worry about a kick to the kneecap
Hello retard

I mean sure, but martial arts tend to be more cardio then lifting, so you could do a 3 day SS or something. Twice a week just seems like a very low amount to me.

>farts instead of arguments

Ok, here a "argument", Muay Thai has a shitton of kicks to the legs and knees, as well as a few leg sweeps from clinch.
Saying they never have to worry about two of the things I mentioned when they are in the fucking sport indicates that you're a retard who doesn't actually know the sport he's talking about.

Sorry, you are an idiot.
>Muay Thai has a shitton of kicks to the legs and knees
So? How this affects on stance?
>Saying they never have to worry about two of the things I mentioned...
Yeah, thai boxers worry about lowkicks, but not with some special stance.