Ok, time to shut the coffin on fasting...

ur a retard

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no YOU post body (checkmate)

Here’s what you need to understand that fast fags won’t tell you:

Fasting for an obese over 30% bf person is a good way to dip down to like 20% bf, and then start doing it the right way. Someone who has never touched weights too.

If you’ve lifted for a while, gained muscle and strength, then fasting is not for you. They use the argument that our ancestors would go through periods with no food, but our ancestors also didn’t lift. They had endurance based physiques meant for walking all day, so they didn’t have hard gained muscle to lose like someone who’s spent 3 years lifting would. They want to tell people all the bullshit about that and hgh spiking because they are just a subclass of incel robots. Rather than cling to titles like “neet” or “incel” they found fasting. They feel like they belong to something productive and healthy and it defines them, so they will try to make it seem as good as they can despite the fact that the only people who look like they actually lift are the occasional photos from the thumbfaced manlet snake diet guys instagram, and even they look like shit.

Tl;dr: save yourself the trouble and do what’s been proven time and time again. Slight calorie reduction while continuing to lift the same and maybe slightly upping cardio.

fatty detected

the only fasting way that works is PSMF, and that isn't really fasting is it

Imagine being so weak willed that you need a "strategy" to eat less beyond just, you know, putting the fucking fork down.

>this level of coping
What are the negative effects? You didnt list one in your incoherent ramble.

muscle loss is a pretty big one dood

lol. successful science based bodybuilders and coaches nowadays predominantly slow bulk then mini-cut for 3-6 weeks in the off-season, and do traditional longer cuts pre-show. no one successful fasts because fasting is not optimal for body composition or performance.

i'd go so far as to say fasting is useful only as a tool for improving dietary adherence and long term weight management, which is massively important. but trying to argue that fasting is anything more than suboptimal for body composition is like making the same argument for veganism - there are always those who wish that were the case, but it's just not.

i will say however that for 2 weeks or so, losing muscle is difficult. after this point though, you just will not retain muscle well at all, and most of the studies that find low levels of muscle loss were in either using untrained individuals who aren't fighting against their bodies to add muscle it doesn't necessarily want, or were too short term to facilitate any meaningful insight.

don't listen to chink glasses man, he's selling you things

Can you not read?

>just don't eat
>he's selling you things

how?

>no one successful fasts

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Idk seemed to understand my main point just fine. Maybe if you ate something you’d be able to understand not only that but that you also just proved one of my other points: that you dorks try to desperately cling to this dumb fad diet as something greater than it actually is like a drowning child in a pool. Have fun torturing yourself to just look like shit and get nowhere

>Oh man a pro athlete, and a fighter of all things, did a fast. If I do it I can look just like him!

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also seminars

i was talking about the aforementioned successful bodybuilders and coaches ie the guys who have to get this right the most.

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jesus christ you are a brainlet if you dont get simple English

you need to speak LOUDER

>ad hominem

victory tastes sweet

Cringe

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He’s right though. The guy you posted is on gear. I’m sure if we’re weing you can just post your amazing physique and prove us wrong though.

>successful bodybuilders
Yeah, right, the guys who are on copious amounts of steroids and fat burners. I'm totally going to follow their routines and maybe I can look like them one day!

Lmao so the guy who competes in a fighting league that has rigorous and consistent drug testing is on gear, but successful bodybuilders do it natty bro just follow their routines!

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I havent lost any muscle since doing fasting, im actually stronger and lighter.
Post body fatass i mog you any day of the week.

>implying you can roid your way through all your problems at the elite level
spoken like someone who's never been on roids. i wasn't even talking about roiding bodybuilders anyway since their rules are different, i'm talking about natty men's physique guys etc.

Ok show me a "successful" bodybuilder that's natty

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Yeah but what are your lifts like lol

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All this coping. I really like how you guys will just make up the other persons veiw/belief without any logic to believe it and act as if it’s true and somehow adds to the legitimacy of your own argument. I never said pro BBers were natty, YOU did. You think because shit like USADA is running the show that pro fighters are natty? Gtfo, you just exposed yourself to anyone with a brain. We all know you don’t lift now. Go drink salt water snakeboi

I got a better one for you, why don’t you prove everyone in here wrong at once by posting your supposedly great body that you’re claiming to have while simultaneously doing prolonged fasting? We’d all eat our words, and you’d be able to show off your gains. I mean, you wouldn’t come here and just talk out of your ass right?

Imo fasting is just another name for binge dieting

lol

it's logical. When fasting, you're cutting for a MUCH shorter period of time than a traditional cut. There literally isn't time for your muscle/strength to degenerate, not compared to the rate at which your fat is being burned off

Fasting? Did you mean pro-ana 14 year old girls scared of long term commitment looking for quick and easy results with no real effort????

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>no you
Fat fuck confirmed. Keep being a bitch i wouldnt want to see your tits anyway. Whats your rutine lard ass SS+GOMAD?
>bench 315 for 2
>squat 315 5 x5
I dont know what my max deadlift is almost had 500 up but my form was shit and pull entirely with my back. But i have cleared 475 for 3

eric helms is a good example of both physique competitor and coach.

>The /fast/ chads vs the virgin /fat/ frogposter

I believe Fung has posted the science, but because of the HGH spike you conserve more muscle relative to the amount you would have lost via CICO. However, since you're losing more weight with fasting it typically means more muscle lost in absolute terms. IIRC the ratio is ~90% fat lost for fasting vs ~75% fat lost for CICO.

Based

>refuses to post body despite claims, won’t entertain burden of proof that’s on him
>posts weak lifts
Those are not impressive dude, maybe if it’s your 2nd year lifting.
350/455/6pl8 conv

That bench to squat ratio is actually pathetic what the hell

>refuses to post body
how is this an argunent? you tell a strange dude to whip off his shirt and pants and take selfies in the mirror, he has the audacity to refuse this stupid request, and you take this as some kind of pathetic victory?

>you could fast for 3 days straight
>then eat well over your TDEE.
Where does this make sense to you?

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So don't fast OP, why make a thread about your own lack of trust in a particular weight loss method? Fuck you're dense

Yes I agree because I was the one told to post body first despite that he(you?) originally made claims that he’s built an apparently great physique while doing prolonged fasts. Yet he won’t post it. Idk about you, I want to see this great physique. Show me what can be achieved from fasting, I’d love to be proven wrong.

Triggered

The burden of proof is on you brainlet, I asked you to post body and you never did, then you side stepped and went on again bitching. I bet Im younger than you and weigh less also. I bet you’re 260 at least. Post body fat ass

No, I can't find it, especially for non-obese people

>fast 72 hours
>eat 8000 calories a day for the rest of the week

>roiding for this

>muh eveyone against me is same fagging
Based schizo, Are you that afraid to post your man tits? Just post a picture of your mothers they are probably equivalent to yours.

ITT:
>post body

No actually that’s not how burden of proof works. You don’t make a claim and then request someone else provides evidence for why it’s wrong without first giving your own evidence. The burden of proof is still on you, and until it’s posted no one has to do shit and nothing you say will be taken seriously except by the other skinnyfats from your /fast/ general

>implying post body ever proves anything even when people actually agree to do it

>not fasting solely for autophagy and for the challenge itself
>not knowing the feeling of walking shoulder to shoulder with death during a multiple day dry fast
Enjoy your comfort, domesticated man

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Do you understand how fat is gained and lost? Have fun looking like boogie. Fucktard.

ok but this is only for fat people with no muscles lol

lol xd btfo

>muhh can't refute arguments so resort to fallacies
post body faggot

The exact reaction I’d expect from a low test soiboy cuck

good argument ;)

Have fun scarfing down those onions wingz, when your gastric bypass comes dont tell me I didnt warn ya

>calls me schitzo poster
>is actually a schitzo poster

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Some do intermittent fasting and actually managed to gain a little more muscle thanks to it

Sorry, i didnt know "only for fat people with no muscles lol" was an argument to begin with.

IF and not eating for days at a time are pretty different

Not him but I’d say it’s more of the reality of this subject that /fast/ggots fear

Extended fasting is retarded if you're semi-lean and trying to look more shredded. If you're a whale then you can and should do long ass fasting though.
If you're aiming to cut to ottermode at like 10ish % bf then go for OMAD or 20:4 IF and you'll be Gucci

that's not proper fasting though is it

Spot on but most of these foodlets are gonna find a way to shit on this. If someone isn’t advocating for fasting all the time regardless of the situation then they’re wrong in the eyes of /fast/ggots

Thoughts on occasional 36-48 hour fasts to trim down fat while bulking?

i wonder why all the non-fasters care so much that people do fast
>are they jealous of the apparent willpower?
>do they lack the required discipline for an extended fast?
>are they truly ignorant to the benefits such as autophagy and resetting insulin sensitivity?

such a strong reaction when people choose not to eat really boggles my mind. OMAD masterrace here(23:1), the looks of shock I get when I turn down food are never ending. It’s as if I just told them I eat human meat

OPs pic is a drawing, not a photoshopped photo

My negro

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>all estats
>no bodies with proof
Sounds like both sides of this argument are faggots

Pretty much any professional athlete will be on gear. Obligatory reminder that notorious cheater Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test, they only caught him because someone narced on him.

fucking poofter

Nice

dumb

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I do fast.
Its difficult to hard bulk.
However excellent for lean gains or body recomp.

I think what they were attempting to say was that you could fast for 3 days then eat 3x your TDEE at once.

>starving yourself
>chad
Pick one

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Did a fast last summer and Ill probably do one this summer too. If you arent fasting youre really missing out. Did a 7 day water fast last year probably going to do a 10 day one this year.

Don’t forget
>never making any progress and always looking like shit
Haha

>schitzo poster projecting on other posters
TRULY BASED AND ONIONS PILLED

Not him but can you post a before and after? I really wanna fast but idk if it’s legit

>bloat lord is what fitness is all about who cares if if you can run a lap around the track without dying from a heart attack.

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