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Mehdi isn’t white
Its boring and 5x5 isnt a good rep scheme for gains
>poor mans SS
I'm starting week 4 tomorrow
Really like it so far.
SS is a troll routine newfriend.
SS doesn’t have an app.
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Not op but i got up to 205 for 5x5 before I stalled so it's okay.
if SS is a meme why did it bring my squat up to 405?
>SS is troll
>SL isn't
Explain
I’ve done more with SL.
at what bodyweight?
6’0 180 lbs.
>Needing an app to do a workout
Fucking zoomers
Not enough upper body volume
Program doesn’t change as lifter moves from beginner to late novice
Row is not a good main lift
Doesn’t introduce exercises that are important for intermediates (chin, dip, clean/jerk/snatch, ghr/back extension/reverse hyper, variations like partials and RDLs, etc)
Doesn’t introduce autoregulation
Doesn’t introduce the lifter to doing anything but 5x5; doesn’t develop the skill of doing max singles, doubles or triples
Is a meme in general
/thread
What should we do instead then?
Do PHUL
Lol now that’s a meme routine.
I did it at 165
FOR ANY NEW LIFTERS HERE
SS IS A MEME
DO NOT DO SS
EVEN IF YOU WANT TO SQUAT BENCH DEADLIFT HEAVY AND THAT ITS, THERE ARE BETTER PROGRAMS
SS SUCKS
SS IS FOR JEWS
What height though?
SS will give you gigantic thighs, ass, force you to buy new pants and nobody will even realize you go to the gym because your upper body will still be DYEL. Don't get memed by Mehdi
SS was written by Rippetoe, not Medhi.
>SS
>Mehdi
what is a good rep scheme for gains?
touché
end of thread
205 in what exercise? lb? kg?
>Lvysaur is better
>GZCLP is even better than that
How do I know? I've done them all.
>doesn’t know how to greentext
>thinks I should value his opinion
Pick both.
>implying there's isn't multiple uses for greentext
>implying I expect anyone to just take my word on it
>uses “isn’t” in place of “aren’t”
>doesn’t post body/lifts/videos of PRs and workout journal
If its not good can somebody give an alternative? Also if I switch can i keep the same amount if weight for each lift?
I like the app a lot, does anyone have any recommendations of workout trackers that work as good as the strong lifts app?
The assistance work he recommends for arms will get your bench up and make your back bigger but do nothing for your arms compared iso work
>5 sets
>5 reps
there found two flaws.
>implying I wasn't aware of the grammatical error the instant I hit post
>implying I didn't know you were going to point it out
>implying I need to post body, or any other metric for my statements to be valid
I will speak some on these programs. Please though, do your own research. You should not take anyone at their word just because they post their body or stats.
Just as others have said SL makes you go t-rex mode. It is, in my opinion, better than ss. However it is far from the best. Lvysaur is a better program because it has a better rep scheme and a better progression system, while offering a fresh addition in chinups. Two of its main downsides are that it is push heavy and it becomes difficult to progress in later sessions.
GZCLP is better than any of the other three mentioned for a plethora of reasons.
>balanced between push/pull
>better weight progression system than all 3
>better rep ranges
>familiarizes you with both high reps and lifting heavy
>added accesories that introduce you something besides a barbell
>far better method of dealing with failed sets than deloading
>way more fun way less boring
>introduces you to the GZCL method which teaches you how to build your own intermediate program
But yeah, just keep assuming I want you to take my word for it. Keep pointing out irrelevant shit, such as grammar errors to validate your willful ignorance.
Lol didn’t read. Does that make you mad?
>implying I didn't know you were going to say that as well
squats grow no matter what, talk about your other lifts shill
>6'1 160lbs
I'm a full on skelly but am excited to try something brand new and gain some weight and strength. Anyone have any tips or been in a similar situation? I feel like it's going to be hard to eat consistently and more often.
Would it then be advisable to do SL plus supplement it with isolated exercises?
my legs got really big from squatting every workout. couple people in the gym made fun of me for squatting every workout too, but that's whatever I guess. My real beef with it is that you won't hit your chest enough. Your bench will be trash on this program.
>couple people in the gym made fun of me for squatting every workout
Lol.
At least do bench, OHP, and row as 3x10. That will help stop the inevitable T-tex mode SL induces. Adding curls and triceps pushdowns on bench day and lateral raises on OHP day will help even more. And rear delt work should be done every workout if you want your shoulders to be healthy in the long run.
You sound very dyel.
>made fun of you for squatting every workout
>no vertical push
>no vertical pull
>no lower body pull
>no abs
>no accessories
user...
Not by itself but heavy nervous activation exercise followed by high volume isolation/accessory is as old as lifting itself.
everytime i see this image he gets fucking bigger
how can he be such a dyel now?
>OHP
>Rows
>Deadlift
>There are ab accessories.
>There are accessories.
Because that's not rippletoads
thats not even rippetoe
2/10 troll
Post body, faggot.
I did SL like 6 years ago and I make way better progress benching in sets of 10, and I wish I found that out earlier because I had a sub 250 bench for years while squatting 4 and pulling 5. A single year of benching in sets of 10 instead of 5 and my upper body looks 10x better and my bench shot up over 50lbs. The rest of the advice was literally just adding necessary isolation for arms and shoulders.
Lol I bet you’d like that.
To be fair, starting strength isn't even a routine. Its a book on how to do the lifts and the only routine stated in that book is a photo of someone else's routine.... which was actually 5x5...
im a new lifter, only been lifting a month(bench went from 110 to 150 in that month tho) should i follow SL get even stronger?
Read practical programming or this other book written by Starr I think. It will teach you how to make your own routine based on your fitness goals
Post body user you really sound like you know what you're talking about
I'll be waiting
Don’t listen to this dyel: .
These 5x5 routines i feel are lacking in variety and volume. Something like PHUL is way better
How did you get 110 to 150 in a month if I may ask? I’m on 110 rn but I Sometimes cant even porgress five more for next week. Is it be because of 5x5 being too much for me to handle?
I ate like 1700-2000 calories a day(Im dieting while I start lifting.) And i would do 4-5 sets of my max weight and then would just eat high protein stuff. Usually a protein shake with a cup of milk instead of water, and some meat based stuff for lunch and dinner and just got naturally stronger.
Why not? I literally lead the user to people who lifted competitively and knows more than all of Jow Forums. You guys don't even realize SS is not a real routine. It's literally something made by Jow Forums
my dick faggot
Nah, try again.
I’m dieting to and just can’t seem to get much stronger. Were you doing 5 reps for each set? You think I should change programs?
Pretty cute reply. When the bell rings, make sure you get to algebra class on time
Shut up dyel.
That’s what I thought.
i was doing 5 a set with maybe 2 minutes of rest. i say try and focus and eat more while you keep the same routine, if you dont notice differences try another program
It's true, this is legit young Rip; looks pretty good, but not as good as Estep
Yes it does. You can also pay for Personal Training Coach appand program a SS workour
8-12 reps is best for muscle gain
GZCLP like SS and SL encourages ego lifting. Lift in the 8-12 rep range.
Post body.
How should my progress my weights for ohp, bench, and rows? The same with SS?
>bringing a phone into the gym
Why even go?
Based and redpilled
Kek nope.
There are 3 lifts posted in that picture
>he doesn’t have the upgraded with accessories
have sex
SL just like SS is just a very simple program for beginners, and both programs include dips and chinups for accessory work. It's not supposed to include a lot of work for every muscle group, you can do PPL for that, but only an idiot would recommend PPL for a complete beginner and autoregulation goes completely against the idea of a simple beginner lifting program.
I fell for the stronglifts meme and did it for months. You get good strength gains and your legs will get bigger but you will not gain any arm definition and your chest will grow very slowly.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It appears that high-intensity resistance training stimulates greater improvements in some measures of strength and hypertrophy in resistance-trained men during a short-term training period.
Anyone else tired of dyel nerds?
Why did they take this and SS off the reddit wiki?
Money.
Started doing SL 5x5, loved the app. I'm grateful with the program as I learned patience, proper form and linear progression, but I got kind of sick of the program in a couple of months even after adding accessories. Found a GZCLP for hypertrophy routine and have had both fun and results and I just love it. Some guy made a Google docs template that makes building a routine ez pz. Here's what I made for myself, there's a bunch of alternatives to pick from. I just started logging my reps/weight to the right cells of the tables, gotta figure out something better.
>machine chest press
>leg curls
Kek
>How to look like dogshit the manual
Nice, that program is more of troll program than bare bones SS
switched gyms, they didn't have a bench for pressing and the squat rack was in such a position. that dragging a bench there was just not worth it. thankfully just paid a month that expires today, and I'll enroll to a new gym today. gonna miss those teen brappers.
>let curls
what's wrong with those user?
Jefit
Progression is an app made by a /misc/ guy that is about 100x better, and you can put whatever routine you want into it.