Beta ass was about to convert to Islam

Abrahamic religions are the reason I'm ashamed to be a kike. some shitty goatfucking Cohens wrote a shitty fiction novel, and that plus all the fanfics have been causing nothing but death, destruction and misery for over two millennia. if we had never existed, the world would undeniably be a better place

> the Christians have attached fanfic that completely nullifies the Mosiac law altogether.

that's a lie, user

we have around 5,700 manuscripts created between 70-200 AD, found in archaelogical digs from all over the then Roman Empire, which show that the Gospels (or Injil) that the Christian all shared in common throughout that same Roman Empire; are exactly the same as the texts which modern Christians employ

and it should be borne in mind, that these early shared manuscripts throughout Christian churches are exactly what Mohammed would have encountered in the 600s (7th Century) when the Q'uran was allegedly recited to him

the same Injil which Allah says that the Christians should turn to, in order to judge whether Mohammed's recitation was legitimate

Jesus was neither but it was more likely that he considerd himself a Messiah. But then he got curbstomped by the Romans which invalidated his Messiah claim so many Christians sought to redefine the term.

>>Allah was a pre Islamic God.
>So was Jehova
that's the same entity, you dope.

God is one but three? God limited himself to a human form? Really? The islamic narrative makes much more sense.

There's self deprecating and then there's shitheads like you. Why would you talk about yourself like this?

Because he's neither of the book nor religious. C'mon now, we're on Jow Forums, no religious person comes here.

What doesn't makes sense to you? The fact the God came down to earth in a limited form to live a life that fulfilled his own commandments and sacrificed himself for all of us because he loves us? Or that God has three forms, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

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>at these early shared manuscripts throughout Christian churches are exactly what Mohammed would have encountered in the 600s (7th Century) when the Q'uran was allegedly recited to him

The Christians of the Arabian peninsula were exiled for their "heritical" beliefs. They also relied mostly on oral tradition which synthesized a much more human Jesus. It was the Jews who actually lugged around a book.

The Quran poses the question of "looking at your book" almost entirely on the jews. The Christians of Arabia just piggy backed on that same book and added a few so-called apocryphia to it.

Jews deserve hate, and since I am a Jew by birth I hate myself. if there was a way I could un-Jew myself, I would, but since there isn't and I am physically reminded of that every day thanks to my mutilated dick, I will continue to hate myself

>It was the Jews who actually lugged around a book.

nah friend, sorry

the preserved manuscripts from the earliest centuries of Christianity demonstrate that Christians always had their texts with them, wherever they went - and not just the New Testament, but also the Old Testament; because they believed the testimony of Christ and His Apostles that the Old Testament was inspired Scripture

I don't think you understand.

Arab Christians weren't your typical whitoid Christian. Many early "Christian* fathers found them barbaric and uncultured. It's not even clear if they even had a consistent canon since they accepted so many "apocryphical" (read: inconvenient) texts.

That was actually part of the reason why Christian Arabs entered Islam at much higher rates than Jews. They had a fluid canon that was less bound to the orthodoxy of Pauline text. And the part that was solid (the Torah) was literally pre-Islam. It was hard to deny the Quran.

muslim here. we believe the torah and the Bible were book revealed by god to the prophets Moses and Jesus but time and human beings corrupted the original message of the books. we believe the Quran to be the final book given to us by God . thats why God will protect it till judgement day from all forms of corruption or editing

Also Allah isn't a pre islamic diety . the word Allah means god in arabic . we worship the god of Abraham. the same god that talked to Moses on mount sinai and the father in the christian religion

>you'd know that only the Q'uran is perfect and the true word of Allah.
How are you muslim and on Jow Forums? I mean, why do you still care what god says if clearly doesn't give a damn about his creations looking at the world today?

on further thought, i'm maybe being a little reductive here at - thinking only of the first couple of centuries - because by the 600s you have Mohammed running into Nestorians and etc when he fled to Medina

my apologies, i was stuck thinking of the Arabici heresy resolved in 250, or the Arianism of the 300s, and wasn't really putting myself in Mohammed's context which saw him 'reciting' that the Trinity was Father, Son and Mother -- likely because he was getting all his thinking from 'christian' heretics

>Jesus but time and human beings corrupted the original message of the books.

Do you know of any corrupted texts that are different from the original writings?

If I could genuinely believe in supernatural I'd convert to Islam(I actually almost did, but that's because I'm very mentally unstable), I just love reading on it on Wikipedia, in contrast I find most articles about Christianity and other religions to be a bore, I think Islam is more simple and eloquent, but I'm not really qualified to say that.

gospel of Thomas, gospel of barnabus, book of the Egyptians were all removed from the Bible because they were deemed heretical. also the latin bible and the king James bible are very different in translation and meaning.

You think Allah's actually going to keep all the sinners in hell for eternity?

>thats why God will protect it till judgement day from all forms of corruption or editing
>by "revealing" it over the course of decades to an illiterate NEET who used it to eventually become a successful warlord, and then having his companions compile their half assed notes and poorly memorized versions of the shit he said

>gospel of Thomas

So by your reasoning, the Gospel of Thomas is a legitimate revelation from God, and so it should tie in perfectly with the revelation from God found in the Q'ran?

if you sin you can ask god for forgiveness and he will forgive you but you have to repent before you die as for the "hell for all eternity" thing only polytheists and non believers stay in hell for ever if you are one of the original christians or the original jews and by original I mean before the Bible and torah were corrupted you will go to heaven but I can't say these things for sure because only god decides

not necessarily user . I used it as an example for a deletion that happened to the Bible . the Bible is a collection of gospels and books. we believe that the original/real gospel of Jesus was in it but it was corrupted . no it shouldn't tie perfectly with the Quran every prophet has he's own message from god that can be differ from the message of the previous prophet.

Considering God to be one being but in three forms is heresy in Catholicism, Orthadoxy, and most forms of Prodestant religion, called modalism, so either you you do not follow any of the well established churches or you don't understand the trinitarian concept you are trying to explain to this guy as easy to understand.

(Im muslim) when muhammad PBUH says that the torah and bible are corrupted, ge means that they were changed overtime and aren't what they used to be. Also when the quran is a book that came after the torah and bible and therefore elaborates and has more insight on things thar the bible and torah may or may not have talked about.

>we believe that the original/real gospel of Jesus was in it but it was corrupted .

Again though, a major problem in saying something is 'corrupted' is that one has to say that a modern text is demonstrably different from what modern people read now.

Lets take your Gospel of Thomas for instance, we actually have really early copies of that 'GoT' and we can see that a modern translation is pretty much exactly the same as the originals, can't we?

Now how about the other books that 'were' included in the Bible, well we have literally thousands of early manuscripts written in koine Greek from the 1st and 2nd Century don't we?
Do you really think modern translations of the Bible are different from those early texts?

>when muhammad PBUH says that the torah and bible are corrupted,

but mohammed DOESN'T say the tawrat and injil are corrupted

instead Allah specifically commands the Jews and Christians to go look at their Tawrat and Injil and judge whether mohammed is a legitimate prophet

now who's right, Allah or modern Muslims who say those books are corrupted?

>Allah was a pre Islamic God
in pre-Islamic Arabia there was Gods, many of them like Indians or norse, and Allah in Arabic just means God in english, so it's the one god

For what reason? Why would God give everybody the capacity to know his nature through reason, acessible to all persons, and then specially grant revelations after revelations to different people which contridict eachother? If reason lies, and God granted us reason, then God is a liar (for God cannot be mistaken). But if revelation is false, it only means that some humans are either liars or mistaken, which we know to be true anyway.

Know the nature of God through philosophy.

God is right

the Bible and Torah were heavily modified, that's why when a companion of the prophet was reading the Bible he advised him not to.
but the first true Christians and Jews before the corruption went to heaven

(2:62) Whether they are the ones who believe (in Muhammad), or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians all who believe in God and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve.

I think the main issue I have with the Bible is that its supposed to be god's message but there are a lot versions of it . which one is right and which one is wrong? the catholics have a bible and the orthodox have a bible. the message of god should be one.

The Trinity is accepted as truth in Catholicism.

that's all Abrahamic religions my dude

well that would mean modern Muslims are lying when they say the Tawrat and Injil are
corrupted

>the Bible and Torah were heavily modified,

no they weren't

we have copies of the tawrat and injil from before Mohammed was even born

and they said exactly the same thing as modern bible say today

i think the main issue you have with the Bible is that you've been lied to and think that it's corrupted, or can be changed when an idea first written down in Greek is then translated into modern english -- even though SCIENCE tells us that even google translate can do a pretty good job at helping you talk to japanese people

if you want to see numerous english translations of the Bible alongside each other, go to both biblegateway.com and biblehub.com where you can even get the original greek texts and compare them with english... or whatever language you like

>no they weren't
>we have copies of the tawrat and injil from before Mohammed was even born
>and they said exactly the same thing as modern bible say today
source ?

i already linked 2 (two) sources that offer the original greek in that post you cited

>Bible is word of Allah
>The word of Allah can't be corrupted
>Therefore the Quran is false
based

user the tawrat and injel were modified before mohammed was born. the reason why god sent mohammed as the final prophet was to bring back the people of the book (jews and christians) back to the path of god back to the true path of monotheism

Qur'an 29:45-49

Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee and establish Regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of Allah is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And Allah knows the (deeds) that ye do.
And dispute ye not with the People of the Book except with means better (than mere disputation) unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say "We believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)."
And thus (it is) that We have sent down the Book to thee. So the People of the Book believe therein as also do some of these (pagan Arabs): and none but Unbelievers reject Our Signs.
And thou wast not (able) to recite a Book before this (Book came) nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case indeed would the talkers of vanities have doubted.
Nay here are Signs self-evident in the hearts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our Signs.

>user the tawrat and injel were modified before mohammed was born

and yet your prophet commands people to use those same books to judge whether the q'uran is legit?

are you sure you want to get on that wild ride?

he tells people to use the books to judge the Quran because the Quran has a lot in similar with the old books its literally a message from the same god sent to different prophets in different times. when I say the Bible was modified I don't mean its entirely erased and re written there a still parts that are intact for example the story of sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible version its say that Lot married his daughters after they survived god's punishment in the Qur'an version Lot didn't marry his daughters you notice the similarity? thats why mohammed tells you to look into your book and judge the Quran. now what makes more sense? a prophet from god(Lot) marrying his own daughters or him just surviving the punishment and living on?

I meant had sexual relationships with his daughters not married

Surah 5:47

> And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient."

... i'm sorry friend, but Allah says that the Gospel is his legit revelation and commands Christians to judge everything by the light of it, otherwise they are nothing but rebels

you on the other hand, are saying that Allah's revelation is corrupted

whomst should i believe?

(46. And in their footsteps, We sent `Isa, son of Maryam, confirming the Tawrah that had come before him, and We gave him the Injil, in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Tawrah that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for those who have Taqwa.) (47. Let the people of the Injil judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the rebellious.)
God says that he sent Jesus to confirm the torah
and just like that he also sent mohammed to confirm the injil if jesus was sent only to confirm the torah then why would god give Jesus the injil?
the answer is to renew the message of God
thats why God revealed the Quran to renew the message of the injil but its alright user I believe you are on the right path to discover the truth. good luck

you seem like a legitimately decent fella, and while i am diametrically opposed to you on many issues, i appreciate the sentiment and will remember to pray for you

You think god's gonna be mad at me for going to amsterdam for smoking weed and fucking hookers (losing my virginity there as well) after i decided that listening to him has got me jack shit in lifeespecially with the shite hand he dealt me in life?

Nah, deus vult

Where do we think God is? Specifically in the state of human separation. In what way can we find our God, our Home? Use any text you like. Or science.

Yes, the trinity as three disting hypostases or "persons" who are also one God, not as God taking 3 different forms, which would imply that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one entity conceptualized differently. They are not (according to catholicism) one entity but three completely distinct entities who are also each individually completely one entity.

Is suicide explicitly forbidden in islam?