It's the man's job to approach women

>it's the man's job to approach women
>It's considered desperate and a beta move to approach women and talk to them first

What even is this paradox? If I approach them I'm a beta grovelling at their feet for pussy because I'd never get it anyway else. If I don't approach them I'm not doing my job as a man to make the first move and will likely wait forever for a woman to approach me.

Is there no way at all through this hell? Am I just going to fail and fail till finally I'm 30 and I settle with some landwhale?

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>implying you will get pussy by grovelling at their feet
did you know that you can approach a female without putting her on a pedestal

god fucking damn the genetically inferior need to be killed, mentally and physically trash

Did you know that I've tried this before and still haven't seen success? Am I doomed for failure or am i just impatient?

I don't grovel at their feet and I'm not desperate for someone to respond, I'm frustrated that no matter what I do or how I approach them, I am always belittled or rejected.

I'm more concerned about
>it's creepy if you approach unknown women and ask them out
>it's creepy and manipulative if you befriend women to build up relationship and ask them out later

>Am I doomed for failure or am i just impatient?
yes, because you are a low testosterone genetic failure like 90% of men in western civilization

>we're found out

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You have to befriend women first, but make sure you're flirting all the time, and keep escalating physical interaction, but don't do it too quickly, but also don't wait too long, and also make sure you don't come off as desperate, but don't come off as too asexual, nice or willing to wait either...

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I highly doubt it's genetic. It's more psychological and cultural.

Besides that's hardly a solution

also don't show interest in them while showing interest in them

It's not a paradox.
Men aren't supposed to approach.

If you go outside you'll notice it's always women who initiate relationships and approach. The problem is that you need to have top 10% facial aesthetics for them to be interested in you.

>I highly doubt it's genetic. It's more psychological and cultural.
nope, you are not attractive to women physically or mentally

testosterone is the sole cause for every single mental and physical attractive trait in males, being a whiny fucking beta is the root cause of all your problems and it is genetic, completely ingrained inside of you, there is no such thing as "becoming alpha" when you were a weak faggot prior

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What if she had Forsyth spots. But is a solid 8/10

> it's the man's job to approach a women
Mostly yes, but exceptions are possible.
>It's considered desperate and beta...
That's where your thinking is wrong. It's not, not giving a shit is alpha.

How to meet women? Go talk to them, lmao, they're people just like you and me. Don't put women on pedestal. But holy fuck jesus christ don't you fucking dare to talk to them in public place, you fucking creep. Also don't talk to them in class, work, gym, store, library, or anywhere else. They would come talk to you if they wanted to interract. In other case just leave them be, you fucking creep. But remember, don't put women on pedestal, they're people just like you and me. Equals. No better or worse. Just go talk to them.

> situationally relevant conversation

Where then? That literally eliminates any possible place unless it's totally situational and coincidental

Chad can turn anything into a situational coincidence, somehow. It's an impressive skill.

If you don't know how to talk to women, then maybe you shouldn't even consider talking to women, you creep.

That's it then. Nothing works. It's not genetic either if any dumbass can get hitched and be happy. I'm just not going to care anymore. I'm not going to have ant emotional investment when talking to women and won't care if they reject me for whatever reason they came up with in their heads.

Who cares if I get rejected? The very act of caring at all about anything puts me at a disadvantage. So I'm not going to care.
I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want and stop putting women on any kind of pedestal at all. They're just people. Who cares?
>Don't know how to talk to women
>Can't talk to women because I don't know how

We're in a weird cultural moment where the old patterns of sexual interaction are gone and we don't have any new ones yet. It's really confusing to be a young man right now.

The proper thing to do is to build a network of friends and then casually invite the girls in it on dates. Not going to happen for people on this board though.

This. You're supposed to treat women as equals but also be a manly old timey gentleman at the same time. Good luck with juggling flirty man's man role and knight of equality at the same time. I'm not even saying old timey gentlemen is about being misogynist sexist, there's simply some things and traits that are attractive to women even if they're not politically correct things. Things such as giving flowers to women and making women actually feel like womanly women. Even the rattiest feminist will blush if you tell her dress is pretty.

I can do this and it doesnt come from practice I'll be honest.

I could tell you how I do it but you either wouldnt believe me or it'd be too far from your established beliefs that you would reject it

if you compliment a girl shes going to laugh or think you are an idiot. This is very basic to the point where not knowing it has you at a serious disadvantage

The double standard definitely exists but it's more like,

>You have to approach women to be able to get one

>But if you approach women and they don't approve of you it's harassment or sexual assault

Of course, and I'm sure you know this deep down. It's the Halo effect. Pretty guys and approach women or do anything really and be approved of, while less than desirable men aren't so fortunate

My gf even agreed with me when I suggested she would find it creepy if she was hit on by an ugly guy but she wouldn't if it was a hot guy.

attractive girls have an aura that rejects losers and so ugly people hitting on them suggests that they arent attractive lmao

They do that because it's the politically correct reaction. The voice may say
>how dares he reduce me to superficialities?!
but the heart will whisper
>wow he noticed my carefully planned and coordinated outfit!

You're not supposed to be a manly old timey gentleman. Is this bait?

Please do tell.

You have to be little bit of classic manly gentleman. Women are individuals, yes, but women generally like men with masculine man traits. You don't have to open car doors for them or any stupid shit like that, but it will benefit you greatly if you show some strong masculine traits. It's hardwired in people, no matter what buzzfeed or tumblr says.

I still have a little smidgen of hope that maybe one day I'll find someone that doesn't fall for that bullshit and isn't crazy or a social outcast. Still haven't found that unicorn though.

everything about approaching women for sex/relationships is paradoxical and nonsensical. It can't be logically justified because there is no logic to it. Give up trying and just wing it. It'll "feel right" eventually.

Why do you act like settling for a landwhale is easy? They'll reject you just like Stacy, man. Nobody wants you.

That's the other thing. All these bullshit articles about do's and don't's of dating dance around the issue, they won't admit the realities because it's not politically correct. Men and women are biologically different, not by much, but enough to sabotage your dating life if you start to live by buzzfeed rules. Most women are perfectly sane and safe to approach, but they too get affected by those bullshit rules because they feel guilt for being attracted by men who break those rules. Some women also feel sad because men are too afraid to talk to them.

You are absolutely retarded, you can get your test checked and have it be well within range and have a number of issues, get this psuedoscience crap out of here.
Show me one credible article on this, even one.

The first one is legit advice

The second is a shit test for betas