Is it normal for INFJs to be soft, quiet, and demure in their movements? I clasp my hands together in front of myself sometimes, cross my legs when sitting down, and on occasion make a limp wrist pose whenever I'm not thinking about it (I get embarrassed and stop whenever I notice though). I move objects and close doors and cabinets softly without making any kind of sound, and I chew my food primly and properly without making any smacking noises or opening my mouth. The most masculine thing about my posture is probably that I think manspreading is really comfortable, but I get self-conscious and stop if other people are around.
>Hitler is entirely different. His body does not suggest strength. The outstanding characteristic of his physiognomy is its dreamy look. I was especially struck by that when I saw pictures taken of him during the Czechoslovakian crisis; there was in his eyes the look of a seer. There is no question but that Hitler belongs in the category of the truly mystic medicine man. Jung on Hitler
>Guderian: It is a matter of profound indifference to the world whether we hold Kursk or not. I repeat my question. Why do we want to attack in the East at all this year? >Hitler: You're quite right. Whenever I think of this attack my stomach turns over. Hitler talking to Guderian about his gut feeling on Operation Citadel (which turned out to be a massive defeat and basically marked the defeat of German forces in Russia )
Zachary Harris
Hitler most certainly infj. Also, obligatory hitler did nothing wrong
Carter Wood
I still like to think he was an ISFJ, but that's just me
Jayden Campbell
Why didn't he have more wherewithal during his early life? He was known for starting countless different projects but growing bored and never finishing any of them, which is really the only thing that made me consider INFP as a possibility. Entering the political world at around the age of 30 was the first time he ever really saw anything through.
I dated a INFJ once, he looked and acted like a basedboy only was a bit more politically educated to be one.
I did think he was gay when I met him, most INFJ guys have this vibe I've found.
Aiden Robinson
thanks, I wasn't sure I'd be welcome here. Anyway, yes INFJs are super insecure about the world around them so will interact with it daintily, gently and awkwardly, until every now and then they'll become frustrated and just smash everything. Perhaps the INFJ habit of dropping things is their subconscious acting out.
Joseph Price
You're always welcome in Sophieanon's threads! You're too much of an interesting presence not to be.
Colton Murphy
I think it normal. I was like that and would often be made fun of for little movements I wasn't even aware of making. I once was teased by co-workers for putting a phone back on the receiver gently with two hands for example. Recently being in a specific environment, around hyper masculine men, I guess I sort of learned to emulate their behavior. Plus it was an environment in which it was necessary to be constantly aware of the surroundings at all times, so I think that my Se developed to a point of being indistinguishable from even Se doms.
>Why didn't he have more wherewithal during his early life? I would attribute it to being young and experiencing growth. It seems like he tried to find interests the he would like but nothing seemed to fit, as opposed to the stereotypical view of Ps or Ne where they, by necessity of desiring novelty, they fail to complete projects or cycle interests ad infinitum. I know that I had some interests as a child that I abandoned once I found better fits. Perhaps this is the case user? As you say, once he found his fit he knew what his purpose was. I view it as him searching for a purpose.
Lol, I'm not I swear. Although I did unknowingly wear a woman's coat for a while before it was pointed out to me. I just found it aesthetically pleasing. Had no idea.
Oliver Rodriguez
Oh, are you the person who said nice things about me before I got banned for avatarfagging?
Kevin Howard
You literally just threw a hissy fit again lol. You "btfo'd" yourself.
And that is not an opinion, thats me pointing out the factual incorrectness of your idea.
Lincoln Bell
Several MBTI threads back? Yes I remember. I'm glad that it is that which you remember and not the whole me lashing out due to projecting insecurities part. Again, sorry for that.
Jaxon Morgan
Dude are you serious? You did a vanishing act in that thread as soon as he asked you to support your claims.
Jacob Russell
>he no centaurcuck, no one is falling for it
Jackson Phillips
lol, okay user
Mason Martinez
I had actually forgotten about your initial posts 100 percent. But nah, the argumentation at the beginning wasn't that bad. All that will stick with me are the kind words, which I deeply appreciate, in part because what you described is the kind of person I would like to be. I would like to be smart because being a vapid, airheaded floozy isn't cool (and stupidity can also be responsible for cruelty sometimes), but I honestly don't care for a lot of 'intelligent' people because many of them tend to be snarky, snotty assholes (and since I value decency more than intelligence, I don't really care much about whether people are smart at all so long as they're kind and decent and moral).
Well, for what it's worth I meant what I said about you and I wasn't merely trying to make amends. I think you clearly demonstrate that depth of caring and understanding that is an unfortunate rarity in this world. It really is nice to see people like you and is one of the best things about MBTI, that you can know that these people actually exist and you're not all alone. Have a good night user.
Jayden Thomas
is it normal for INTPs to take up a lot of space? i usually spread my legs far apart when i can because it feels better to sit like that. i also like to put my arm on the backs of couches or chairs. idk for some reason i just like taking up physical space and i've heard INTPs are usually betas afraid of being judged for asserting themselves.
Carson Lopez
>Hitler >Evil pick one
Adrian Fisher
Family members and your relationship with them?
Dad: He's probably either an INFP or an ENFP. I dunno. He's become a more jovial extrovert from about 2001 onwards, though he was a very shy and withdrawn abused kid growing up. We didn't get along very well from roughly 2005 through 2011, but we're cool now. Despite seeming very different on the surface I think we're rather similar at our core.
Mom: She's taken the test and is an ISFJ. The one family member I've never had any trouble with at all.
Older Sister 1: ExFP. I'm not sure whether she's an S or N. We're different in a lot of ways but have a good relationship, and makes me feel more respected and likable than almost anyone else does offline.
Older Sister 2: IxxJ. She's complicated. She was very sensitive and girly when younger (I remember her feeling sad when a Gameboy game in Nintendo Power scored a 4, saying that she was sure the designers tried their best and that the score was mean), but after becoming a mom she hardened up a lot and is almost macho sometimes in her insensitivity. I dunno. We've always gotten along great, at any rate.
Older Brother: ESTP or ISTP, I'm not sure. We've had some clashes over the years because he's extremely S (I'm on the N/S cusp), and tends to be heavily skeptical of anything that doesn't already exist. He can also be really insensitive in general, so I don't really confide anything in him anymore. Still, he has a lot of good points, is generally a very nice person, and over the years is slowly becoming more sensitive and tactful.
Older Sister 3: Took the test in 2005 and got INFP. We used to be close, but I can't really tell if she likes me that much anymore. I dunno. We had compatible personalities whenever we had more of a relationship though.
This actually isn't something I've ever heard of before. Hopefully some other INTPs can weigh in
Carter Jenkins
I have depression and I've taken the test with and without pills. I feel like a different person while on meds so I figured I could score a different type, but nope. Is the test wrong or are infj that different from one another?
Without pills: > quiet, shy, often suicidal, can't stop trying to read body language, trying to figure out what people mean with their every word, worried about my future and place in this world, anxious about everything, overthinking everything people say, desperate for validation and group harmony, just can't stop overthinking
With pills: > energetic, talkative, more optimistic, give people their space, make jokes all the time, still think about the future but not that anxious over it, more focused on feeling good than making other people feel good, more individualistic (i don't crave for acceptance that badly anymore) and less worried about group harmony, more impulsive, less afraid to do things but at the same time it's easier to think things through with a cool head
I mean I feel like I'm a totally different person, I figured I'd score something different but it's all the same. Any other infj on depression (preferably being treated) can tell their experience? How much has it changed you?
Jacob Johnson
Dad: intp Mom: esfj Sister: esfp Brother: intp
We're dysfunctional as hell, but I'm on okay terms with my dad and sister. Fuck my intp brother, though.
Anthony King
I have a sort of personality dysmorphia.
'Healing' does nothing but make a man more complicated. More hard to understand.
Before I was damaged, I could understand myself. I was a normal child. At my worst, I still made sense. My pain was raw, its expression straightforward. I was in my most unfiltered, undiluted form.
My conscience propelled me to change. My demeanor softened. Some think that I'm a sweet person. Others describe me as kind, loyal, hard-working.
Yet deep down... I'm still the same broken person I always was. I don't even have the small comfort of being in touch with my feelings the same way as when I was openly a bitter, broken wreck.
My soul has been screaming for a long time, but at least I used to make no attempt to stifle those screams. The nicer and more outwardly stable I become, the more those screams become suppressed. The more people describe me in terms that do not sound like me.
The more outwardly normal I become, the deeper my pain becomes buried. The amount of people who realize that any such pain exists, that feel the need to reach out and hold me, will become ever fewer and fewer.
I hope that one day I can throw all my morals and social obligations aside and become nothing but a monster. Nothing but pure evil. Then, and only then, will I fully understand myself again.
Think of the most unhealthy version of intp. An insufferable asshole that thinks being smart gives you a free pass to be a jerk. Also he used to beat me when I was a kid, stole money from my parents all the time, and even now he drains my sister of money because he can't keep a job. He can be dead for all I care.
Joseph Thompson
If there's anything I've learned is that personalities aren't static. Life events and circumstances can change a person. Maybe not entirely, but a great deal. You can be a infp and transition to another personality due to a job change or traumatic event. Many extroverts go introvert after being bullied or abused. I think accepting that you're not the same person you used to be, and embracing your new self, is the hardest thing about change.
James Kelly
INFP is what I deduce but the more I read about these types the less sense they make
I'm pretty sure with all the types to be honest. I still spend a lot of time with my family and am fairly confident and there's not been anything that's made me doubt any of them over the years really. My parents are very religious but my family is also very weird and dysfunctional for many reasons.
Holy crap, a family of 8 and only one extrovert. What do you think of your INFJ brother?
Christopher Sullivan
My older brother is two years older than me and when we were growing up he was normally pretty well behaved and parents would always encourage me to act more like him. He got very angry about something on occasion but in general was very conscientious and very quiet. Many of us are introverted but my brother especially so when we were kids. He would often just read and not talk to the rest of us.
He eventually became a priest as soon as he was old enough to do but he was extremely certain that's what he wanted to do and had obviously been reflecting on doing so for a long time before. Obviously this required him to overcome his shyness but apart from that it's a path he was very well suited to. I don't see my brother quite as much as I used to and we had one unrelated major family falling out recently that stemmed from his and my parents religious beliefs, but aside from that I still think I'm close to him and I respect him a huge amount.
Mom: ISTJ for sure, took the test and got ISTJ Dad: ESTP probably, test results are ESTP but he does look more I Younger sister: IxFP, I believe N but I am not sure. Test says INFP. Me: INTJ, tests give me INTJ or INTP, mostly INTJ
Xavier Green
How people give types to fictional characters since they cannot take tests?
Logan James
>having this little awareness and critical thinking ability
Brody Fisher
>and i've heard INTPs are usually betas afraid of being judged for asserting themselves.
Stereotypes are just stereotypes. This stereotype originates from the fact that Introverted + Intuitive is misunderstood as shy + impractical.
Joshua Hughes
>typing others, and not even real people >having any awareness or critical thinking You have it in reverse.
Jacob Hill
I'm an INFJ-T and do everything you described, but I don't even manspread. :3c
Eli Collins
this has nothing to do with assertiveness.
Adam Scott
What is the best MBTI pairing and why is it INTJ female with a INFJ male?
I know one, she's single to this day. I'm afraid they aren't very good at relationships.
Jordan Cook
yeah yeah i get it, can't determine the motivations behind what people do.
ultimately though, the behavior and dialogue we're exposed to does reveal a lot about characters, even ones which have public personas like frank underwood.
Gavin Jones
I really wish I could answer that question but I'm not sure if I'm like that because I'm an INFJ or because I'm a half faggot
Oliver Martin
What do you mean she isn't any good with relationships? What's wrong with her
Justin Reed
Probably she's like male INTJs and can't into feelings even when she wants.
Dominic Brown
INTP here if its not too much trouble, could I ask for your youngest sisters contact info
Blake Jackson
I think infj and infj is about as amazing as it could ever get. But I am biased and it is all that I have experienced personally. I could not imagine anything better desu
Jack Cooper
My youngest sister? No. By the way, she has not long turned 16 and she is pretty mental. I think she also already has a bf just now but I'm not sure
Joseph Richardson
16 is the age of consent in my state, user also is she the angry/emo kind of mental or the creepy psychotic kind?
Luke Morales
I don't know, she's like the conspiracy theory type of mental and she brings it into literally everything.
Luis Lopez
oh hell yeah i can get behind that you got a height and color panties she wears?
Adrian Nguyen
Sounds familiar. My ex gf was an INTJ and she would never show any signs of affection unless I did something. Besides that, terrible with empathy. and always gave me stupid solutions.
Brandon Rivera
My family are all pretty tall. My youngest sister is 5'10 I think?
(This is not happening btw)
Matthew Parker
user, I'm in love I've never been in love this hard before please I must speak to her if only to tell her how beautiful her mind and body are
Connor Richardson
wew I asked her and she's actually 5'11 !
You fell in love pretty quick so I don't know about that
Jaxon Taylor
>move out of the capital into a smaller city a year ago >an INFP girl messaged ME on tinder not long ago >tfw first match and first message on the app >10 months actively swiping with NO replies from anyone >she talks like an INTP and is a complete autist >after a week finally video call thinking that she's actually a guy >she's a girl and we both spend 6 hours talking about nonsense without a break How do I NOT fuck this up. I'm INTJ.
>spend 6 hours talking about nonsense without a break This is a good sign
If you can talk to someone for a long time then try and get a relationship out of this and not just a fuck. Just keep talking about stuff but also try to make plans to meet IRL etc.
Cameron Powell
It must be destiny! Don't you see? I've been a neet all my life so I could browse this board and meet her! The stars aligned o this magical night to bring two lovers together! I'm 23 white and 5'10 if it helps visualize
Sebastian White
I already filled 14 pages with plans, pondering on how to approach this, how things can fail and what I should do or should not do. I think it's all bullshit, because if I knew what to do, this wouldn't be the first girl I talked to since I was 11 over a decade ago.
Andrew Russell
>It must be destiny! Sounds like it. Pic related is 5'10 you next to my 5'11 sister.
If you can talk for so long surely she is interested, so it should be hard to fuck this up. Take in account that if she is interested, then she's is nervous about it too.
Chase Powell
You can feel free to laugh at my height, but I shall continue in my pursuit of love, undaunted! It matters not the size of my body, but the size of my heart anyways. Please tell her she means the world to me.
William Flores
>that INTP who looks like an ISTP, communicates like an ENFJ, feels like an INFP, and is disciplined as an INTJ >is me always minmaxing nigguh
Dad: ESTJ and is literally the most ESTJ ever to have ETSJ'd
Mum: ISFJ and pretty clear cut also. Neither of my parents have done tests but it's very obvious.
Me: INTP
Sister: Proabably ISFP. That's what she got on 16 memesonalities and it seems accurate although I wouldn't be totally surprised if she was INFP. ISFJ also seems an outside possibility, but I think she uses Fi predominately even if she has the whole accommodating/mediating Fe thing just because she's an F.
Landon Parker
He wasn't evil.
James King
H-how would an INTP and INFJ relationship work out...?
with the INFJ girl allowing herself to be used by the INTP, but he would probably make her wear a cage for her penis.
Christian Lewis
Infj here
Mother estp. She was always pushing me outside and to go do things. It was honestly quite stressful growing up like that, always being pushed out of the things you found comforting. Looking back though I certainly did benefit in a lot of ways. Almost no rules. Go outside and roam, be home by dark. One time she threw away all of my playthings in order to teach a lesson because I was too attached to them.
Brother istj. Shittest relationship there could ever be. Literally have not talked in years.
Wife infj. The level of communication and genuine understanding is really great. We get too used to it and when we are with other people (rarely) we remember what it was like before we found each other and had nobody who really understood us. It is not an extreme passion relationship, like an intense blazing flame. It is more like a bed of coals that will burn for a long time.
My only friend is an intp and we really just send rambling 40 page emails to each other every month or so. Can talk about anything in depth. It is nice. I could see an infj and intp relationship working out.
What lol, I was graduating college and needed a place to live. She owned a house and was a virgin so I knew it was a pretty sweet deal all things considered. She was the first girl that would have sex with me willingly and she did not mind me playing video games all the time. I know I took a risk with marriage but she really is different. Plus she knows that if she ever tries to screw me over I will burn the house down. Keep em in line....and you will be fine.
Nicholas Flores
Thanks for the insightful advice, now here's some advice for you in pic related.
No it isn't you faggot, it's because inferior Fe greatly values peace and haromony and when in stressful social situations INTPs are relying on a function that they have little control over since they categorise their experiences with Si and no matter how hard they try a logical, rational approach does not help calm other human beings.
And introverted people are obviously more shy on average, they have less experience with social interaction, this stereotype is based on reason, your dismissal is based on ignorance.
Colton Perry
Their actions, words, dreams and the way they interact with others?
Cooper Nguyen
Nah, I think I will just stay here shitposting on my phone at work and then go home to pic related.
>she tells you the entire menu over text message jesus christ
Jackson Bailey
>normies continue to prove that they're absolute shit human beings because they have to brag about their life to others to boost their own confidence and go to a community where they don't belong even if there are 100000 other communities that are made just for them Nice!
Thomas Ortiz
Does anyone else get random megalomanic fantasies and thoughts of how you could better the world by ruling with an iron fist. t. ENTP
Julian Hall
I forgot to say I don't manspread because I think that's too masc for my taste! I prefer to sit with my legs close or even crossed, because that's comfy and kyoot! :3
It sounds perfect! However, I have an intuition that one of them should be -A and the other -T so they balance each other and get things done. I hope that helps! UwU
Liam Brooks
ISFP or INFP here
The same nightmares again. Repeating the traumatic event endlessly. I can't imagine recovering from this. It's like a mutation in Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup - it can't be cured, you just have to live with your mutated self and hope you can still make it to the end of the game.
Andrew Murphy
Mom. ENTP. I hate her. Extremely manipulative, mean, argumentative. Loves to put people down while never understanding why no one likes her. Also, she molested me as a child cuz of the "evil men" in her life. I haven't spoken to her in 11 years.
Dad. INTP. Can think independently, but never acts independently. He latches onto people he thinks are stronger than himself. Lazy, cowardly, always afraid of offending people even when nothing is wrong. We didn't get along before, but we are better now.
Stepmom. ENTJ. Dislike her. Narcissistic, demanding. Spends more time on her job than her family. Throws a temper tantrum when suffering a narcissistic injury, or when things don't go her way. At least she isn't as bad as my actual mother.
Little brother. ESFP. Always cheerful, enthusiastic. Most people like him. But struggles to come up with his own ideas and opinions. We get along, but aren't that close.
Little sister. ENFP. Creative. Sociable. Most people like her. And she has a few orbiters as well. Very good at drawing. We get along very well, despite the 12 year age difference.
