What do you guys think of Dr Greger's food recommendations? His videos get recommended to me on youtube

I am a doctor, I think a lot about how people use us as props as they battle over their little food religions.

Props? These doctors are usually actively engaged in promoting the diet they believe in. Look at Dr. Esselstyn for example, he had consistently great results with his dietary intervention for heart disease patients and went on to write books/ hold talks for the general public about it.

Eating more plants is good. Eating only plants is bad.

>It's another Jow Forums disagrees with basic principles (lower meat intake, higher fruits and vegetables) that literally almost every major health organization unanimously agrees with episode
Yeah, teenager on Jow Forums, I'm sure you're more knowledgeable about nutrition than the world health organization

Why

>Eat meat for 2 million years
>Suddenly meat bad
You can't make this shit up. Only city people far removed from nature can buy into this.
If you want to be healthy eat your animal products.
The demonization of animal products will go down as one of the biggest blunders in nutrition.

How did we hunt before we invented tools and developed our big brains? We just aren't equipped to be carnivores. And only herbivorous animals get atherosclerosis. Weird how that is the leading cause of death in the world, isn't it?

He's a straight up liar

m.youtube.com/watch?v=TamyKMlce_o

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wlVMFxu55qE

Any food consumed in excess is bad. Huans have been having alcohol and caffeine and tobacco for thousands of years , but having too much of any will kill you
Human diets consisted mostly of fruit and vegetables and on the rare occassions we caught some game we could get lean meat.
Studies show the average Ameican consumes way too much meat .

>on the rare occassions we caught some game we could get lean meat.
Not that guy but you're not gonna throw away the fatty parts of the animal if you don't have an abundance of food.

True , but I was thinking most wild animals are leaner than the cows and pigs we fatten up nowadays.
Fats have other uses for waterproofing clothing and shoes and crafting too.

>Human diets consisted mostly of fruit and vegetables
No it did fucking not. We followed and hunted mostly wild ruminants. It was the staple of our diet. It would simply have been impossible to obtain enough calories without doing so.

Agricultural societies did incorporate grains and ate less meat. But they did eat dairy and eggs to compensate. You wouldn't want to kill a chicken that still lays eggs, nor would you want to kill a cow that still gives milk. Cows were also used as a beast of burden as well.
Grains are nothing more than a calorie crop and were only eaten in necessity because it was the only way to sustain a large non moving population. Their actual micro nutrient content isn't all that impressive. Most agricultural societies actually eat a lot less variety of plants. You wouldn't want to waste precious energy working on farming broccoli which has no return on calories.

>Studies show the average Ameican consumes way too much meat .
That's a biased conclusion out of shitty epidemiological studies comparing the standard American diet, probably the worst diet ever, to health conscious people who've been told to eat less meat to be healthy, which is only slightly healthier.
Also a reminder that scientist do not need to disclose the fact that they are vegetarian or vegan, not that that could possibly be a conflict of interests, right?

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We aren't explicitly carnivores, herbivores or omnivores. Humans simply adapted to eat whatever is available at the time.
We don't need meat and we don't need vegetables. We only need calories.

>Bart Kay

lol

Now this is some next level retardation.
There are micro nutrients that our body requires, can't make itself and can only be obtained by eating other animals.

We are obligatory carnivores. Deal with it.

If that were true I'd be dead by now

Your health will suffer from it.
How long have you been vegan?

You're probably trolling, but early humans were persistence hunters before developing ranged hunting tools

almost 4 years now. At the very least I should be getting sick or emaciated often according to you. But I haven't been sick once and I gained 15 lbs this winter

if the WHO is made up of people that look like the rat in OP's picture, why should I care about what they recommend?

Source?

>ranged hunting tools
I was talking about hunting tools in general, not just ranged ones. Weird how a supposedly carnivorous species is not equipped to kill its prey without tools, isn't it?

It's Jow Forums in a nutshell, really. I mean you could easily find a MD who supports eating meat, so that you at least counter the words of one doctor with another doctor, but nope! Let's go with the flat-earther who admits openly to being commited into an asylum! I mean he HATES VEGANS, that's the only credential we need! Obviously he must not only be right about everything else he says, but be the perfect mouth-piece for the message too! And no need to disprove the doctor either, we'll just call him a "shill" and the whole thing a conspiracy - there, done.

Food isn't medicine

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vey good

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But some foods are healthier than others

I follow a vegan diet to basically 80% then I just throw in eggs dairy meat . Since they’d die if not vegans are quite good at minmaxing the veg, then you just throw in some real food on top instead of 140 pills a day

>Human diets consisted mostly of fruit and vegetables and on the rare occassions we caught some game we could get lean mea
That is not even theoretically possible. You are completely oblivious to the fact that all plants that we eat today have been cultivated to a point that they literally have 10 times as much carbs and thus calories than they originally had. The most nutritious plants you would find back in nature are things comparable to berries (things like red/black currant) or their equivalents. You would literally have to eat several bushes of berries per person per day to get close to 2000 calories (and a bush can only be eaten once a fucking year before it regrows). It is completely impossible to get a significant amount of calories from plants in nature. It is theoretically impossible that our ancestors ate the majority of their calories from plants.

Why do vegans pretend I can't get fat eating brown rice and beans? I ate whole pots full of that shit with a fuckload of salsa well over 2000 calories of food and still wanted more. Doesn't matter if I added vegenaise or not either. The meals aren't hard to woof down let's stop larping. Carbs are not good for weight management.

In what situation would we not have tools available to us?

- You were most likely using oil
- Sounds like you only ate starches without any veggies
- You ate vegenaise
- You lump all carbs together as if sugar, rice and broccoli were even remotely comparable for weight management

post body

Before we learned to use them. What did we eat before that? And what carnivorous species needs tools to kill its prey? If we evolved to hunt why don't we have have sharp claws and fangs like every animal of prey?

Learned to use them? It's an inate instict to use tools to kill things, throwing a rock or a spear at an animal doesnt take learning. That's why every indigenous tribe in the world uses tools.
What plants could we even survive off in europe? There's a few berries about for 6 months of a year and thats about it. We survived a fucking ice age ffs

>There's a few berries about for 6 months of a year and thats about it.
Hey now, you are forgetting about the wild vegetables that contained about 5 calories per 100 gram.

No I only occasionally used oil via the vegenaise I just fucking told you. Nobody throws oil into rice n beans. You're being an idiot. I ate a fuckload of tomatoes, peppers, and onions in my salsa. I ate 8 servings of beans and 8 servings of brown rice that's more fiber than you have the balls to eat. And I was still hungry a few hours later. Luckily I had self control but vegans lie about it being oh so satiating.

You're dodging the question. Why do we even need tools if we evolved to hunt? Is it because we really didn't but were smart enough to figure out how to do it anyways?

Sounds like you're a total fatass t.b.h., most people wouldn't be able to eat that

We evolved to hunt using tools you braindead vegan shill. There's many animals that use tools in nature, the reason we're the apex predator is because we evolved to use them much better than every other animal

Bart kay already anally raped him

based

It's amazing how vegans have no arguments against bart kay

m.youtube.com/watch?v=buk8_juEOv8

They always answer with an ad hominem or an ad verecundiam

>an illiterate MD who takes people of the standard American diet, gets results
>not that amazing

Problem here is he doesn't understand why he gets those results. Eating fat and carbs chronically throughout the day causes a greater inflammatory effect, dietary intervention compared to the standard American diet will always net results and its not confined to "plant based nutrition".

"Dr. Gregor" in particularlies out of the mouth all the time, especially claiming "fat causes diabetes". Anyone who's a pathophysiologist will tell you he's a retard.

Why is eating fat and carbs problematic?

>Randle Cycle, body has two energy inputs, fats or carbs
>greatest inflammatory effect when combining these macros, because these energy systems are not interchangable, no hybrid solution
>chronically eating this shit, especially processed foods will keep a person chronically inflammed throughout the day

Then there's the fact that if you're a plant base/vegan for 1-3 those people start to physically deteriorate due to lacking nutrition.

>can't rebut a trained scientific researcher, peer reviewer of an actual scientific publication, senior lecturer of medical students

The laughable state of illiterate vegan retards

>stay mad bro

Gregor is a fraud, he even gets called out by other vegan for his pseudo scientific cherry picking, blatant misrepresentation of research and his chronic shilling of worthless supplements.

>this atop of looking like an emaciated faggot

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>trained scientific researcher, peer reviewer of an actual scientific publication, senior lecturer of medical students
Why did he go from there to being a tiny, irrelevant Youtuber? Was he fired for being insufferable and incompetent?

I just looked up his age and he's only 46
How can anybody take advice from him when he looks like this

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Honest question: are you a huge, neigh obsessed fan of Bart Kay or are you, in fact, Bart Kay?

>>an illiterate MD who takes people of the standard American diet, gets results
>>not that amazing
No other dietary intervention was able to achieve his results

Have you never seen somebody kill a goose with their bare hands? You just grab the neck and spin it. Humans can easily kill birds, rodents and fish without tools. Apart from that stealing eggs was always an option

HAHAHA he looks like a pedophile. How do vegans who are mostly roasties not immediately run away?

Okinawans eat a lot of pork and are one of the longest living groups

We evolved from ancestors that mostly ate plants and insects. Just like our closest relatives, the (tool using) great apes do. You are willfully ignorant.

No, he completed the time on his contract, he just really got tired of all the veganism agenda in academia

> No other dietary intervention was able to achieve his results

No other was tested, a carnivore diet would get much, much better results

>Gregor is a fraud, he even gets called out by other vegan for his pseudo scientific cherry picking, blatant misrepresentation of research
Source?
>his chronic shilling of worthless supplements.
He advises vegans to take B12 and that's it. He doesn't sell any supplements or push any specific brands.

Chimpanzees have been observed hunting with sharp sticks. So monkey men have probably had some kind of killing tool at their disposal for 8 million years now.

Good luck catching geese or fish with your bare hands lmao. We are not well equipped for that.

Yes we evolved to use tools from our ancestors that ate mostly plants and insects. Those ancestors were not humans, they are different animals to us. It's like saying we evolved from gorillas so we should eat like a gorilla even though we have completely different biologies from them.

So you are saying that the academic consensus disagrees with him? Not surprising, since literally no one (except for a handful of mentally ill Youtubers) shares his position. Are you sure it was his decision to quit though? Doesn't seem like a wise career move, considering that he barely gets any clicks on Youtube.

>No other was tested
Jesus christ, what a retarded statement. You could have googled it or at least thought about it for a minute before you wrote that post. Did you really think Dr. Esselstyn was the only person in medical history to conduct a dietary intervention study for heart disease? Fucking lol.

>Chimpanzees have been observed hunting with sharp sticks
Yes, chimpanzees who eat mostly plants and insects and on rare occasions meat.

Whatever, enjoy your atheroslerosis. Oh wait, carnivorous animals don't get atherosclerosis, I forgot.

Where can I find a list of all animals getting atherosclerosis?

> source

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2qlG6qOxQ_U

Just one example

> the academic consensus disagrees with him

Not really, its just the industry paying people in the right places

maybe they eat a lot of pork now, but their life expectancy has also been declining. the traditional okinawa diet consisted primarily of sweet potato, rice, onions. they ate "a tiny amount of fish", and pork "very rarely". 80% of calories from carbs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa_diet

s o y, not onions.

>Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1,2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

I honestly dont get it. Who sees this dude and goes like "damn, I should copy his diet".

Ah yes, the mighty fake meat/ vegan milk industry with their 1% market share compared to meat, dairy and eggs.

Huans?As in Mexicans?

I mean it seems more likely that dairy and meat companies will just buy them out if they ever become an actual threat. Or just set up subsidiaries and profit from both vegans and meat-eaters.

i'm guessing nobody. they probably copy his diet because he seems knowledgeable, and backs up his claims with research. copy somebody's diet because of how they look is pretty stupid.

The same freaks that see negroids and go "black lives matter"
It's by design. Gregor talks about integrating veganism with other social justice movements. United all this unwholesome shit becomes a mighty faggot.

Tyson Foods is a lead investor in Beyond Meat. Tyson Foods is a "food processor and marketer of chicken, beef, and pork". The food giants are literally investing in vegan foods in order to hedge their bets.

He looks 10-20 years older than he is and is skinny fat. I'll find advice elsewhere, thanks.

But I'd argue they are just reacting to changes in the market. Why would they invest money to get their customers to buy a different product of theirs?

Because 1) a company wants profit and they invest where they believe they will get that. A company that ties itself to a particular market makes a strategic mistake. Lots of famous companies started of as something completely different from that they are known for today.
2) The most likely outcome is a slight reduction in the meat market and a slight growth in the plant-based market; if your company controls both you can get revenue from both markets. In the unlikely scenario that the meat market goes bust and the plant-based one becomes dominant, you can simply shift focus and go on doing business as usual.

(Oil companies invest in solar power. Not much but they do.)

>It's Jow Forums in a nutshell, really. I mean you could easily find a MD who supports eating meat

Uh ... Yeah that would be 98% of the medical doctors in the world. They're just scared to say it in public because they know what Happened to Shawn Baker, Tim noakes, Bart Kay, Watson and others.

>Speak the truth
>Career destroyed

It's every humans choice what they eat. Starvation cult diet, junk food diet, primal diet take your choice it's up to you!

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Vegans-

Out of one side of their mouth they're screaming about how science and studies "prove" how healthy Veganism is.

Out of the other side of their mouth is all the reasons why they can't debate Bart Kay lol.

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>Uh ... Yeah that would be 98% of the medical doctors in the world. They're just scared to say it in public because they know what Happened to Shawn Baker, Tim noakes, Bart Kay, Watson and others.
So there is a medical consensus that meat is healthy but somehow this huge majority of doctors gets silenced by a tiny minority? Brb, gotta find my tinfoil hat real quick.

Hi Bart! Or the guy who has a crush on Bart.

Why not talk more about these 98% instead of the sun-staring flat-earth faggot Sv3rige? O right they can't say anything because the Jew Reptiles will get them! Only Bart and Sv3rige have the balls to stand up to our overloards and eat rotten meat like retards. Makes perfect sense!

His last debate was absolutely embarrassing
>provides no evidence
>acts like a child
>ragequits when confronted with facts and logic

youtu.be/YS1rwo-PZOw

The revelation that this is an insane conspiracy theory is fucking hilarious.

Yes, I found that one (1) source for the claim. That's not what I asked for though, is it?

>but somehow this huge majority of doctors gets silenced by a tiny minority

Try speaking against jews in television and see what happens

I don't really blame, the lack of cholesterol, carnitine, creatine and taurine in your diet already shrank your brain to a point of no return

>ragequits when confronted with facts and logic
>his opponents says mechanistic studies are worthless
> said "vegan doctor" isn't even a doctor, he's just the ask yourself guy with a voice changer

You can ask for whatever you want, that doesn't mean I will spend my time looking it up for you lol. I provided a source, the article links provides citations for the claim and you are free to post evidence that disproves the article I posted or further research the topic by yourself.

>IT'S DA JOOS!!!
Fuck off to Jow Forums then.

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Leftists, females, male femenists, antifa street advocates. I can't think of any sane or normal people who would join a starvation cult.

>ask yourself guy with a voice changer
Just when you thought the schitzo conspiracy couldn't become more ridiculous

>rice
>bread
If you want heart failure and b vitamins defficiency sure whatever

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