Anyone else realize they vote against their best interests, I a a disabled neet and voted for trump and have allied myself with right wing views, I'm drunk as hell right now but have had a awakening, I'm voting against my own interests but even more so that pisses me off is the fact that I would be looked down upon and rejected by the rich and that society, I'm imagining all the people in the hamptons happy and fast asleep with no worry, but here I am at 2:30am drunk to numb the pain of our society.
Anyone else feel this way? I'm done with everything, I want to become a communist, everyone should be equal finacially.
"I'm a disabled neet" Yup, that sounds like a commie if you ask me
Blake Ramirez
Get a job you fucking oxygen thief.
Parker Gray
Not him, but I sure hope for your sake you never become disabled and can't work. That would suck
Jordan Bailey
Want me to feel sorry for you? How can I feel sorry for some one who wants to introduce an ideology that's responsible for countless people dying. Have you tried to get a job online?
Jace White
the only people of the left I respect are anarchists (not le antifa meme but genuine believers) statist left are cancer
Dylan Rogers
By working you are funding Israel. Glad I have my grandma's inheritance. Have fun working wagie! remember another day another dollar!
Nathan Taylor
fuck you bitch fuck you bitch I would if I could.
Carson Barnes
Absolutely.
For some reason, everybody on this board is so filled with self-hatred that they sacrifice their own emotional well-being by voting against themselves, or encouraging hatred against people who are in the same position as them.
The reason they do this is because since all the anons here cannot conquer their own personal goals, and they cannot even master their own lives that everyone else holds them responsible for, they seek to show everyone around them how willing they are to change by fighting against themselves.
And the worse it gets, the more they self-sacrifice, even if it begins to hurt and no longer feel good.
I have a couple youtube rants about this exact thing and my personal experience with it. Specifically, I used to be an alt-right nazi. Now I'm starting to lean as a moderate democrat because instead of blanket-apply my principles to every situation, I'd prefer to know the details of the situation to work out a real solution. As opposed to hating welfare, I'd prefer to know the financial situation of the government on how to improve welfare so that it can be a self-sustaining system.
Most alt-right fucks don't care enough about anything but themselves for them to put any effort in understanding things like that.
William Nelson
Well have fun with your depression and drinking at 3am faggot Neet. And fuck off with that "Funding Israel", I aint no yank cunt.
Jaxon Rivera
I hope I don't switch batch once this liquor wears off, but i couldn't be thinking clearer right now, I'm scared to be honest, I see the truth right now but I don't wont to switch back in the morning.
Robert Wright
At least I can stay up at 3am, best damn time of the day.
Dylan Kelly
shut the fuck up commie COMMUNIGGERS GET THE ROPE GOD BLESS THE U.S AND GOD BLESS NEW JERSEY STATE
Caleb Watson
it's probably just the liquor, honestly. but your life could probably improve.
Although at first I celebrated trump as a wrench in the cogs of the system, I now realize that trump means our doom. Even though he thwarted the system he is not going to be the one to take it down. When he goes what he did will be fixed, more control will be put in place (and already is being put in place). The backdoor will be fixed and no damage will have been done. There will never be another chance for a great leader.
he won't get elected, stick with getting him into the debates
Evan Jackson
Communism is extremely inefficient economic system. All countries in Eastern block had massive shortages of basic goods (pic rel). Economic equality, extensive social security etc. discourages people from taking more demaning but higher profiting jobs and basic enterprising spirit.
Communism is good in theory, but doesn't really work outside of really small communities, which it's not twven that good at forming, u like religion, if you want communism being a part of say Amish is as close as you gonna get.
Caleb Walker
commies don't believe everyone should be financially equal though, the concept of Marxian equality doesn't insure financial equality. "from each according to his own ability, to each according to his own needs."
>unlike religion Fix Seriously, I've been left leaning my entire life and communism is just really bad at forming communities compared to religion.
Camden Phillips
>that is implying that sanctions don't effect a country and yeah if a system feeds EVERYONE they will run short, but only for limited times because of lack of trade, because sanctions. Look at where your food comes from in the winter, Brazil, Colombia, or China. classroom.synonym.com/list-of-foods-imported-into-the-us-12080392.html these countries are less affected by winter as compared to European countries. and most of the time they didn't have real shortages of all food just particular food and at some points the people where forced to eat only bread, this isn't good but it was equal.
The more interesting part is how much capitalism loses in productivity
before this thread gets driven down to insanity i'd like to remind that communism is essentially >"From each according to his ability, to his according to his need" aka you work your ass out to the best of your ability but you'll be provided just enough for your survival.
Dominic Bailey
>it's capitalism's fault people starved in the USSR OH NO NO NO NO NO
Jose Long
>The more interesting part is how much capitalism loses in productivity Is this a joke? Just look at north vs south korea. Look how much more productive west germany was than east germany.
East germany is STILL catching up to west germany today.
Someone didn't watch the video >say on three periods of starvation >at the beginning >after WW2 >under Gorbs rule (the fag that made USSR capitalist) the right really is dumb >sanctions don't matter someone never took econ 101 one of the ten principles is trade make everyone better And North Korea literally only could trade with China And what you've been told in your capitalist schools is just propaganda comrade
Isaiah Turner
lol not everyone >economy does nothing to affect human actions okay go live in Somali then
>>under Gorbs rule (the fag that made USSR capitalist) Look at this absolute brainlet. USSR was always semi capitalist. Lenin tried ACTUAL socialism(central planning) under war communism but it turned out to be an absolute failure so they switched to a state controlled market economy. Gorb didn't make ussr capitalist, it was already semi capitalist, he just implemented a few tiny reforms to an already failing economy.
>>sanctions don't matter HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Bruh, communist countries controlled half the fucking world and regularly traded with each other. Are you honestly saying they were poor because they didn't have access to the capitalist west? The capitalist west didn't have access to the communist economies and they managed to dramatically increase living standards for their people. Imagine being this brainwashed.
>someone never took econ 101 You're a fucking MARXIST LOL
>And what you've been told in your capitalist schools is just propaganda comrade Public schools are leftist propaganda and all commies need helicopter rides.
>posting an image of low IQ people who were too stupid to make something of themselves Even these losers still get food everyday without having to work. Can't say that about the USSR.
>>economy does nothing to affect human actions When did I say this? Of course it does, to an extent. Braindead marxists however think ALL human action is the result of economic forces. It's pure pseudoscience.
>okay go live in Somali Why would I want to live in a failed socialist state?
Brandon Robinson
Well i'd like to live in a commie regime but... >no internet >no steam >no free(high spec) pcs because "they do not producing anything desu" >no porn because feminist shit
I'd prefer capitalism
Ryder Phillips
>making the rich richer No, I'm not, you're the one that supports central banking. You print trillions of dollars and give it to bankers and corporations. You suck the cock of the state which completely controls your life. You want to be enslaved lol.
Jonathan Jackson
>rich people are rich So? Why is this bad? It's not like taking their money will increase the well being of the working class. It will just cause price increases.
Chase Torres
>>after WW2 That's funny that people starved to death in the USSR after WW2.
After WW2 in america, we dramatically cut spending and taxes and we had the most economically productive year in american history. We had the highest living standards on earth lol
let's just all agree that national socialism is the answer
Brayden Morgan
>planned economy isn't socialism back to antifa with you >planned economy is capitalist but no private property, are you stupid or just in denial >Communism owned half the world back to math class for you, and if you look at the map you'll notice the countries that are Communist don't have a great agriculture scene and there are few that are below the equator, therefore finding plant foods in winter is difficult. >Capitalism makes everyone better tell that to Libya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Mexico, Italy, Greece, etc. Capatalism only helps the rich and the countries the rich reside in. >Marxist lol epic meme econ 101 has taught me that the rich ceo's take all of the surplus profits >public schools are leftist propaganda the I'm so far right that centrist schools are leftist propaganda to me, you really don't know what left is reactionary.
>>planned economy isn't socialism >back to antifa with you It is though. I thought the entire point was to get rid of markets and money. USSR had markets, money and some private control of the means of production. In fact their non-collectivized farms were a small part of the economy but overwhelmingly produced the largest amount of food. Without the tiny amount of capitalism in the ussr it would have collapsed under lenin.
>but no private property USSR had private property see above and pic related
>and if you look at the map you'll notice the countries that are Communist don't have a great agriculture scene and there are few that are below the equator, therefore finding plant foods in winter is difficult. Many of those places it wasn't that difficult to farm, also they had a fuckton of other natural resources that could have been used. Commies actually blaming the capitalist west for their failures is beyond pathetic. HAHAHAHAHAHA
> Libya, Zimbabwe, Brazil, Mexico, Italy, Greece, etc. These are some of the least capitalist places on earth and in most of these examples they are/were socialist countries. Holy shit the fucking delusion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom They're some of the least economically free countries on earth. Compare that to the most economically free, like Switzerland, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand etc.
>Capatalism only helps the rich and the countries the rich reside in. Then why do Swiss workers have the highest living standards on earth?
>econ 101 has taught me that the rich ceo's take all of the surplus profits You learned this bullshit from marxist youtube videos lol. Surplus value has been debunked in favor of marginal utility. >you really don't know what left is reactionary. reactionary is a leftist buzzword like a christian calling people sinner lol also last time I checked, public schools are owned by the government
>low Iq lol im just going to dismiss this because I doubt you are any higher than them >ALL human action is the result of economic forces I truelly don't understand what you are saying, because an indivudal's nations economy sure does affect how the person lives and how he acts accordingly >live in a falied state can't cause Cuba and Rojava are succeeding right now and all failed states are gone > >central banking makes rich richer? some one read too much Soros conspiracy, I believe in no bank or public owned banking, you are the one keeping the bank oligopoly alive > cause price increases The CEO would rather increase his price to keep his yachts rather than take the lose, and I don't just want to take their money but I also want to hang them afterwards. >After WW2 in america >america lol usa had no war on their land, better comparison is other European countries, that actually saw war and felt the destruction.
>lol im just going to dismiss this because I doubt you are any higher than them Seeing how I'm able to easily rekt commies in a debate I'd say you're wrong and coping lol.
>because an indivudal's nations economy sure does affect how the person lives and how he acts accordingly Of course it does stupid. Why do I keep having to repeat myself for you brainlets? Many things contribute towards human behavior, genetics, instincts, their upbringing, culture and yes, economic forces. Marxists however, foolishly believe all human action to be the result of economic forces. This is fucking retarded.
>can't cause Cuba and Rojava are succeeding right now They are absolute failures and rojava is just a military outpost. Cuba has failed so fucking hard that people risk their lives to leave. Cuba is failing so hard that they are slowly turning capitalist to save themselves. >some one read too much Soros conspiracy HAHAHAHA Wow marxist shitstains truly are bootlickers. They shill for the status quo so fucking hard and get mad whenever anyone calls them out on their central banker cumdrinking >believe in no bank or public owned banking Make up your mind lol >you are the one keeping the bank oligopoly alive Marx literally stated he supported central banking lol >The CEO would rather increase his price to keep his yachts rather than take the lose This is completely irrelevant information. The CEO is bound by market forces himself. The working class consumes 99% of the end product of economic production(consumer goods). By taking wealth from the capitalists and spending it, you are simply increasing prices for consumer goods. The working class will not benefit whatsoever from this. Marxists rage fucking hard when these undeniable facts are laid out to them but it's the truth. Money does not equal resources, it's just a tool to facilitate trade. >but I also want to hang them afterwards. Don't worry, this will never happen. You commies however will get free helicopter rides.
Mason Hernandez
>lol usa had no war on their land Bruh they were recovering from the great depression and the dust bowl. I'm saying after the war their living standards increased more than they ever did in their entire history. All because they dramatically cut taxes, spending and regulations. The opposite of what the USSR did.
>some private control I do admit farms where privatized and that Lenin failed to to make comparable, but don't you believe that if the ones who benefited the most from a previous system who then where going to benefit less would rebel against the new system, especially if they are not compensated enough for their work as they were before. This was the problem for early communism but Stalin failed to replace the farmers with well educated agriculturist. I don't see how farmers can never work in communism, it is just USSR failed to make it work. But this isn't true for all Communism, Cuba for example found a way to give there farmers incentive to do a good job.
>other natural resources can you eat those resources, plus didn't I discredit the USSR starving talking point here> least capitalist places i don't know if that it is true, nothing says a market is more free then being able to have slaves, which is only a thing in capitalist countries like Haiti or in Libya. The states are just propaganda hoinestly when in somalia you can kill what ever Ryno you want, this map just shows the rich and how, like it is only 50 countries long and I know they take into account the viability of acquiring a loan for your company.
>again a rich person doesn't want to live in slums so he pays his American workers more than his Vietnamese workers, because he know his American employ can vote his boss being taxed more. >Marginal utility Marginal utility is the additional satisfaction a consumer gains from consuming one more unit of a good or service. what the fuck are you taking about, I'm saying the CEO takes most of the money from a products sales and give their employees a fixed income that is no where near theirs.
>public schools are owned by the capitalist government ye, that's why they feed pro capitalist propaganda, haven't you heard of the Red Scare?
>an ideology that's responsible for countless people dying Capitalism?
Jayden King
>look at all of these people that have been killed by governments and government intervention in the economy >clearly private control of the means of production is to blame for this >therefore we need MORE government control of the economy
>rekt commies in debate lol epic, bet you make daddy Ben Shapiro proud!
>genetics, instinct to retard camp with this reply
>Economy doesn't affect humans as much as Marx says this is where I disagree with you no matter what,because the root of all action comes from economic flexibility, you can;t buy a car if you have no money therefore you will never drive. It is even hard to get pussy if you lack the cash, I know what will help your argument! If you give an example of one action that cannot be restricted by economic status, because I for one cannot think of one.
I would love to do more of this guys but it is 4am for me and I have class tomorrow! I NEED TO SLEEP! if I see another thread thats at all allows me to mention communist I hope you guys will return with discussion. even though you felt as if it was an argument this truly did make my day, and helped me find better counter points to Capitalist propaganda, hope to see you comrades tomorrow!
The thing is, whenever a dictator does bad things under capitalism, we blame it on the dictator, but if the dictator calls himself communist, we blame it on communism.
Michael Carter
>I do admit farms where privatized and that Lenin failed to to make comparable not only that but it was this way for the majority of the ussr's existence
>I don't see how farmers can never work in communism, it is just USSR failed to make it work. Central planning doesn't work period. Look up the "economic calculation problem" for reasons why central planning fails.
>Cuba for example found a way to give there farmers incentive to do a good job. Yet they were still a poverty stricken shithole compared to more capitalist countries.
>can you eat those resources No but you could farm on the land in these countries which was my main point. Communism had all of this farmland and yet millions starved.
>i don't know if that it is true It's absolutely true. The government heavily intervenes in the economies of these countries, private business is suppressed. Either that or a few small firms at the top get government contracts while the rest of the market is shut out by the state.
>nothing says a market is more free then being able to have slaves AHAHHAHAHAHA What the fucking shit is this? Slavery is completely opposed to the free market? Why are you just lying?
>Haiti or in Libya heritage.org/index/country/haiti 143rd most economically free country on earth. It's extremely impossible to open up a business here and trade and property rights are suppressed. heritage.org/index/country/libya This country is so low on economic freedom that it's not even fucking ranked. >when in somalia you can kill what ever Ryno you want What does this have to do with anything?
Ryder Foster
>I'm saying the CEO takes most of the money from a products sales and give their employees a fixed income that is no where near theirs. The CEO pays his workers the going market rate for their work. If he paid them too much he would lose money and his competitors would take his market share. If he paid them too little, the workers will go somewhere else. This is a very simple concept, it's how the labour market works. ALSO, if the workers got all of the money the firm makes instead of the CEO and went to go spend this money it would simply result in massive price increases. Why? Because the working class already gets 99% of consumer goods. What more can you get than virtually everything?
>ye, that's why they feed pro capitalist propaganda But they don't you brainlet. They spew how the new deal and government intervention is a good idea.
>haven't you heard of the Red Scare? This was decades ago. Also, McCarthy did nothing wrong.
Joseph Clark
>muh ben shapiro He's a conservacuck with basic arguments but he still manages to btfo commies. That's how easy it is lmao
>to retard camp with this reply Are you denying genetics and instincts play a large role in determinine human behavior? You're not this retarded are you?
>because the root of all action comes from economic flexibility No it doesn't lol. The root of human action is genetic instincts. Economics and society play a secondary role.
>If you give an example of one action that cannot be restricted by economic status Give me an example of one action that cannot be restricted by human instinct. Also all you are saying is "economic forces have the ability to limit human action", you're not proving that economic forces determine human action. lol
>Capitalist propaganda Seeing how you were too stupid to counter any of the arguments within this thread makes me extremely happy. Communists are fucking retarded and actually desire their own enslavement.
>hope to see you comrades tomorrow! >t. helicopter fuel
Zachary Rivera
>Disabled neet I'm willing to bet that you're disability is that you're fat.
Gabriel Bennett
>whenever a dictator does bad things under capitalism, we blame it on the dictator, But this by definition is not capitalism. Capitalism(a free market) by definition means the economy and society is left alone. If a dictator uses brutal economic interventionist methods to get what he wants and it causes a genocide then this obviously wasn't a free market.
Socialists however EMBRACE government control of the economy so all of the bad shit that happens in these countries is INDEED the fault of socialism.
These are my posts. I'm going to bed now. Have fun talking into the wind.
Brandon Lee
> Anyone else feel this way? I'm done with everything, I want to become a communist, everyone should be equal finacially. Watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=f9p20dxtTkY and feel. It's filmed by an American official so it's no propanganda. If you feel it's comfy then naturally you've communist inclination, if no then it's not for you.
Liam Roberts
The concept of 'voting for/ against ones interests' seems absurd to me as you should be voting for the best outcome for your country and its people, not for oneself - furthermore consideration has to be taken as to how one candidate or the other will affect future generations (though this may be marginal especially in the US, as former UK prime minister Harold Wilson pointed out it can be particularly hard for presidents to pass legislation even if they are near impossible to expel from their position). I find current political parties to be much like the state of current hip-hop; bland, overly homogeneous and rapidly dying out due to exhaustion of new concepts/ material despite being trendy towards the youth.
On another note used to be obsessed with communism as a youth and still are affected by a great amount of Titoist ideals to this day, also the concept of the 'New Soviet Man' is something that I seek to largely live up to; however at the end of the day reality penetrates hard, not merely in the state of competition though in the fact that you simply cannot encroach on people's lives and make a difference by force without a degree of totalitarianism. I'm in favour of eliminating ideology altogether in favour of a political system w/ no parties, merely direct democracy as it'd give the greatest representation of the people's will in this day and age. Also even wages as ideal as they are, are not a good idea. The average worker frankly is pathetic compared with their East Asian and Indian counterparts; they lack ambition, they lack passion, they lack vitality and for that aren't worthy of an equal wage compared to those that try. One of the worst issues in the NHS is staff mountain work-after-work on those who try whilst sitting with a bone in their ass doing nothing, why should the hard-worker be penalized for the other's latency?
Feel free to disagree though humanity needs to change a lot before we can even begin trusting each-other.
How does your response make any sense in your head? In a communist government, the government is responsible for everything since the power is centralized. In a capitalist society, you're responsible for your own well being. In the west, we have social programs for the poor but able bodied people are responsible for themselves. >Power to the worker by giving me all of the power Fuck off, I'm going to eat now.
Jace Barnes
That's envy homie. You wsnt the rich to be poor like you.
Easton Harris
The ruling class is trying to divide the working class using racist and bourgeoise propaganda to keep you from realizing how they accumulate ungodly amounts of wealth while the workers are basically getting fucked to maximise profit. You will probably never become rich and will stay a wagecuck until you die, so better start reading about how to establish a bette society wich is possible! Try reading Lenin`s "what is to be done?" or the communist manifesto first and you will getter a better understatement of what socialism actually means.
Logan Allen
>china doesn't have a great agriculture scene So this is the power of the left
Matthew Garcia
>depressed losers who outcast themselves from society want a say in how society is run good thread, OP
Friendly reminder that every square on the political compass deserves hefty amounts of genocide.
Bentley Butler
>blah blah blah red banner blah equality blah actually gets sent to gulag instead /thread
Samuel Clark
Communism forces you to work or starve to death. Who would want to live under that system. At least in capitalism I can be a neet.
Adam Powell
op you are double retarded. i hate rich people too but its not to become a communist or anything
Brayden Scott
If you don't want to work then capitalism would be a better choice. In soviet, if you cannot even be NEET, there's a lot of jobs and community's activities. If you have no job, people around you would come to your house everyday just to ask what's the problem, blah blah
