>Approximately a year and a half ago, this man messaged me on a free dating site. I didn't think we had much in common after reading his profile. However, I decided to talk with him. We would send each other a long, in-depth, letter-length message each night. He presented himself as a mature, respectful individual. My first red flag was when he told me that he didn't want children. I do not want children and made that clear on my profile. However, his profile stated that he was undecided and open to having children. Right off the bat, it seemed like he was trying to say what I wanted to hear.
>Before meeting, I decided to google him. I found his YouTube account. He hadn't posted his own content, but all his liked videos and subscriptions were viewable. He was a huge fan of Milo Yiannopoulos. He's pretty irrelevant now, if you haven't heard of him, he's best known for his extreme misogyny. An attention seeker who tries to cause outrage and gain support of people who don't know how to think for themselves. I am definitely more progressive than not, but definitely not really on the complete far-left, but this stuff was despicable. He really seemed to enjoy the lectures about women. Some of the videos he liked involved discussions about how women are trying to ruin men's lives. There was also a Gavin McInnes rant in there, about how the female Ghostbusters were ridiculous because women are weak and afraid of ghosts, which is good because men like when they get to protect women.
>I almost stopped talking to him at this point, but I didn't. After about a month, we decided to meet. Immediately I got the feeling that he wasn't attracted to me. I also noticed that he just seemed to be going through the motions. Saying and doing what he thought was expected of him. I never felt any emotion behind anything that he said. I didn't think we would go on another date. Before we parted ways, he gave me a gift. He drew a picture of my favorite fictional characters, as well as a letter telling me how much I meant to him and how I give him hope. I found out later that he brings elaborate gifts for all women on first dates. Right away, it's like he was completely lovebombing me. He told me he loved me through text message after our SECOND DATE. He didn't even know me, and I told him so. Everything he said and did was tailored to my preferences. If I ever disagreed with anything he said, he would suddenly change his opinion.
>I learned that he had "bad luck" with women. He was desperately searching for someone to be with. He posted ads on Reddit looking for someone. He even posted ads on Craigslist looking for a woman. The fact that he was looking so diligently for someone yet didn't find anyone should have been a huge red flag. Honestly though, it made me like him more because I tend to be attracted to lonelier people without much relationship experience, as strange as that may sound. I am an odd duck, and I appreciate other odd ducks. I thought it showed that he wasn't willing to settle for just anyone.
Landon Cook
>We were texting each other one night, and the topic of physical intimacy came up. His exact words were "I don't support the idea of sex before marriage." At that point, I was sure I was going to end things. I wasn't so much concerned about the lack of sex, I was concerned that we were living in two completely different worlds. I let things continue between us because he treated me well on the surface, I felt happy. I told him everything about me. I completely opened myself up to this person. I felt comfortable around him. We had fun together. He said and did all the right things. Deep down though, a part of me knew it wouldn't last. Our outlooks on life were just too different. If it was up to him, we would have been married and living together as soon as possible. Almost like he was just doing it all for show. He mentioned before that all his friends are in relationships, and he feels like there is something wrong with him because he isn't. Trying to keep up with the other men his age. Growing up Catholic, he must have felt that getting married was something he had to do. Have you ever looked in someone's eyes and saw absolutely nothing? No emotion, just blank. That's what he was like. He could say he loved me, but there would be no emotion in his voice and just a blank expression in his eyes. I somehow ended up as a beard for an incel. You wouldn't think those two things go together, but here we are.
>His family and all family friends are very religious. To give you an idea of the type of people they are: his dad and dad's girlfriend had one of those Facebook frames around their pictures that said "I support Kavanaugh." They worship "the Donald" as they call him. These aren't the type of people who support Donald Trump because they think he will help small businesses or create a smaller government. Oh no. These are the people who see him as their religious, sexist champion.
Jackson Johnson
>had a gf not an incel
Blake Cook
>They have a family friend whose Facebook is filled with religious bullshit. He posted a news story about two lesbians being denied housing. His response was "what they should be worried about is being denied a place in the kingdom of God!" His daughter-in-law posts such gems as, "if you support abortion you hate babies! Don't even talk to me or my son!" Not an exaggeration, that's exactly what was said. And the incel I am speaking of likes these posts. These are the people that he goes to for advice on absolutely everything. You almost want to feel bad for him because it's like he never even had a chance at being well-adjusted. He discussed with his dad's girlfriend what sex acts are able to be done outside of marriage. That is just appalling to me. He told me that he went to a job interview where he was competing for a job with one other woman. He never heard back from the employer, so he called them and there was some confusion on the other end about who he was. He said "I guess I'm not being considered." And hung up the phone like a child. His dad told him that "she just got the job because she's a pretty girl." Perhaps she was more qualified? Perhaps she didn't give off the vibe of dishonesty that radiates from you? I noticed that he isn't even comfortable around his own family. He always seems on edge. I know a lot of this is because of the horrible environment he grew up in. It also explains why he was so uncomfortable being truthful about himself. I always made it very clear that I don't care what he says, as long as it's the truth. I assured him that I knew we had a lot of differences, but I wouldn't be judgmental or upset about the differences. As long as he would be honest about who he was.
Dominic Miller
also redditor and never visited Jow Forums probably.
Evan Stewart
>I mentioned before that he told me that he doesn't support sex before marriage. It seemed like a big deal at first, but I was willing to respect that. I later find out that the furthest he had ever went with a woman was a kiss. A peck on the lips kind of kiss. Keep in mind, he is 34 years old. Again, I thought that was wonderful. Despite the red flags that were going up, I thought it was great that he didn't just settle for anything and had standards for a relationship. I learned that the lack of intimacy was only partly a choice, but more of him being unable to hold a steady relationship. Apparently, he had never even masturbated until he was 26 years old. He was made to feel such shame and his sexuality was so repressed, that I am not sure if he will ever be able to feel sexual attraction towards humans. I mentioned before that I got the feeling he didn't feel physically attracted to me. In fact, that was my very first thought when he told me that he was waiting until marriage to have sex. When I expressed concern about feeling as though he was not physically attracted to me, he told me that I am actually the first woman he has felt physical attraction towards. That wasn't reassuring. I later find out that he has a fetish. A few years ago, he used to draw furry art. He would draw muscular, anthropomorphic girls. He claims he isn't into the furry aspect, just the muscles, though that is most likely a lie. He is only aroused by cartoons of ultra-muscular women. He enjoys the images and videos that show a transformation. Like, an average sized woman being injected with hormones and blowing up into the bodybuilder type of physique. This isn't casual porn viewing, this is a full-blown addiction for him. Quite an interesting fetish for someone who believes women are supposed to be weak and submissive. It suddenly all came together and started to make sense.
Oliver Bailey
>This is why I felt he wasn't attracted to me. We had discussed porn before, and his exact words were, "it is digital cheating." he drew the line. Porn is cheating. I was fine with it. I explained to him that I am fine with it if he wants to look at this stuff. He assured me that he hasn't looked at it since we had begun dating. Obviously it ended up being a lie. THAT is what bothered me. He already drew the line and said that porn was cheating. He crossed his own line and felt no remorse. Then I started receiving the "trickle truths." I don't know if you've ever experienced these, but it will drive you absolutely insane. For example: telling me the last time he watched something was a month ago. Then it became two weeks. Then it became yesterday. The story changed every day. He told me "you can even look at my YouTube history, none of it is there!" Turns out he was using other avenues for this stuff. The disrespect he showed to me by saying that is just sickening. Keep in mind, I told him repeatedly that if he still looks at this stuff, it was okay. As long as he was open with me about it and not completely hiding an entire sexual life separate from me. Eventually I got him to admit to me that he is more attracted to the cartoons than he is to me.
Jaxon Lewis
>Now I started to feel like this porn was no longer acceptable. It was obvious that it was an addiction by the way he felt the need to keep it from me. It was eating away at our relationship. I started to feel disgusted during any moments of physical intimacy. First, because I knew he was trying to manipulate me and thought of me as inferior because I am a woman. Also, because he straight up told me that he found cartoons more attractive than my body. That is the most ridiculous sentence. It really hurt though. I am a smaller woman, and I have a very feminine sort of figure. And I was flesh and blood. I was the complete opposite of these cartoons. I suggested that he start to wean himself off of these images. Try to learn and like my body. How disgusted I feel with myself now, begging someone to learn to be attracted to me. One night we were in bed, I told him I wasn't comfortable being physical with him because of the cartoons. He began spouting lies to try and get me to be intimate with him. He said he hasn't been looking at any of that stuff. That he changed his mind, he does find me attractive now. I don't have ability to type every lie, manipulation, and half-truth I received. So I am just going to say there were many more.
>He broke down in tears one night telling me that he will never lie to me again. Then he told me that after past women broke up with him, he started googling methods of suicide. I suppose that was his last effort at trying to manipulate me into sticking around. I comforted him at this point, because unfortunately, I did care for him. I ended up feeling very upset. He tried to spout more nonsense, and I was so fed up that I just say "OK" in an angry voice. That was all it took for him to get up and leave. One angry "OK." He couldn't handle someone being upset with him instead of showering him with praise. This is when his true colors really began to show.
James Hall
>He said he didn't think he could talk without crying. Called him and guess what? Not one ounce of emotion in his voice. I reminded him how he told me that he would never cut me off like that. We had this discussion before, it was something that was done to me in the past, and he promised he would never blindside me like that. I asked if he wanted to come see me and talk. He was hesitant because "I already told my dad we broke up, so it's awkward." Then he said, "I think it's a positive thing that we are willing to work this out." The whole reason he agreed to talk to me was because he thought I was going to take him back, no questions asked. I received no apology from him. Just excuses and blame. I would have been willing to work things out if he showed any signs of remorse for his actions. Of course he didn't. He took no responsibility for the constant lies that he bombarded me with. Instead of trying to make it better, he claimed that me leaving him was "God's will." He would rather BLAME GOD than take responsibility for his actions.
Noah Nelson
>That brings us to the last time we saw each other. We went to breakfast. It was obvious that he was being cold towards me. The waitress brought the check, and he seriously expected me to buy his breakfast. He said "you got it?" I told him "how about we split it?" That part of the story may not seem relevant, but it shows that he thought that I owed him something. We talked through text for a few more weeks, he never seemed to want to spend time together in person though. He never wanted to be near me when I was upset, he couldn't handle confrontation. He refused to even pick up his stuff if I was there. I had to offer to leave it somewhere that I wouldn't be. We started arguing again. Found out that his addiction got even worse. He didn't seem to care about the trouble it was causing us. This 34 year old man chose cartoons over an actual relationship, and yet he wonders why women don't want to be with him. I was angry, so he cut me off again. This time permanently. He promised he wouldn't, but he lied about everything else, so why not this too? He automatically deleted all signs of me in his life. He was right back on his dating account right after, uploading new pictures. He even went through the effort to hide his profile.
Colton Rogers
>Early in our relationship, I noticed he wore a cross around his neck. I was looking at it the one day. I had made it very clear in the past that I would never judge him for his beliefs. He knew I wasn't religious, so he never wore the cross again after I noticed it. This is just one of the many examples of how he tried to portray himself as my "ideal person." I told him about a woman I saw out in public who was showing off her leg hair. He laughed pretty hard and seemed appalled. I just said something like "we finally found something we disagree on!" Not accusatory or upset. He automatically changed his outlook. Told me that he has no problem with body hair, he just thought the way I said it was funny. Instead of just admitting he didn't like body hair! I said that I wanted to cut my hair. He said "NO!" very outraged. Said he likes my long hair. Ok, fine. Any time I mentioned cutting my hair after that, he would tell me to do it. Said he "changed his mind." No, he was trying to say what he thought I wanted to hear. I brought up the topic of abortion because I wanted to know his opinion on it. He told me that he thought it should be the woman's decision. Later find out that he is very much against it. This is really important because if I ever did end up pregnant, I wouldn't keep it. This is something that you absolutely should not lie about in a relationship. Those Milo videos I found on his YouTube were still lurking in my brain, so I decided to get answers. We were together one day, and I played a Milo video that he had recently liked. I asked for his opinion. He was laughing at it the whole time and told me it was ridiculous. I let it go. A couple months pass, and I decide to tell him that I know he was lying. I asked why he watches that stuff. His first excuse? I ENJOY BRITISH ACCENTS. This moron straight up said he watched Milo just to HEAR HIM TALK. I actually laughed right in his face when he told me that.
Jordan Nelson
>This wasn't the only time I mentioned this subject, because it bothered me. Every time I asked, his excuse was different.
>Like most incels, he sees women as a collective group instead of individual people. He spent so much of his life alienated from the rest of the population, looking at cartoon porn, spending his free time on Jow Forums. Because of this, he has completely lost grip on reality. He is unable to think for himself, so he lets Jow Forums and people who are paid to cause outrage think for him. As much as it sucks to admit this to myself, I would have loved him through it, despite the complete mess of a person that he was. If he respected me and thought of me as an equal partner in life who deserves the truth, I would have stuck by his side no matter how screwed up he was. Of course I would never do such a thing now. I feel disgusted that I stayed with him for so long, but I also feel fortunate that I had the strength to leave. Leaving someone that you still want to be with is so hard. It absolutely destroyed me for a long time afterwards. It's a bizarre feeling, because I know that the person I fell in love with wasn't him at all. It was a completely fake person that he had created, tailored exactly to what I wanted. I can't even explain the pain that I experienced after ending the relationship. I've had longer and more serious relationships, but the pain of that one surpassed them all. It's like I was mourning the death of someone who never existed. Completely cutting me off truly did make it feel like he died, and that's exactly how I felt afterwards. The person I was in love with died. To know that he did this with the intention of hurting me is just unfathomable. It may seem foolish how hurt I was over a relationship that lasted less than a year. It's easy to type out all the lies and the red flags, but it's much harder to try and convey through text all the good parts. I truly did feel a connection with him. We were planning a future together.
Ian Diaz
tldr
What is it with foids writing novels about every little thing that happens to them
Luis Foster
>I know I should feel pity for this broken man, but I just can't. The way he treated me deserves scorn not pity. I take comfort knowing that my life has been looking brighter everyday since then, meanwhile he will always be miserable and broken. I know he has many problems. He even admitted that he struggles with anxiety and depression and he sees a therapist. The therapy hasn't done much good. He is so wrapped up in all the Red Pill nonsense that when someone actually cared about him, he couldn't believe it was real. He's unable to see women as equal partners, so he tries to manipulate them. Instead of admitting his shortcomings, he blames his misery on all women in the world.
I decided to check up on him recently for the first time in a long time. Looks like he is getting more angry and hateful towards women each day. He's really getting into the incel community, doesn't seem to realize that he has become the male version of the radical feminists that he hates so much. A lot of talk about how women are trying to take over and be dominant over men. How women are entitled and only want Chads. He is adamantly against the MeToo movement. Just horrible, degrading things. What could make this story worse? This guy was a teacher. He is not currently teaching, but the last I heard, he was still looking for another teaching job. An angry incel teaching children. Young women. What could possibly go wrong? I try not to think about it.
TL;DR - It was bad.
Ryan Howard
>completely unable to care about women's feelings >why don't women like meeeeee ;____;
Brayden Perez
and in greentext, they stupid I guess
Luis Hill
Is that the tldr, or are you accusing me of that
Jeremiah Bennett
Both, you mentally ill failures are all the same
Gabriel Moore
All toasties are mentally ill tho, robots are just bored. Took your bpd pills yet Samantha?
Easton Fisher
I dont really see a problem tough.
She says the biggest hangup is how he lied all the time about what he believes in. If he didnt lie she wouldnt be with him in the first place. Also i think the whole "i would have stayed with him if he was honest" gimmick is a total lie on his part. Here we have a incel that made a whole new personality just to please this grill and she didnt like that.
I feel like the whole story is a complete fabrication,hits all the tropes and lingo too accurately.
TL;DR is >wah wah this dude completely held me in the dark about his political,ideological and sexual stances instead of having the ones that I want him to have
Evan Kelly
why cant people just write a normal fucking story? every time i read a story in 2019 its FUCK DRUMPF LOL every 2nd paragraph
Brody Ramirez
>I feel like the whole story is a complete fabrication,hits all the tropes and lingo too accurately. This
