Why don't incels learn from their failures and modify their behavior accordingly?

Entitledness.
But me personally, I'm just too lazy and retarded despite wanting to.
Also I don't really want sex

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Also a very important one i forgot: STOP FAPPING, STOP WATCHING PORN

thjese things suck the manliness out of you. Youyr body loses the need to be charismatic when it thinks its fulfilling its purpose of birthing children

that personality stems from being abused for being defective.
didn't even stand a chance from the beginning

that gif is pretty based user

yeah my chad friendo gets laid because he doesn't watch porn. Dummy
Chads are the type of person to admit what they fap to in public. Nofap is a meme

lol the anti incel NPCs really don't know how to reply to this one

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The porn thing is probably true but only autists believe in nofap

Anecdotally it does work, but there might be deeper levels to it rather than just not nutting.

Placebo is a scientifically proven thing, also not nutting takes so much discipline that you can transfer that newfound skills to other areas of your life, improving your wellbeing and getting you out of your depression pit

Got the discipline to not nut for 30 days? Then why not throw in a daily gym session too! Then 30 mins of cardio, then cooking for yourself, then going to a socialising event, etc, etc...

we all lack discipline. Nofap is a big test of establishing it

Some people can watch porn and still function normally, some like me, can't.

Some people can't handle alcohol and become alcoholics, some like me, can.

Just because there's unbelievably attractive people in the world, doesn't mean you can't live a happy life. It's that self-defeating, ugly personality that is the main cause of incels

Sure you might have to have a less than attractive girlfriend, but you can still be happy with them. Love tends to develop even with people that you dont find absolutely stunning

You can live a happy life before crawling into your wooden box into the ground.. Just because you arent a marbled masterpiece. There's a spectrum of genetic superioty and only a tiny amount are at the top.

Hit the nail on the head. Many of us here will be chronic fappers. Nofap works for people who fap in an unhealthy way, which is the case for many of us here.

he just lacks self awareness/introspection and doesnt seem to want to look beyond his ego.

Are you fucking retarded? You're only as good as your face.

I never said that, reddit

yeah but thats the argument against it.
usually people know what their own mistakes were

but I will never be sure how exactly I did wrong nor will I get opportunities to do better

modifying your behavior doesn't do anything if you have a shit face. it's like trying to play a game with heavy requirements on your toaster pc, shit don't work buddy

Charisma does not matter. Money matters. Charisma doesnt let you retire early. Money does.

Theres tons of fugly guys with gfs tho

never seen it irl, where i live its all about your looks, money, and social status.

it must suck to not have any awareness.
on a sidenote, do you have anyone you could ask the difficult question of what your flaws are? family, friends , coworkers, anyone. if not you might start dating actively just to find that out

oh ok it's completely my fault, sure I'm no chad so ofc they would reject me
>you could ask the difficult question of what your flaws are?
I have no one to ask that but my parents.
my mom just says I spend too much time infront of the computer which is true lol
also I behave differently among them than I do outside in the real world

I see thousands of people every day since I work in a historic site thats popular with tourists. I see tons of fugly guys with gfs every day

if you're that desperate and value pussy that much, just move somewhere else then, faggot.

So you're telling me incels are socially gifted and the reason why they can't get laid is because they don't have goals and ambitions?
>just make a list bro
is the most retarded thing I've read here yet

This is guessing around blindly based on what your insecurities say about you.
>oh the reason why I don't have a gf is because I don't meditate enough!
I don't think even you buy this shit.

So I get that the only way you people can deal with anything in life is to treat it like some sort of systematic video game autism. You have my pity.

judging by our first sentence, you might have a vague idea why they rejected you.
>also I behave differently among them than I do outside in the real world
you might get rejected because of fakeness?

Honestly, I just think that incels are absolutely pathetic because they lack the self-awareness to take responsibility for what they do and for the fact that most of them are just shit people that are misogynistic cunts that think that pussy is all there is to life.

Ok, fuck off reddit you don't know anything about me.
First you tell me to reflect on myself and do better and now you say I got rejected because of my fakeness.
How am I supposed to know? I will never get a definite answer.

my suggestions were merely "maybe"s
My intention with poking you was to get something out of you because, honestly, even though I don't know what exactly your flaw is I believe you are actually aware of it, you simply don't want to face it.
That's almost always the case, unless you're below 90 iq or something

you get pissy quickly, maybe that's it

Do you shout OMG BASED YIKES CRINGE in real life? Clearly you do, since you believe people act the same way irl as on the internet.

>He should just know
>But how?
>I don't know, you should just know

As per usual, no answers.

The internet persona is a honest caricature of your real one, especially in anonymous threads on Jow Forums
judging (only) by this thread, you're a defensive jerk without self awareness, unless you were "just pretending lol"

You don't even know who you're talking to. Truly I cannot argue with someone who unironically believes everything he reads on the internet.

Buddy don't let a bunch of sociopaths from reddit who live life on assist difficulty eat at you. To get even to where I am was a difficult process not easily replicated. You can do the same. It would be best though if you surrounded yourself with more positive support outside this place though. Also when it comes to women try going overseas. The incel problem is 90% of the time a Western woman problem and is not a reflection of domething wrong with you personally.

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>So I get that the only way you people can deal with anything in life is to treat it like some sort of systematic video game autism

Negative, this is just the regular advice that incels receive from normal people, that the ticket out of virginity is self-improvement. That's all he's talking about there; improve your body, mind and spirit, clean up your image and habits, become a paragon of virtue, and when you are an apex human, then and only then will a woman deign to fuck you.

This is the kind of advice that feels good to give. The issue is that anyone who actually knows men who have girlfriends/wives/fuckbuddies really needs to take a second, before giving self-improvement advice, to ask themselves how closely those "successful" men match the image of what they're trying to sell. I know such men. They're not all paragons of virtue. Yet they get laid. Why?

It seems the answer must be that even if self-improvement would be helpful, and I'm sure it is, it must not be what is essential.

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the fact that he doesn't know is the fucking problem you brainlet.
People should be able to detect their flaws, especially when they made mistakes, themselves without getting fed by others. It's called having self awareness and that's most likely why he gets blocked by girls, not even the flaw he has, just that he was too stubborn to realize what it was

>Truly I cannot argue with someone who unironically believes everything he reads on the internet.
as I said, judging only by this thread, you dont even get that those were just suggestions by me and the other guy. Maybe you really are just acting here because for fuck what reason but that doesn't make any sense since your question was what your flaw is and this thread is about talking honestly about yourself.
Or you're just trolling

>People should be able to detect their flaws

According to who, you?

You do see how lazy and self-serving this logic is for you, right? That the problem is something he should just "know" and if he claims he can't then the only possible answer is that he hasn't tried hard enough? No incel needs advice from someone who has no clue what success is or how it functions.

how can people fix what they don't know about

you lose a game, you lose a sport's game, you fail a test. All of those make sure you know exactly why you lose and what you need to improve on, it's not the same with romance. Even if you take people's word for it and admit it's your fault you'll never know why.

I did learn from my mistakes and became a volcel

Life is so much more straightforward and satisfying now that i dont worry about women or what they think

Because they're fucking dumb.

You're unironically justifying lack of being able to sort shit out by yourself let alone detect mistakes and call others failures.
This post was purely made as a poor counter.
>how lazy and self-serving this logic is for you
irony
If you don't have the self awareness to act on personal mistakes you're just fucking dumb, that's how it is, not subjective logic. Don't blame people for not spoonfeeding you.
For brainlets who dont know how this works maybe: Just do the opposite of what you did before, write the behaviour of your mate and re-analyze it maybe even in contrast with other notes of the last case
maybe that ' ll help you, you autist

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ok then riddle me this reddit:
>make out with girl on first date
>she comes up with ideas for 2nd date
>"sure why not"
>few days later she tells me she isnt interested anymore
>"oh ok"

different girl:
>lose my virginity to her on the first date
>I dont tell her
>a few days later she says she doesnt want to see me anymore even though we had a good time and kissed before I left her house

different girl:
>actually have a 2nd date with her
>end up holding hands
>message her a few times afterwards
>want to ask her for 3rd date
>blocked out of nowhere

consider yourself lucky that I even reply to your bait

Humans can't change.
Just like the only reason I ever lost weight in the first place was because I thought I'd get pussy in college.
Then I realized I wouldn't.
And I got fat again.

there is a lack of info on the cases but k
how/where did you pick them up?
would you rate your looks?

>changing what doesn't work is stupid! lmao XD

Not the guy you're replying to/I just clicked here, but this is easy to answer:

>make out with girl on first date
>few days later she tells me she isnt interested anymore
You expressed confusion as to why she didn't want the second date by justifying how well the first date went owing to making out.

Conclusion: you didn't get together with her because of shared values/you never found shared values, or your confusion would've included that. You 12-year-olds never get together with people for the right reasons.

>lose my virginity to her on the first date
>a few days later she says she doesnt want to see me anymore even though we had a good time and kissed before I left her house
See above; same shit.

>different girl:
See above; same shit.

Why do people feel confusion when they couldn't even establish shared values with someone (and probably never sought them to begin with)? LMAO

Can't wait for you to do your mental gymnastics and avoid my point or move goalposts or beat around the bush.

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thats not really enough
what was your general behaviour of her, of you?
what were the circumstances?
Also if those were just girls you had from tindr or an equivalent then it's no wonder it went like this. Even gigachads dont get much more than 4 dates on average out of tinder

This was last year when I spent alot of time on tinder since I had enough of never having had anything to do with women.
I was a bit awkward at times since I wasn't used to it but then again I was a more or less succesful with the women I got to meet up with.
We usually met up in the city somewhere to visit some place (museum, gallery, bar)
I'd say I'm a 6/10 on a good day but I have a bit of a lazy eye when I don't look someone else in the eyes.
My guess is that there's just much more better looking guys on tinder who aren't inexperienced and beta

regardless of the conversation that's some nice loli

The reason I don't believe loli should count as cp is because real young girls' bodies aren't that shapely.

>You expressed confusion as to why she didn't want the second date
I didn't express anything I just stopped writing her because I knew she wouldn't give me an answer to that and I didn't want to seem creepy/needy.
What values am I supposed to share with your average normie girl?
Besides that I made them laugh and display affection. Call me autistic but I don't understand.

I was slightly nervous at first but that quickly went away. I don't remember some of the details since all of that happened a year ago.
Havent tried tinder ever since and I'm scared to ask out random girls on my commute to uni in a crowded bus in the morning.

> (You)
>So you're telling me incels are socially gifted and the reason why they can't get laid is because they don't have goals and ambitions?
i have absolutely no idea where you got that conclusion from what i said. i think you might be broken.

>tinder
as expected
I got matches on tinder too that hopped off after a few weeks. You'd need the charisma of george clooney to keep a tinder gf for more than a week without them getting bored. I know they write "not a hookup one" in the description.
Maybe they just search through tindr to get the right one and that means they will walk over dozens of broken hearts they didn't immideatly love.
shortform: Consider yourself lucky, you dont seem to be the problem, you just put too much hope into tinder

>I didn't express anything I just stopped writing her because I knew she wouldn't give me an answer to that and I didn't want to seem creepy/needy
I meant you expressed confusion here, in this thread. With that knowledge, re-read my post and it'll make sense. The implication was you shouldn't have been confused over the intentions of someone whose values you do not share and of someone whose values were never the basis of your time with her.

>What values am I supposed to share with your average normie girl?
Thanks for the concession - you weren't even attempting to form a relationship based on shared values. I'm not telling you to share values with them - I'm telling you an actual relationship is supposed to be based on shared values, you 12-year-old.
>Besides that I made them laugh and display affection. Call me autistic but I don't understand.
Laughing and displays of affection aren't shared values.

Anyway, thanks for proving me right.

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>tinder girls
Is it really that bad? They looked and seemed to be pretty normal to me and not like the slutty type

>What values am I supposed to share with your average normie girl?
whatever you got. Stop pretending they aren't real because they dont show off 4chantier values. In the end they perceive you the same way for not saying that kinda stuff. Just break the ice.
>Havent tried tinder ever since and I'm scared to ask out random girls on my commute to uni in a crowded bus in the morning
unironically do it. Asking irl will get you better results than a tinder match. Also going out to a girl in reality is seen as pretty masculine and attractive. You just have to start with smalltalk and get to the point slowly

I guess that means I'm not meant to exist in this world and I can finally stop feeling bad about being unsuccesful. Thanks for proving me right.
But then again I don't remembert them ever talking about values aside from questions like what I'm working/studying/doing on tinder.

>Is it really that bad? They looked and seemed to be pretty normal to me and not like the slutty typ
yeah it is. They aren't sluts, but a dating app just doesn't exactly make them motivated for settling or something serious.

your mistake was quitting after a fwe attempts

ive met fantastic partners and subsequent lifelong friends on tinder. the experiences are random as fuck, but that's kinda the point.

keep the first dates short, and then judge for yourself who is worth spending more of your time with.

there's no "type" of girl that uses tinder. fucking EVERY type of girl is using it. if you can't get along with people or be comfortable with women, it's your own fault.

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90% of tinder girls are just closeted friend seekers and not relationshipseekers like the app intended, don't kid yourself

I can consider myself lucky if I get a date with a single woman in the first place, I'm not attractive enough to be picky

>But then again I don't remembert them ever talking about values aside from questions like what I'm working/studying/doing on tinder.
maybe that's because people don't talk frankly like that until they know each other a little better, you fucking autistic moron. they start with trivialities and ramp up toward conversations that necessitate vulnerability. why don't you spend some more time observing your surroundings before subjecting yourself to dating?

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it sounds more like 90% of the girls you meet on tinder aren't sexually attracted to you.

Well, if you're acknowledging that I'm right in placing importance in shared values, start by getting off of Tinder as it's meant for value-less whores. They're for fast sex and for watching when they go into porn, not value-based relationships.

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always got an excuse for girls being pretentious cunts

HAHAHAHA GOTEEEEM

cest la vie, bro. its a numbers game even for a more experienced/attractive man. its work. keep at it don't sweat

Just take these guys advice and be a sociopath. DUH.

"Shared values" ROFL. These guys are just fucking with you dude

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Well I never got more than a 2nd date so ofcourse I can't get to know them better.

>why don't you spend some more time observing your surroundings
like how? youtube? spy on people like an autist?

sorry I was replying to this >

Well maybe you're right I don't know who these people are

looks like you always have an excuse too, bitch

>>why don't you spend some more time observing your surroundings
>like how? youtube? spy on people like an autist?
be more attentive during your own interactions with people in general

>Why don't incels learn from their failures and modify their behavior accordingly?
Why don't women beat men in boxing user?

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oh you done and did it now boss

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biology? so the y chromosome is essentially a learning disability?

Low intellect is the disability of incels

Check these digits though. Orgiorg

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Speaking of the y chromosome and intellect, male IQs are more variant than female. Males overrepresent IQs less than 95 and IQs greater than 115. This is due to the high stakes mating game for males, so the y chromosome essentially rolls the dice for genetic diversity. It's also why males are 400% more likely to have autism.

it's an issue with self esteem.

My mental state is shit when I'm around people for seemingly no reason. I get bored, start sighing all the time and generally am not able to hold normie conversation with even just other guys. Can't adapt if I can't control how I feel.
No idea why, if I wish I could get a fucking grip.

try asking questions. it forces you to forget yourself a little bit and focus attention outward.

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just stop being ugly guys!! :)

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