The infintismal and meanginglessness of life

>Emergent yes
>Significant no
Your feelings are stress drivers, which are a significant part of who you are. Us being natural are a significant part of a process we don't understand yet.

Your relativistic take on significance is weak at best. Everything is important to how our Universe evolves, for the totality of it's energy is in motion. If even one part were out of place, one atom. The whole thing could be set towards cascading failure.

Good discussions, anons; good op, op. There is something important in all of this. As another user pointed out, size and length of existence may not indicate importance. There is something that's important. Its inside there. The thing that could have emerged and taken on a whole role in our lives if it had been allowed to. But it died inside. The environment did not allow it to exist. And that was all due to bad luck and our physical smallness, an effect of our universe like op was talking about. But there's also another reason.

Insignificant in the total result of the universe is how I feel, I see humanity and earths ecosystem in the same light. Size does not matter in terms of personal significance maybe, but it does to the evolution and change of the universe. In that regard, we are nothing, no impact. So life feels meaningless, even if our brief existence contributes in some way it is so infinitesimal in its impact that its easily over shadowed by everything else going on. Like a pixel of that photograph, it is making the image but who bothers to examine each pixel? No far flung civilization will ever know of us so nothing we do matters nor can we create anything that exceeds time as we are want to do with our statues and recordings.

This is not my first existential crisis and far from my last. This just clarified the inconsequential nature of our existence.

What is this thing you speak of? You sound like you're talking about a soul or divinity. Species have died the world over around 7 times, extinction events caused by climates and asteroids, killing a majority of species. Without those we wouldn't be here in the way we are. So follows another extinction event will probably wipe us out, long before the earths oceans boil from the suns expansion.

Again, just a footnote at best, forgotten with no remnants at worst.

In fact, all of life its self is a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a fraction of everything that will happen. We wont impact it , and we will never experience it. So why do anything at all other than what makes you happy.

>Inconsequential
>Insignificant.
This only confirmed your own view, while it also didn't. As it was only your own view of the situation. Standing on a Mountain makes the town below feel small. Arrogance, is the cause of anything that stems from that perception claiming the town is small. Not intelligence. An intelligent person learns to use perception to understand complex systems. Not get all nihilistic about shit.

I never got what an "existential crisis" is. I think I've I had one or two. But they were largely retarded and I sorted my shit in a day or two. What most people lack here, is motion of perceptions. And Wisdom.

exactly, do what you want as it matters to noone except you

The whole movie is just retarded music with people saying retarded shit that sounds smart but really is not that is all playing to lame background pictures.

were the only things that matter in the universe. were the rarest anomaly and without us to see it, nothing else is real.

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Well, sure. But that is true of the other civilizations as well, no matter how large they are. In 10^10000000 years, everything will be gone for everyone. I think this article succinctly summarizes this notion and how it relates to the meaning of life, though: infidels.org/kiosk/article/death-and-the-meaning-of-life-55.html

If you are more open-minded to the possibility of there being empirical evidence in favor of the existence of an afterlife to make sense of our existence on this tiny planet in the middle of nowhere, I would recommend this article: digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc799144/m2/1/high_res_d/vol21-no1-5.pdf

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>what is this thing you speak of?
It is hard to put it in words without doing a diservice to it. But it has to do with our emotions. It is something every person feels inside, unless their sense of it was destroyed by negative and shaping experiences. It exceeds this discussion and many others (i think this discussion is important). The thing I'm talking about involves a tight bound with reality, but also a tight bound to ourselves and what we think is important. The idea of a 'soul' is based around our consciousness.

>bound
Bond

Also, everything you said about species becoming extinct and us being physically (and to the universe) insignifcant is true. That's the limitations of the random universe we came from. It doesn't care and it is incapable of doing so. Only we can do that. The pure power of a black hole is not what is ultimately good in the universe. What is good is only something consciousness can do. We've pushed back on nature because it does not care.

There are small things that exist for much longer than us, not just large things. It is not a question of size as it is space time. The existential crisis boils down to a lack of permanence and purpose that we use to structure our lives (people often talk of their lives in periods of events, goals completed, years, or memorable moments for example).

When all of this is rendered invisible by the scale, length, and complexity of the universe its easy to feel that regardless of what you do the result will be the same. Whether you cure a disease or masturbate in your basement all day, the world will spin on without you for the most part. Taken to the extremes of the universe, humanity and life itself are in the same boat where we may encourage some chemical reactions but entropy, dark matter, black holes will be the true masters of reality. That's what brings the feelings of impotence. Not even so arrogant to say that we are masters of reality, but the hope that ones existence could at least be remembered.

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Its a simulation based on a time scale, with descriptions of events that will happen. It's just as watchable on mute though if those do not facilitate thoughts for you. You only feel it's retarded because the events have no impact on your life. Similar to a post you'd TL;DR. You have to open yourself to experience time and space beyond your existence to get any value out of it.

This is not unique to humans, other life will experience the universe as well. Yet even the universe itself will evaporate into subatomic particles once more. So even all the we experience will be wiped away, anyone that could have existed to tell the tale or show recordings of reality wont have any matter to exist on.

Thanks for the recommendations. Not looking for proof of an afterlife, just always been interested in the interactions of spacetime on longer time scales.

The relationship with nature is a complicated one because we rely on her to exist. Without random mutations we wouldn't be here. But those mutations allowed us to push back and potentially destroy her, showing again that she doesn't care, even about herself, and is incapable of doing so. We have to try to escape the shackles of randomness.

Nature is incapable of caring, or at least it appears to be that way as interactions typically follow one another. I have no experience with this bond you speak of, and it seems you have said it died out anyway so I'm not sure if you're talking about multiple realities or dimensions or the supernatural.

But yes life will continue to change reality on a microscopic scale to fit their needs. Yet on a macroscopic scale, every trace of evidence of any life will be sucked away by the trillions of trillions of trillions of years black holes exist.

A morally bankrupt, silent, cold, and dark universe is how it will exist for most of its lifeline.

The period in which it hosts life, in terms of a human life scale, would be a child just exiting the womb and perhaps reaching a few days of age.

Life exists so rarely and briefly it could just as easily be mistaken for a strobe of light or a snap of a finger.

Nature created the very notion of caring. Warmth. Love. And the abstraction around it that drives people to think it is good.
Nature is the very essence of caring.

When a person truly comes to understand death, they won't have an existential crisis anymore. They realize there is no worry, or fear after death. It's the softest, kindest way. To help you let go. Otherwise you would just fall off a cliff, mess up your biology horrifically and just sit there until someone found you and healed you. Or you would be buried in agony by time.

>just always been interested in the interactions of spacetime on longer time scales

Alright ^^ Then you might probably also enjoy these videos if you have not already seen them:

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Kurzgesagt has some excellent videos on spacetime interactions with interjected philosophy, always enjoy those videos. Haven't heard of CrashCourse though. Added them both to my learning and wonder playlist. Thanks cuteposter.

No, humans created the notion of caring, warmth and love. Nature displays some of these characteristics in serene and calm environments we can experience, but there are also loud and terribly violent characteristics as well. Humans find the beauty and ugliness in things, because we analyze and look for patterns and associate those with positive, simple emotions like happiness and contentment, while we view disorder, chaos, and change with more exotic emotions like excitement or disgust.

I do not fear death, though I think it is natural to do so, and agree that it is (given the cause of death is not traumatic) a gentle way of letting the universe go from ones own perspective.

More so, the point I was trying to make in the OP and throughout this thread is not the finality of life, but the contents of life itself, our society, our modernity, might as well have never existed at all and the impact would be indecipherable to an outside observer. Like we have no knowledge of a particular ant hive with its society and structure after being wiped away by a rainfall or flood.

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Nature created caring. Nature the essence of caring...? If we found some way to destroy the entire universe, would anti-nature be the essence of nature?

This is why our human definitions and experiences are important. If we are nature itself, then we are the universe's greatest random creation, whether it destroys us with its random might or not. If we choose to separate ourselves from it, it should be clear that we should view ourselves as being far superior. A black hole is about as valuable as a rock when it comes to consciousness. And we usually consider ourselves superior to a rock. We just don't have the physical power that othrt giant objects in the universe possess.

A human body is much weaker than a boulder.

>Humans created caring.
That is wrong, caring arose from far before humans. It was chemical in nature and helped with, nest preservation, pack relationships, etc.

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By the way, I just want to ask you, in light of what you said here:

>More so, the point I was trying to make in the OP and throughout this thread is not the finality of life, but the contents of life itself, our society, our modernity, might as well have never existed at all and the impact would be indecipherable to an outside observer. Like we have no knowledge of a particular ant hive with its society and structure after being wiped away by a rainfall or flood.

Let us say that humanity will last at least until our sun ends the solar system ~5 billion years from now. On such a time scale, do you think it is at all important to become an important famous person? I mean, we are literally at a time in which many ideas and deeds can still be invented or be done, and entering the history books now is not at all hard compared to what it will be 10000 years from now.

Or do you take a more kind of "none of this will matter 10^25 years from now, so it is deeply irrelevant either way" kind of approach?

What I am essentially asking is, if you could enter the history books, would you find it worth the effort to do so? Feel free to elaborate at length in your reply, I would be interested to hear your thoughts, since you seem capable of understanding the gravity of large timespans.

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My idea of what we should do is to do what we can now to please ourselves, push back on nature (extend our lifespans, for example) and strive to make morality flourish.

The flipside about your point of everything being insignificant is that we can do whatever we want, given the ability. I don't believe that though. I think morality should drive and restrain us.

I agree that "caring" is based around chemicals and thought processes regarding survival, but that was an early prototype of caring compared to what we have now, just as what we have now might be a prototype of caring that may exist in future.

>It's a prototype
It's not. It's the same old chemical, and it works.
Our abstraction of what it means is the prototype. How we utilize it in our lives. But it definitively came from nature.

Our behavior and how we thought about it is the prototype. The instinctual drive is what has stayed the same.

Cont.

Did not realize I essentially repeated your post. I agree with what you said

No problem user. Happens all the time.